Noodels on KH frame?

what exactly is a noodel

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those new little tubes on the new kh frames

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Does anyone even have the new frame yet?

David

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total uni said:

*i have heard that the noodels break off easy? is that true? *

From whom did you hear this? I don't think there are many of these
frames out in the field yet, so it seems unlikely. If they were really
breaky, Kris would have done something different on the design.

But we will see...

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i dont think you should be worried about it. to me it looks like the
frame is well made. the only things i would worry about breaking (on the
hole Uni). would be the cranks and hubs because in my opinion they take
the most stress and also the pedals. unless you have profile?

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they dont look that skinny?

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the 2004 frame looks like it might brake more then the 2005

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drewation said:

*the 2004 frame looks like it might brake more then the 2005 *

what-ever dude

none of them ever did and i would have heard about it by now if there
was one that broke...they are made of steel, these newer aluminum frames
are the ones to worry about. also, if the bearing caps are Aluminum too
then everyone doing trials sould ask if you can get replacement caps
since one over shot crank grab onto the cap and its "cracksville"

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Hi,

I bought a KH Pro Trials frame in September, and that thing has
withstood the beatings. There are a few scratches, but it hasn't
broken. I'll be using it for a few years, before I get another frame.

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sorry i didnt know the new ones were made from aluminum. i wasnt saying
that they would break i was saying that they might break. i still dont
think they would ever break since there are design to withstand huge
drops and such. plus i dont think that the frame takes that much of the
wieght its mostly the cranks and hubs. i made a wakeboard pole out of
aluminum and it hasent broke yet so i dont think its anything to be
worried about. 🙂

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i have enough money to buy the new one but i dont want it. i am going to
get the 2004 one. I know looks don't really matter but i think the new
kh frames looks stupid. does anyone know if it is available in anything
other than blue too?

has anyone broken a 2004 model frame?

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ive seen a orange one on unicycle.com 😄

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Are the bottom bearing caps made of aluminum? That would seem risky on a
frame designed for the abuse of people like the ones on this forum. At
least on a Trials frame I would expect an aluminum bearing cap to take
too much beating, and be exposed to a lot of potential grinding or
otherwise abuse to grind it away over time.

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johnfoss said:

*Are the bottom bearing caps made of aluminum? That would seem risky
on a frame designed for the abuse of people like the ones on this
forum. *

i dont know yet, thats why i brought it up...i'll find out soon though

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johnfoss said:

*...At least on a Trials frame I would expect an aluminum bearing cap
to take too much beating, and be exposed to a lot of potential
grinding or otherwise abuse to grind it away over time. *

With recent developments in frame, hub and crank design, surely
someone's built a beefier bearing cap, no?

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Hi,

A lot of thought went into this frame and in my opinion it's by far the
best frame design now available. Here's some comments.

First, my priorities for the 2005 design:
1) Stronger
2) Stiffer
3) Lighter
4) Narrower fork crown.
5) Improved bearing housings

I'll address each of these in turn:

1) Stronger.

Properly heat-treated 7005 aluminum with the geometry used for the fork
crown and blades is super strong, redundantly strong in fact for the
forces generated during unicycle riding.

There's 1/3 more weld contact area in the fork crown compared to most
frame designs, due to the U-shaped reinforcement. With this combination
it's strongest frame available for the weight.

2) Stiffer

Larger diameter ovalized tubing makes these frames extremely stiff.
The U-shaped reinforcemnt extends reinforcement close to the brakemounts
which eliminates frame flex in the critical area where braking occurs on
the 24" and 700c frames.

The standard for frame stiffness and strength was actually set by the
requirements for the 700c frame, where the longer fork blades put a lot
more leverage on the frame. This makes it really, really stiff for the
KH20 frame with the shorter fork blades.

3) Lighter.

These frames are 30% lighter than the 2004 KH frames.

4) Narrower fork crown

Flat crown frames are great for one-foot tricks but they are a little
prone to knee bashing. Rounded forks eliminate this but then you have
nowhere to put your foot for one-foot tricks.

It makes for expensive manufacturing but the KH design combines the
advantages of both in an approach that also makes for a much stronger
fork crown.

As far as the "noodle" is concerned: Why all this talk about how it
looks? Fact is- if you glide on a 24" or 700c MUni frame, your foot on
the frame is scrunched up more than on a 20" and it helps a lot if you
have grips for control. Try this out and you'll see what I mean.

5) Improved bearing housings.

Bearing housing design actually makes a big difference to the life of
your bearings. The new bearing housings are CNC machined with ridges
on either side of the bearing surface, and the bolt-holes and housing
are one piece of metal for increased strength. The bolt holes are also
centered across the bearing surface, not the entire housing, to make
sure the bearing is supported properly.

As far as bearing housing durability goes:

First, a major point: Neither grinding nor pedal grabs should come
anywhere near your bearing housings! Bashed bearing housings is a
pretty good sign of bad technique and something to work on avoiding.

That said, on the 2005 frame, the housings are thicker and one-piece so
they shouldn't be any less durable than the 2004 KH frames. In any case
they are much, much stronger than the stamped metal housings found on
most cheap frames (ie the bearing housings secured with nuts and
bolts).

Lastly, the frames are only one part of what has been a year-long
process to redesign and upgrade the KH unicycles. I'm excited about
how they've turned out and will post some photos as soon as they become
available.

Kris

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danger_uni said:

* Neither grinding nor pedal grabs should come anywhere near your
bearing housings! Bashed bearing housings is a pretty good sign of
bad technique and something to work on avoiding. *

true, i brought it up mainly because durring the learning process
mistakes happen and a hard hit on Aluminum is never good. i hope for the
sake of accidents and for spare parts reasons a super expensive uni will
have extra bearing holders available.

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Thanks Kris for all the detail. You confirmed my earlier comments about
how these are like the next level in unicycle frames. I will eventually
have a Trials version.

I didn't notice if you mentioned the material of the bearing caps. From
what you wrote I gather they are made of the same material as the rest
of the frame. I for one do not intend to grind on my bearing caps, and
don't know how much abuse they get from trialsists and learners. Anyway,
It definitely sounds like a good idea to make replacements available.
Then everybody's happy.

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there you go you heard it from the master this frame is almost bullet
proff. :p it still feels so cool im almost talking to kris holm. :eek:

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