NoCom destroys competition in 400K race

"JohnnyNoCom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Read it and weep asshatchet riders. Those lame USCF frames like Trek and

Litespeed will never go this fast. When a NoCom racer competes everyone on
the course gets passed.

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NoCom RULES and is the FASTEST stock bike in the Known Universe.

Johnny NoCom
Fastest Stock Bike in the Known Universe®

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"Some of my best lap times for the 400 were after the 350 mark.
From 380Ks until the end I was lapping one guy every lap and the faster

riders every third or fourth lap.

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When the crowd at the start/finish line started to YELL and CLAP for me

every time I came around,

Quoted message said:

this just helped me dig deeper and push harder, I was now smiling and

happy to be so near the end of the epic race.

Quoted message said:

With 10Ks to go I ran out of water I didn't think this was such a big deal

but maybe the painful post-race cramping could have been avoided if I did
drink more.

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On last 5 laps (about11km) I started singing, I was SO

Except its not a bicycle.

Kurd said:

Except its not a bicycle.

Oh, geez... here we go again.

Kurd, listen- learn some grammar. When you want to contract "it is",
include an apostrophe: "it's". When you refer to something "possessed
by it", that's when you use "its" without the apostrophe.
We now return you to your regularly schedule rantfest.

Jeff

Kurd said:

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Quoted message said:

Read it and weep asshatchet riders. Those lame USCF frames like Trek and

Litespeed will never go this fast. When a NoCom racer competes everyone on
the course gets passed.

Quoted message said:

NoCom RULES and is the FASTEST stock bike in the Known Universe.

Johnny NoCom
Fastest Stock Bike in the Known Universe?

____________________________________________________________________________
____________

Quoted message said:

"Some of my best lap times for the 400 were after the 350 mark.
From 380Ks until the end I was lapping one guy every lap and the faster

riders every third or fourth lap.

Quoted message said:

When the crowd at the start/finish line started to YELL and CLAP for me

every time I came around,

Quoted message said:

this just helped me dig deeper and push harder, I was now smiling and

happy to be so near the end of the epic race.

Quoted message said:

With 10Ks to go I ran out of water I didn't think this was such a big deal

but maybe the painful post-race cramping could have been avoided if I did
drink more.

Quoted message said:

On last 5 laps (about11km) I started singing, I was SO

Except its not a bicycle.

Pedal powered and two wheels in a single-track - the NoCom certainly
fits the definition of a bicycle.

See <http://www.velokraft.com/nocom.htm>.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

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Kurd said:

"JohnnyNoCom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Read it and weep asshatchet riders. Those lame USCF frames like Trek and

Litespeed will never go this fast. When a NoCom racer competes everyone

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the course gets passed.

Quoted message said:

NoCom RULES and is the FASTEST stock bike in the Known Universe.

Johnny NoCom
Fastest Stock Bike in the Known Universe?

____________________________________________________________________________

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Quoted message said:

"Some of my best lap times for the 400 were after the 350 mark.
From 380Ks until the end I was lapping one guy every lap and the faster

riders every third or fourth lap.

Quoted message said:

When the crowd at the start/finish line started to YELL and CLAP for me

every time I came around,

Quoted message said:

this just helped me dig deeper and push harder, I was now smiling and

happy to be so near the end of the epic race.

Quoted message said:

With 10Ks to go I ran out of water I didn't think this was such a big

deal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but maybe the painful post-race cramping could have been avoided if I

did

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drink more.

Quoted message said:

On last 5 laps (about11km) I started singing, I was SO

Except its not a bicycle.

Pedal powered and two wheels in a single-track - the NoCom certainly
fits the definition of a bicycle.

See <http://www.velokraft.com/nocom.htm>.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

And riding lawnmower is an automobile.

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Kurd said:

Except its not a bicycle.

Oh, geez... here we go again.

Kurd, listen- learn some grammar. When you want to contract "it is",
include an apostrophe: "it's". When you refer to something "possessed
by it", that's when you use "its" without the apostrophe.
We now return you to your regularly schedule rantfest.

It still ain't a bicycle.

Ron

Kurd' may have said:

Except its not a bicycle.

It's a bicycle, but it's not legal for competition in most forms of
racing. Nor is it likely to be. And where it *is* legal, it may not
be the best choice; speed isn't always everything.

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"JohnnyNoCom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Read it and weep asshatchet riders. Those lame USCF frames like Trek and

Litespeed will never go this fast. When a NoCom racer competes everyone on
the course gets passed.

Quoted message said:

NoCom RULES and is the FASTEST stock bike in the Known Universe.

Johnny NoCom
Fastest Stock Bike in the Known Universe®

It is a pretty cool looking machine, but fastest is relative to where you're
riding it. Let us know when someone uses it to break 10:50 on that course.

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Quoted message said:

"Some of my best lap times for the 400 were after the 350 mark.
From 380Ks until the end I was lapping one guy every lap and the faster

riders every third or fourth lap.

Quoted message said:

When the crowd at the start/finish line started to YELL and CLAP for me

every time I came around,

Quoted message said:

this just helped me dig deeper and push harder, I was now smiling and

happy to be so near the end of the epic race.

Quoted message said:

With 10Ks to go I ran out of water I didn't think this was such a big deal

but maybe the painful post-race cramping could have been avoided if I did
drink more.

Quoted message said:

On last 5 laps (about11km) I started singing, I was SO

JohnnyNoCom said:

Read it and weep asshatchet riders. Those lame USCF frames like Trek and Litespeed will never go this fast. When a NoCom racer competes everyone on the course gets passed.

NoCom RULES and is the FASTEST stock bike in the Known Universe.

You are Francois Fauvre and I claim my $5.

On 29 Jan 2005 11:08:24 -0600, "JohnnyNoCom"

may have said:

Read it and weep asshatchet riders. Those lame USCF frames like Trek
and Litespeed will never go this fast. When a NoCom racer competes
everyone on the course gets passed.

The NoCom, however, will never be ridden to break a USCF record,
because it's not legal for USCF competition. Its speed relative to
USCF bikes is, therefore, irrelevant to USCF-bike events and riders.

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NoCom RULES

Rules what? A street corner is Berlin?

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and is the FASTEST stock bike in the Known Universe.

I don't think this one fits any reasonable definition of a "stock
bike"; it's still in the realm of exotic custom hardware. Calling it
"stock" is like calling a Lingenfelter Corvette "stock". Sure, if
you've got enough money, you can call up and have one delivered...but
to the majority of the world, "stock" implies "produced identically in
large numbers, using equipment not radically different from others,
and widely available from dealer inventory". It's an exotic. That
there's more than one of it is not, in itself, enough to make it
"stock" for any common classification of bikes.

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Werehatrack said:

On 29 Jan 2005 11:08:24 -0600, "JohnnyNoCom"

may have said:

Read it and weep asshatchet riders. Those lame USCF frames like Trek
and Litespeed will never go this fast. When a NoCom racer competes
everyone on the course gets passed.

The NoCom, however, will never be ridden to break a USCF record,
because it's not legal for USCF competition. Its speed relative to
USCF bikes is, therefore, irrelevant to USCF-bike events and riders.

Quoted message said:

NoCom RULES

Rules what? A street corner is Berlin?

Quoted message said:

and is the FASTEST stock bike in the Known Universe.

I don't think this one fits any reasonable definition of a "stock
bike"; it's still in the realm of exotic custom hardware. Calling it
"stock" is like calling a Lingenfelter Corvette "stock". Sure, if
you've got enough money, you can call up and have one delivered...but
to the majority of the world, "stock" implies "produced identically in
large numbers, using equipment not radically different from others,
and widely available from dealer inventory". It's an exotic. That
there's more than one of it is not, in itself, enough to make it
"stock" for any common classification of bikes.

This is the definition of "Stock" that "Johnny NoCom" is referring to:

"STOCK - Vehicles in this class may have any number of wheels.
Vehicle/frame design may not incorporate any form of fairing which is
not an integral part of the frame. Specifically, brazed on, welded on,
or epoxied on integral parts of the frame which do not divert airflow
around the rider are allowed. Wheel discs/covers are allowed. Supplied
number plates do not constitute a fairing. Rider is male or female of
any age."

<http://www.recumbents.com/hpra/rulesand.htm>

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So what is it?

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Kurd said:

"JohnnyNoCom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>Read it and weep asshatchet riders. Those lame USCF frames like Trek
>and

Litespeed will never go this fast. When a NoCom racer competes everyone

on

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Quoted message said:

the course gets passed.

>NoCom RULES and is the FASTEST stock bike in the Known Universe.
>
>Johnny NoCom
>Fastest Stock Bike in the Known Universe?
>
>

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>"Some of my best lap times for the 400 were after the 350 mark.
>From 380Ks until the end I was lapping one guy every lap and the faster

riders every third or fourth lap.

>When the crowd at the start/finish line started to YELL and CLAP for me

every time I came around,

>this just helped me dig deeper and push harder, I was now smiling and

happy to be so near the end of the epic race.

>With 10Ks to go I ran out of water I didn't think this was such a big

deal

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but maybe the painful post-race cramping could have been avoided if I

did

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drink more.

>On last 5 laps (about11km) I started singing, I was SO

Except its not a bicycle.

Pedal powered and two wheels in a single-track - the NoCom certainly
fits the definition of a bicycle.

See <http://www.velokraft.com/nocom.htm>.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

And riding lawnmower is an automobile.

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:33:51 -0600, Tom Sherman

may have said:

Werehatrack said:

On 29 Jan 2005 11:08:24 -0600, "JohnnyNoCom"

may have said:

NoCom RULES and is the FASTEST stock bike in the Known Universe.

I don't think this one fits any reasonable definition of a "stock
bike"; it's still in the realm of exotic custom hardware. Calling it
"stock" is like calling a Lingenfelter Corvette "stock". Sure, if
you've got enough money, you can call up and have one delivered...but
to the majority of the world, "stock" implies "produced identically in
large numbers, using equipment not radically different from others,
and widely available from dealer inventory". It's an exotic. That
there's more than one of it is not, in itself, enough to make it
"stock" for any common classification of bikes.

This is the definition of "Stock" that "Johnny NoCom" is referring to:

"STOCK - Vehicles in this class may have any number of wheels.
Vehicle/frame design may not incorporate any form of fairing which is
not an integral part of the frame. Specifically, brazed on, welded on,
or epoxied on integral parts of the frame which do not divert airflow
around the rider are allowed. Wheel discs/covers are allowed. Supplied
number plates do not constitute a fairing. Rider is male or female of
any age."

<http://www.recumbents.com/hpra/rulesand.htm>

Specialty venue, specialty rules. The Nocom flunks on both parts (b)
and (e) of the rules governing USCF-legal bicycle characteristics for
general competition use. It would not be permitted in a
USCF-sanctioned recumbent race either, due to its flunking (b).

Johnny Nocom compared it to USCF-legal bikes. That's where his
assertion is nonsensical. It's not even legal for USCF *recumbent*
racing. As such, it can't set or break a USCF record; it may be used
to turn in better times than those in the record books, but the
records will remain unbroken regardless.

(A close reading of the USCF rules makes me wonder how the Trek
Madone's seat tube design hasn't caused it to be protested. Of
course, there may be some "whatever is good for Trek is good for bike
racing" philosophy involved...)

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Werehatrack said:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:33:51 -0600, Tom Sherman

may have said:

Werehatrack said:

On 29 Jan 2005 11:08:24 -0600, "JohnnyNoCom"
<[email hidden]> may have said:

>NoCom RULES and is the FASTEST stock bike in the Known Universe.

I don't think this one fits any reasonable definition of a "stock
bike"; it's still in the realm of exotic custom hardware. Calling it
"stock" is like calling a Lingenfelter Corvette "stock". Sure, if
you've got enough money, you can call up and have one delivered...but
to the majority of the world, "stock" implies "produced identically in
large numbers, using equipment not radically different from others,
and widely available from dealer inventory". It's an exotic. That
there's more than one of it is not, in itself, enough to make it
"stock" for any common classification of bikes.

This is the definition of "Stock" that "Johnny NoCom" is referring to:

"STOCK - Vehicles in this class may have any number of wheels.
Vehicle/frame design may not incorporate any form of fairing which is
not an integral part of the frame. Specifically, brazed on, welded on,
or epoxied on integral parts of the frame which do not divert airflow
around the rider are allowed. Wheel discs/covers are allowed. Supplied
number plates do not constitute a fairing. Rider is male or female of
any age."

<http://www.recumbents.com/hpra/rulesand.htm>

Specialty venue, specialty rules. The Nocom flunks on both parts (b)
and (e) of the rules governing USCF-legal bicycle characteristics for
general competition use. It would not be permitted in a
USCF-sanctioned recumbent race either, due to its flunking (b).

Johnny Nocom compared it to USCF-legal bikes. That's where his
assertion is nonsensical. It's not even legal for USCF *recumbent*
racing. As such, it can't set or break a USCF record; it may be used
to turn in better times than those in the record books, but the
records will remain unbroken regardless.

(A close reading of the USCF rules makes me wonder how the Trek
Madone's seat tube design hasn't caused it to be protested. Of
course, there may be some "whatever is good for Trek is good for bike
racing" philosophy involved...)

I do not believe that "Johnny NoCom" ever mentioned or implied USCF
rules or records - he was comparing the Velokraft NoCom to all other
unfaired bicycles.

An organization has been formed to sanction records for bicycles that
fall outside of the narrow definitions of the traditional organizations
[1]: <http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wrra/default.htm>. The Velokraft
NoCom fits the WRRA definition of "Unfaired".

Admittedly, the number of people involved in such racing worldwide less
than show up to a single USCF event near a major urban area, but that
has no relevance to the argument at hand.

[1] As these organizations believe in comparing riders at the expense of
technical innovation.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:07:01 -0600, Tom Sherman

may have said:

I do not believe that "Johnny NoCom" ever mentioned or implied USCF
rules or records - he was comparing the Velokraft NoCom to all other
unfaired bicycles.

I took this to be a direct implication that he was making the
comparison:

JohnnyNoCom said:

Those lame USCF frames like Trek and Litespeed will never go this
fast.

As such, I considered his crowing to be sophomoric.

Quoted message said:

An organization has been formed to sanction records for bicycles that
fall outside of the narrow definitions of the traditional organizations
[1]: <http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wrra/default.htm>. The Velokraft
NoCom fits the WRRA definition of "Unfaired".

Admittedly, the number of people involved in such racing worldwide less
than show up to a single USCF event near a major urban area, but that
has no relevance to the argument at hand.

[1] As these organizations believe in comparing riders at the expense of
technical innovation.

If the machine's the thing, fine, but in bike racing, the power comes
from the rider; to make it a race instead of a demonstration, the
machines need to be equal, or at least nearly so.

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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:46:13 GMT, "Robert Haston"

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So what is it?

A bicycle that's not legal for any USCF competition.

(And, for that matter, also not legal in a lot of other forms of
racing.)

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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:52:45 GMT, RonSonic <[email hidden]>

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Kurd said:

Except its not a bicycle.

Oh, geez... here we go again.

Kurd, listen- learn some grammar. When you want to contract "it is",
include an apostrophe: "it's". When you refer to something "possessed
by it", that's when you use "its" without the apostrophe.
We now return you to your regularly schedule rantfest.

It still ain't a bicycle.

It are, too. Just not one that you can race where it matters to the
USCF.

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What is the bizarre psychopatholgy that causes some people who are fans
of particular types of bikes to behave in a hostile manner towards
riders who use different types of bikes?

I just don't get it. We're all in this together...

Sheldon "It Takes All Kinds" Brown
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Werehatrack said:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:07:01 -0600, Tom Sherman

may have said:

I do not believe that "Johnny NoCom" ever mentioned or implied USCF
rules or records - he was comparing the Velokraft NoCom to all other
unfaired bicycles.

I took this to be a direct implication that he was making the
comparison:

On 29 Jan 2005 11:08:24 -0600, "JohnnyNoCom"

Quoted message said:

Those lame USCF frames like Trek and Litespeed will never go this
fast.

As such, I considered his crowing to be sophomoric.

What is wrong with making the point that a splitter-plate lowracer is
more aerodynamically efficient than an USCF legal upright bicycle?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

An organization has been formed to sanction records for bicycles that
fall outside of the narrow definitions of the traditional organizations
[1]: <http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wrra/default.htm>. The Velokraft
NoCom fits the WRRA definition of "Unfaired".

Admittedly, the number of people involved in such racing worldwide less
than show up to a single USCF event near a major urban area, but that
has no relevance to the argument at hand.

[1] As these organizations believe in comparing riders at the expense of
technical innovation.

If the machine's the thing, fine, but in bike racing, the power comes
from the rider; to make it a race instead of a demonstration, the
machines need to be equal, or at least nearly so.

Why not let the best combination of bicycle and rider win? Making it a
"competition of riders" is neither morally superior nor morally inferior
to a "competition of bicycles and riders". However, the "competition of
riders is for the most part a technological dead end.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

Sheldon Brown said:

What is the bizarre psychopatholgy that causes some people who are fans
of particular types of bikes to behave in a hostile manner towards
riders who use different types of bikes?

I just don't get it. We're all in this together...

Sheldon,

Think of "Johnny NoCom" as the recumbent version of Fabrizio Mazzoleni. 🙂

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Tom Sherman - Earth