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  1. Could USPS intentionally try for 2nd place in the TTT? If CSC has the best
    time in the TTT, would the boys in blue let up a bit (assuming they could
    take 1st at full out) to let Voigt put on the yellow jersey, and have CSC
    defend it until the Pyrenees? (Assuming no change in current team rankings)

    Because of the rules this year, the amount of time Armstrong could take out
    of his rivals in the TTT would only be at most 10 seconds more between
    coming in 1st or 2nd, no matter how much ahead of the second place team they
    arrive.

    So for example instead of adding say 20, 30, 2'30 on his lead over Hamilton,
    Ullrich, Mayo, he'll only add 10, 20, 2'20. Might well be worth it to be
    able to take it easy until the Mountains!

  2. trg said:

    Could USPS intentionally try for 2nd place in the TTT? If CSC has the best
    time in the TTT, would the boys in blue let up a bit (assuming they could
    take 1st at full out) to let Voigt put on the yellow jersey, and have CSC
    defend it until the Pyrenees? (Assuming no change in current team rankings)

    Because of the rules this year, the amount of time Armstrong could take out
    of his rivals in the TTT would only be at most 10 seconds more between
    coming in 1st or 2nd, no matter how much ahead of the second place team they
    arrive.

    So for example instead of adding say 20, 30, 2'30 on his lead over Hamilton,
    Ullrich, Mayo, he'll only add 10, 20, 2'20. Might well be worth it to be
    able to take it easy until the Mountains!

    Ridiculous. They would never voluntarily give up time. Even if Lance
    only puts 10 seconds into his rivals it's still 10 seconds. Add that to
    the 15 his got on Jan and it's 25 seconds. Ideally, ride like they did
    in '03 and hope other teams fill in the gaps between Postal and rivals.
    You never know, C/A may pull another rabbit out of a hat.

  3. Richard Adams said:
    trg said:

    Could USPS intentionally try for 2nd place in the TTT? If CSC has
    the best time in the TTT, would the boys in blue let up a bit
    (assuming they could take 1st at full out) to let Voigt put on the
    yellow jersey, and have CSC defend it until the Pyrenees? (Assuming
    no change in current team rankings)

    Because of the rules this year, the amount of time Armstrong could
    take out of his rivals in the TTT would only be at most 10 seconds
    more between coming in 1st or 2nd, no matter how much ahead of the
    second place team they arrive.

    So for example instead of adding say 20, 30, 2'30 on his lead over
    Hamilton, Ullrich, Mayo, he'll only add 10, 20, 2'20. Might well be
    worth it to be able to take it easy until the Mountains!

    Ridiculous. They would never voluntarily give up time. Even if Lance
    only puts 10 seconds into his rivals it's still 10 seconds. Add that
    to the 15 his got on Jan and it's 25 seconds. Ideally, ride like
    they did in '03 and hope other teams fill in the gaps between Postal
    and rivals. You never know, C/A may pull another rabbit out of a
    hat.

    Postal is going last. They'll know whether C/A pulls a rabbit out of it's
    hat. (Which wouldn't be a bad thing, let Hushovd keep the yellow and C/A
    fight to keep it all the way to La Mongie.) They'll know the finishing order
    and times for ALL the other teams before they cross the line. It's worth a
    maximum 10 seconds to let another team spend the energy riding at the head
    of the peloton reeling in / discouraging breaks for the next 7 stages.

  4. trg said:


    Postal is going last.

    insert "probably". Assuming that there aren't any awkward splits
    tomorrow with USP's third rider the wrong side of them - admittedly
    unlikely, but I would imagine that sending riders back to help
    Armstrong in the event of a late puncture or whatever would be more
    important than protecting the lead in the team classification.

    Roger

  5. Roger Hughes said:
    trg said:


    Postal is going last.

    insert "probably". Assuming that there aren't any awkward splits
    tomorrow with USP's third rider the wrong side of them - admittedly
    unlikely, but I would imagine that sending riders back to help
    Armstrong in the event of a late puncture or whatever would be more
    important than protecting the lead in the team classification.

    Roger

    If you read my original post you'll see I wrote-

    (Assuming no change in current team rankings)

  6. trg said:
    Richard Adams said:
    trg said:

    Could USPS intentionally try for 2nd place in the TTT? If CSC has
    the best time in the TTT, would the boys in blue let up a bit
    (assuming they could take 1st at full out) to let Voigt put on the
    yellow jersey, and have CSC defend it until the Pyrenees? (Assuming
    no change in current team rankings)

    Because of the rules this year, the amount of time Armstrong could
    take out of his rivals in the TTT would only be at most 10 seconds
    more between coming in 1st or 2nd, no matter how much ahead of the
    second place team they arrive.

    So for example instead of adding say 20, 30, 2'30 on his lead over
    Hamilton, Ullrich, Mayo, he'll only add 10, 20, 2'20. Might well be
    worth it to be able to take it easy until the Mountains!

    Ridiculous. They would never voluntarily give up time. Even if Lance
    only puts 10 seconds into his rivals it's still 10 seconds. Add that
    to the 15 his got on Jan and it's 25 seconds. Ideally, ride like
    they did in '03 and hope other teams fill in the gaps between Postal
    and rivals. You never know, C/A may pull another rabbit out of a
    hat.

    Postal is going last. They'll know whether C/A pulls a rabbit out of it's
    hat. (Which wouldn't be a bad thing, let Hushovd keep the yellow and C/A
    fight to keep it all the way to La Mongie.) They'll know the finishing order
    and times for ALL the other teams before they cross the line. It's worth a
    maximum 10 seconds to let another team spend the energy riding at the head
    of the peloton reeling in / discouraging breaks for the next 7 stages.

    This really would become a tactical affair if the stage to La Mongie
    immediately followed it.

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