No Helmets Needed?

Edward Dolan said:

See what happens when you don't edit properly. No one will know what you are
talking about, other than that you have called me a fool and I have called
you as one who appears poorly on newsgroups.

You seem to understand fine enough, and I wouldn't call you no one,
whatever else I call you.

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Jeez, I never realized that civilizations are just games where the old
football gets passed from one to the next. You mean no people ever had any
originality. It was just all influences?

What's the matter, you don't believe in evolution?

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Nonsense, that was what a professor of philosophy told me once in a college
class and professors are never wrong about anything.

During the class on the Cretan Paradox, no doubt.

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Who knows why I saying what I am saying, Even I don't know. That is because
you do not know how to edit.

Why, all you need is to pay attention!

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So why didn't you just say that in the first place instead of telling me
what a great Jew Stern is?
[...]

I didn't say anything about stern other than what I'd said initially,
which is nothing like what you've been on about all this time.

And [censored] was a Jew.

Quoted message said:

One-liner responses are for idiots and that seems to be all you are capable
of.

Anything more and you forget! Do you also have trouble going across
the room to turn off the light?

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I would like to introduce you to a guy here on ARBR who signs himself
Slugger. He is like you and the two of you should get along perfectly. But I
require intelligence in a correspondent. Furthermore, why bore and insult
these honorable newsgroups, otherwise known as RBM and ARBR.

Therefore, I propose that you update your material -- or start
cribbing.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Funny...I'd imagine that Texas might suit you more.

Edward Dolan said:

"NYC XYZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Edward Dolan said:

Yes, both are true. Therefore, appearances matter. Who we really are is
unknown, even to ourselves.

Appearances only matter to fools.

You have so far appeared rather poorly here on these newsgroups.

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Aristotle was wrong about most things under the sun as was Plato and
Socrates.

Actually, that's you.

It was a rediscovery of Aristotle that lead to the Renaissance. Prior
to that, the Church was all about Plato.

Like I said, I would...but I'm afraid you'd only go postal in a
bookstore.

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But still they were superior to the Orientals that had existed up
to that time

Of course, that all depends on what the Dickens you mean by "superior"
in this case.

(Don't bother -- it's rhetorical. Was only reminded of a program last
night on PBS about that Egyptian Pharaoh who believed in one god, and
how the narrator used the most outlandish superlatives without
qualification or explanation: "the greatest empire ever," "changed the
world forever," etc. For your own much-needed information, you'll want
to remember Oxford don Joseph Needham's eleven-volume "Science and
Civilization in Ancient China."😉

The Ancients were human beings of course, but sufficiently different from us
in their thinking that we need not concern ourselves with them. Even the
Greeks and the Romans were not much better.The only kind of civilization I
care about began with the West at about the time of the Renaissance in
Italy.

However if it had not been for the rise and fall of the Italian (Roman)
Empire, then the Italian Renaissance, might have never happened.

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. It took the Renaissance before man began to think at all
logically about things due to the emergence of scientific thinking.

No, the ancient Greeks were already codifying formal logic. And as far
as the empiricism of scientific thinking, nothing could be done without
its actual practice, whatever the circumstances of its actual
codification as theory, so the fact is that it was already

Did you know that Aristotle thought women had fewer teeth in their mouth
than men. It apparently never occurred to him to look inside a woman's mouth
and count the teeth. What do you make of that? So much for logic!

That's not logic, perhaps the women he did look at, had lost a few teeth
by that time, so he figured they had less, perhaps with a larger sample
size, the possible truth of his idea would have disappeared.....

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The High Middle Ages were quite innovative in very many technical ways, but
still they lacked scientific thinking. Technology is not science and is
always severely limited in what it can know.

Science and Technology are close relatives. Science is the knowledge,
technology is the implementation of that knowledge. No technology now
in existance, would exist without some scientific discovery.

Here is an example, the science: If you take methane gas, and apply
heat you get a chemical reaction (fire). This lead to the technology
behind the natural gas furnace. One that I am happy about this morning,
in that the temperature outside is -12C, so I don't have to go out and
chop wood this morning.

W

NYC XYZ said:

The Wogster said:

Naw, not a 'bent rider, although I wouldn't mind trying to ride one...
I remember the Vic-20 though, I actually worked for Commodore Business
Machines the summer they brought out the C-64, did some programming
with a demo that had serial number 6.

Ah, those were the days, I hear, when a game could be totally designed
by the programmer, who raked in most of the cash! I hope you had your
Richard Garriot moments.

Me, I was still to be introduced to a Commodore PET in Sixth Grade!

I think I was in Grade 10, when our school got a pair of PETs in the
school library, and you had to sign out computer time, and nerdy types
always had a cassette tape in their shirt pockets. Rebels had a
cigarette pack in the same pocket, and Jocks didn't wear shirts with
pockets.

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As for computer mags, kinda liked Byte myself....

No wonder you ain't no 'bent rider! Probably use an Apple now, too.

Nope, I type this on an old IBM that I bought 5 years ago..... Apple
have always been too pricey, and black boxes. The IBM I can upgrade,
but will probably just replace. I still read Jerry Pournelle, but these
days it's online.

W

The Wogster said:

I think I was in Grade 10, when our school got a pair of PETs in the
school library, and you had to sign out computer time, and nerdy types
always had a cassette tape in their shirt pockets. Rebels had a
cigarette pack in the same pocket, and Jocks didn't wear shirts with
pockets.

The best programmer of the grade was this kid named Steven Solution --
I kid you not!

It was great fun, programming in Basic and Logo.

One thing I remember was this Turkish kid who used to go around
grabbing other guys' asses for a prank (he only did this with his
friends). Finally this German kid, Anthony, who's now a California
surfer hunk dude, threatened to beat him up. That put a stop to it.

I'd never even heard of a computer until then. I was extremely puzzled
when the computer asked me what was my name, how was I feeling, etc.
This was the famous "Eliza" AI program who had me spooked! Everyone
else was dying of laughter.

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Nope, I type this on an old IBM that I bought 5 years ago..... Apple
have always been too pricey, and black boxes. The IBM I can upgrade,
but will probably just replace. I still read Jerry Pournelle, but these
days it's online.

W

Hm, I wonder where those guys from Iowa (Info mag) are these days?

Too bad Computer Gaming World got sold and is now corporate.

Those were the days! They actually made games which told stories. I
actually miss cleverly-designed 8-bit graphics!

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Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]

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So why didn't you just say that in the first place instead of telling me
what a great Jew Stern is?
[...]

I didn't say anything about stern other than what I'd said initially,
which is nothing like what you've been on about all this time.

But we will never know what you said in the first place because you have
edited it out of all your posts. You insult the reader when you do this.
After all, we are not just writing to one another. This is a newsgroup, not
email.

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And [censored] was a Jew.

I doubt it, but there is some mystery here apparently.
[...]

I will no longer respond to one-liners except for those very few which will
give me an opportunity to wax eloquent on subjects of my own choosing.
After all, I have readers I must consider even if you don't. One-liners are
for idiots, not for Great Ones like myself.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]

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The Ancients were human beings of course, but sufficiently different from
us in their thinking that we need not concern ourselves with them. Even
the Greeks and the Romans were not much better.The only kind of
civilization I care about began with the West at about the time of the
Renaissance in Italy.

However if it had not been for the rise and fall of the Italian (Roman)
Empire, then the Italian Renaissance, might have never happened.

There was nothing Italian about Ancient Rome. However, there was everything
Italian about Renaissance Italy. I do not like to see Rome given too much
credit for the rise of Europe.
[...]

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Did you know that Aristotle thought women had fewer teeth in their mouth
than men. It apparently never occurred to him to look inside a woman's
mouth and count the teeth. What do you make of that? So much for logic!

That's not logic, perhaps the women he did look at, had lost a few teeth
by that time, so he figured they had less, perhaps with a larger sample
size, the possible truth of his idea would have disappeared.....

Yes, you are thinking like a man of the West, but Aristotle was thinking
like a Greek. Huge difference!

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The High Middle Ages were quite innovative in very many technical ways,
but still they lacked scientific thinking. Technology is not science and
is always severely limited in what it can know.

Science and Technology are close relatives. Science is the knowledge,
technology is the implementation of that knowledge. No technology now in
existance, would exist without some scientific discovery.

Very sophisticated technology can exist without any foundation in science
whatsoever. The High Middle Ages proved that.

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Here is an example, the science: If you take methane gas, and apply heat
you get a chemical reaction (fire). This lead to the technology behind
the natural gas furnace. One that I am happy about this morning, in that
the temperature outside is -12C, so I don't have to go out and chop wood
this morning.

The rise of science only occurred in the West. It is why Western
Civilization is now dominant in the world. Why it occurred in the West and
nowhere else is very mysterious, but I attribute it to the Protestant
Reformation in Western Europe. Science and technology are two different
things. They may or may not be related. All civilizations have technology,
but only the West developed science. Huge difference!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

"The Wogster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The Ancients were human beings of course, but sufficiently different from
us in their thinking that we need not concern ourselves with them. Even
the Greeks and the Romans were not much better.The only kind of
civilization I care about began with the West at about the time of the
Renaissance in Italy.

However if it had not been for the rise and fall of the Italian (Roman)
Empire, then the Italian Renaissance, might have never happened.

There was nothing Italian about Ancient Rome. However, there was everything
Italian about Renaissance Italy. I do not like to see Rome given too much
credit for the rise of Europe.
[...]

You sure about that, Rome is in Italy after all, Roman government might
have fallen, but there are modern Italians in Rome, who have Roman
roots.... However Romans after the fall had to reinvent themselves and
Italy is the result.

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Did you know that Aristotle thought women had fewer teeth in their mouth
than men. It apparently never occurred to him to look inside a woman's
mouth and count the teeth. What do you make of that? So much for logic!

That's not logic, perhaps the women he did look at, had lost a few teeth
by that time, so he figured they had less, perhaps with a larger sample
size, the possible truth of his idea would have disappeared.....

Yes, you are thinking like a man of the West, but Aristotle was thinking
like a Greek. Huge difference!

Make that ancient Greek, modern Greeks are quite different, I know a few
of them.....

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The High Middle Ages were quite innovative in very many technical ways,
but still they lacked scientific thinking. Technology is not science and
is always severely limited in what it can know.

Science and Technology are close relatives. Science is the knowledge,
technology is the implementation of that knowledge. No technology now in
existance, would exist without some scientific discovery.

Very sophisticated technology can exist without any foundation in science
whatsoever. The High Middle Ages proved that.

Either your definition of technology or your definition of science is
flawed...

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Here is an example, the science: If you take methane gas, and apply heat
you get a chemical reaction (fire). This lead to the technology behind
the natural gas furnace. One that I am happy about this morning, in that
the temperature outside is -12C, so I don't have to go out and chop wood
this morning.

The rise of science only occurred in the West. It is why Western
Civilization is now dominant in the world. Why it occurred in the West and
nowhere else is very mysterious, but I attribute it to the Protestant
Reformation in Western Europe. Science and technology are two different
things. They may or may not be related. All civilizations have technology,
but only the West developed science. Huge difference!

Gee, now your thinking like a modern American, where only science that
is discoved, and technology developed in the USA count.

W

Edward Dolan said:

But we will never know what you said in the first place because you have
edited it out of all your posts.

Not my fault if you don't know whether you're coming or going.

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You insult the reader when you do this.

You can print it out and call it macroni and cheese for all anyone
cares -- your taste buds, your brain.

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After all, we are not just writing to one another. This is a newsgroup, not
email.

Last I heard, you had been roundly rejected as newsgroup moderator, so
forgive me if I look askance at this pretense to public service.

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I doubt it, but there is some mystery here apparently.
[...]

Anyone that obssessed with "World Jewry" has got to be a closet Jew.

Kinda like how if we scratch you past the surface, we'll find a
slobbering liberal wannabe who got rejected by a half-joo negress back
in high school.

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I will no longer respond to one-liners except for those very few which will
give me an opportunity to wax eloquent on subjects of my own choosing.

LOL -- try talking about recumbent bicycles, then!

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After all, I have readers I must consider even if you don't. One-liners are
for idiots, not for Great Ones like myself.

At what weight did you decide to style yourself a great one?

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

So you wear a Viking helmet when you ride?

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Edward Dolan said:

"The Wogster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

>The Ancients were human beings of course, but sufficiently different
>from us in their thinking that we need not concern ourselves with them.
>Even the Greeks and the Romans were not much better.The only kind of
>civilization I care about began with the West at about the time of the
>Renaissance in Italy.

However if it had not been for the rise and fall of the Italian (Roman)
Empire, then the Italian Renaissance, might have never happened.

There was nothing Italian about Ancient Rome. However, there was
everything Italian about Renaissance Italy. I do not like to see Rome
given too much credit for the rise of Europe.
[...]

You sure about that, Rome is in Italy after all, Roman government might
have fallen, but there are modern Italians in Rome, who have Roman
roots.... However Romans after the fall had to reinvent themselves and
Italy is the result.

No, Italy was invaded by various tribes after the fall of the Empire and
there was nothing Roman about them at all.

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>Did you know that Aristotle thought women had fewer teeth in their mouth
>than men. It apparently never occurred to him to look inside a woman's
>mouth and count the teeth. What do you make of that? So much for logic!

That's not logic, perhaps the women he did look at, had lost a few teeth
by that time, so he figured they had less, perhaps with a larger sample
size, the possible truth of his idea would have disappeared.....

Yes, you are thinking like a man of the West, but Aristotle was thinking
like a Greek. Huge difference!

Make that ancient Greek, modern Greeks are quite different, I know a few
of them.....

Yes, modern Greeks and Romans are as Western as you and I are. When I
reference Roman and Greek in a historical discussion like this, I am of
course referring to the ancient civilizations.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>The High Middle Ages were quite innovative in very many technical ways,
>but still they lacked scientific thinking. Technology is not science and
>is always severely limited in what it can know.

Science and Technology are close relatives. Science is the knowledge,
technology is the implementation of that knowledge. No technology now in
existance, would exist without some scientific discovery.

Very sophisticated technology can exist without any foundation in science
whatsoever. The High Middle Ages proved that.

Either your definition of technology or your definition of science is
flawed...

Yes, I am assuming a universe of understanding which you do not have. We
would have to began with a History of Western Civilization 101 to be
followed by a History of Science 101. It is way too much work at our ages.
You either get it in your youth or you miss out on it forever.

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Quoted message said:

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Here is an example, the science: If you take methane gas, and apply heat
you get a chemical reaction (fire). This lead to the technology behind
the natural gas furnace. One that I am happy about this morning, in that
the temperature outside is -12C, so I don't have to go out and chop wood
this morning.

The rise of science only occurred in the West. It is why Western
Civilization is now dominant in the world. Why it occurred in the West
and nowhere else is very mysterious, but I attribute it to the Protestant
Reformation in Western Europe. Science and technology are two different
things. They may or may not be related. All civilizations have
technology, but only the West developed science. Huge difference!

Gee, now your thinking like a modern American, where only science that is
discoved, and technology developed in the USA count.

By the West, I mean Western Civilization or Christendom. If you had had a
college liberal arts education it would not be necessary for me to recover
these terms for you.

By the way science was not discovered, it was invented.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Edward Dolan said:

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota