Newbie q: kickstand

In article <[email hidden]>,

(yosh) said:

Hi all,
I just purchased a new mountain bike, which came partially assembled.
As a complete newbie to assembling bikes, I was feeling pretty proud
of myself after managing to get everything up and running etc...until
I carried my bike out to the driveway intending to test out my
handiwork and ran into a really stupid problem: the kickstand (which
came pre-bolted on the bike, and which I had pushed to the down
position to stabilize my bike during assembly) refuses to go back up.
I can see and understand the 'mechanism'. There's a metal piece
jutting out that blocks the kickstand head on its way back up.
From limited experience, one is meant to kick the kickstand in such a
way so that it moves 'in towards the frame', clears the metal jut and
rotates back up, isn't that correct?

For whatever it's worth:
My own kickstand works by pushing it inboard a little (as
you describe above) and then continuing to follow-through
by sweeping or flicking the kickstand leg backward with
my foot in a a smooth, almost effortless, naturally
feeling motion. Push it in a little, and while it's
pushed-in, sweep it back.

I think the trick to kickstands is to not think too much
about the mechanics of what's going on inside them, but
rather, to consider the simple ergonomics of manipulating
(pedipulating?) them.

cheers,
Tom

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yosh said:

Hi all,
I just purchased a new mountain bike, which came partially assembled.
As a complete newbie to assembling bikes, I was feeling pretty proud
of myself after managing to get everything up and running etc...until
I carried my bike out to the driveway intending to test out my
handiwork and ran into a really stupid problem: the kickstand (which
came pre-bolted on the bike, and which I had pushed to the down
position to stabilize my bike during assembly) refuses to go back up.
I can see and understand the 'mechanism'. There's a metal piece
jutting out that blocks the kickstand head on its way back up.
From limited experience, one is meant to kick the kickstand in such a
way so that it moves 'in towards the frame', clears the metal jut and
rotates back up, isn't that correct? I've been trying this and it
comes close to clearing the metal jut (about 1.5-2mm left to clear; if
I do not push the kickstand 'in', there's about 4mm to clear), but it
just doesn't do it (and I've been using as much force as I dared to,
and I've tried with my foot and with my hands).
Any advice? Perhaps it's still new and doesn't have as much 'give'
yet? The spring on the kickstand is wound really, really tight and I'm
not going to be able to unhook it easily.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Remove it and send it to Fabrizio.

Problem solved; off you go...
--
BS (no, really)

Unnecessary hardware. Remove and chuck it into the recycle bin.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Super Slinky said:

Unnecessary hardware.

It depends on how the bike is used.
My own kickstand is indispensable to me, as I
frequently have to park in construction sites,
with nowhere or nothing to lean my bike against
while keeping it out of the way and safe from
getting run over by dump trucks. My kickstand
simply multiplies my parking spot options.

cheers,
Tom

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Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Super Slinky said:

Unnecessary hardware.

It depends on how the bike is used.

Agreed. FWIW all my bikes have fenders and bells, which I consider to be
the top two important accessories, kickstands I save for the "shopping"
bikes. I needed a new kickstand for the utility three speed a few weeks
ago and got one at Target of all places. Works great and has an allen bolt
for adjusting length, so you don't have to hacksaw it like the old models.
Very light too.

As to the OP question, I think I'd need to see a picture to understand.
Perhaps get one of those swell kickstands at Target for a fiver next time
you're out shopping for dogfood and TP, they work really great! Nice
smooth action and sleek modern looks, what's not to like? LOL :P

Perhaps a little lubricant would help the original stand operate more
smoothly, but I've seen stands that were [censored] from day one.

😄

Super Slinky said:

Unnecessary hardware. Remove and chuck it into the recycle bin.

Ditto that. I broke one kickstand while trying too hard to torque something
down on my Mongoose (pot metal) and put another one on. After a few miles
of it either hitting the tire or the pedal it came off. Now I just gently
lay the bike down or lean it against a tree. For the weight watchers here,
I agree on this one being wasted weight.

--
Bill (?) Baka

Little Bill said:

Super Slinky said:

Unnecessary hardware. Remove and chuck it into the recycle bin.

Ditto that. I broke one kickstand while trying too hard to torque something
down on my Mongoose (pot metal) and put another one on. After a few miles
of it either hitting the tire or the pedal it came off.

So, in addition to being an idiot, your mechanically incompetent as
well. You're a piece of work, little bill.

Rich

You know, I used to consider a kick stand a nerdy thing that should not be
added to a bike. I ride my bike to a flea market often, and I got so tired
of laying the bike down where people are trying to walk, or carefully
leaning it against some vendor's card table, etc, hoping not to [censored] them
off. I added the kickstand just "temporarily," and, guess what: I can't
feel any difference in the way the bike rides, so I decided to leave it on.

"Leo Lichtman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

You know, I used to consider a kick stand a nerdy thing that should not be
added to a bike. I ride my bike to a flea market often, and I got so

tired

Quoted message said:

of laying the bike down where people are trying to walk, or carefully
leaning it against some vendor's card table, etc, hoping not to [censored] them
off. I added the kickstand just "temporarily," and, guess what: I can't
feel any difference in the way the bike rides, so I decided to leave it

on.

Quoted message said:

Well I would use one too IF they could design one that actually held the
bike upright, my experience with these silly things is that they alway fail
and the bike ends up falling over anyway! Now I just lean it up against
whatever it is that I am locking it to!!

Ken

Bill Baka said:

BTW, Rich is one of the 3 [censored] that take offense to "Good morning"
if not speken
correctly.

What's speken? Do we add illiterate to the list?

As I stated before, little bill, you're a piece of work.

Rich

Rich said:

Bill Baka said:

BTW, Rich is one of the 3 [censored] that take offense to "Good morning"
if not speken
correctly.

What's speken? Do we add illiterate to the list?

As I stated before, little bill, you're a piece of work.

Rich

No but you can add typos which I miss due to my news reader not having
a spell checker. (Opera, great browser, lousy mail client.
Rich I see you will not go away.
Do you remember this whole (Bill Baka = bad) started just because I rode
on the wrong side of the road, one road,only sometimes.
3 or 4 self important gouches to screw up a news group.

--
Bill (?) Baka

Bill Baka said:

Do you remember this whole (Bill Baka = bad) started just because I rode
on the wrong side of the road, one road,only sometimes.

Once again, you're confused. Can you find the post you're referring to?
No. Because I never replied to such a post.

Do you even have a clue what "truth" is, little bill? I think you've
been making stuff up so long now you don't even realize you're doing it
anymore.

Rich

Leo Lichtman says...

Quoted message said:

You know, I used to consider a kick stand a nerdy thing that should not be
added to a bike. I ride my bike to a flea market often, and I got so tired
of laying the bike down where people are trying to walk, or carefully
leaning it against some vendor's card table, etc, hoping not to [censored] them
off. I added the kickstand just "temporarily," and, guess what: I can't
feel any difference in the way the bike rides, so I decided to leave it on.

I don't think it is even possible for me to mount one on 3 out of 4 of
my bikes.

Rich said:

Bill Baka said:

Do you remember this whole (Bill Baka = bad) started just because I rode
on the wrong side of the road, one road,only sometimes.

Once again, you're confused. Can you find the post you're referring to?
No. Because I never replied to such a post.

Do you even have a clue what "truth" is, little bill? I think you've
been making stuff up so long now you don't even realize you're doing it
anymore.

Rich

The sad part of your post is that I really did do those things in the
country and you city kids have no room to admit you ever did anything
wrong. Wrong use of lane or something but not the speeds I have done.
Poor little Rich, missing out on some serious adrenalin rushes,
But I guess that is what coward do.

--
Bill (?) Baka

Bill Baka said:

Quoted message said:

Do you even have a clue what "truth" is, little bill? I think you've
been making stuff up so long now you don't even realize you're doing it
anymore.

Rich

The sad part of your post is that I really did do those things in the
country and you city kids have no room to admit you ever did anything
wrong. Wrong use of lane or something but not the speeds I have done.
Poor little Rich, missing out on some serious adrenalin rushes,
But I guess that is what coward do.

There is often a fine line between brave and stupid, but in your case
the line is quite broad.
I'm sure there are a number of people on this newsgroup who have done
some outrageous, daring, and possibly downright dangerous feats. But,
onlike you, they feel no need to exaggerate and brag, no need to
prove, what a big man they are.

Little Bill, you are the only one, who is constantly talking of his
exploits, most of which have nothing to do with bicycling. And it
sounds like, even amongst children, you feel the need to prove what a
big man you are. My guess is, that those neighborhood kids don't look
up to you, they find you amusing. As they grow up, you will become a
joke in there eyes. "Remember that little guy who did all the stupid
stunts?" "Oh yeah, you mean little bill".

Like I've said, I'm mostly amused by your BS, quite bothered by your
bad advice, and now sickened by your prejudiced, near-racist
ramblings.

Life is Good!
Jeff

Jeff Starr said:

Bill Baka said:

Quoted message said:

Do you even have a clue what "truth" is, little bill? I think you've
been making stuff up so long now you don't even realize you're doing it
anymore.

Rich

The sad part of your post is that I really did do those things in the
country and you city kids have no room to admit you ever did anything
wrong. Wrong use of lane or something but not the speeds I have done.
Poor little Rich, missing out on some serious adrenalin rushes,
But I guess that is what coward do.

There is often a fine line between brave and stupid, but in your case
the line is quite broad.
I'm sure there are a number of people on this newsgroup who have done
some outrageous, daring, and possibly downright dangerous feats. But,
onlike you, they feel no need to exaggerate and brag, no need to
prove, what a big man they are.

When I say I did something, that means I did it, not imagined it.
And many of those things I would NOT repeat again like trying to touch
200 MPH on a motorcycle, but I didn't like the thought of being caught
and thrown in jail either. I may have only been going 180 MPH, but
hauling ass either way. With the tricycle event it did happen but
trikes don't have speedometers on them. I was a reckless child and
I still am a reckless adult so if you have a problem with me having
fun just call the folks at the funny farm. The only difference between
then and now is that I know damn well when I go over the line it is going
to hurt, so I don't get wild and crazy that often.

Quoted message said:

Little Bill, you are the only one, who is constantly talking of his
exploits, most of which have nothing to do with bicycling. And it
sounds like, even amongst children, you feel the need to prove what a
big man you are. My guess is, that those neighborhood kids don't look
up to you, they find you amusing. As they grow up, you will become a
joke in there eyes. "Remember that little guy who did all the stupid
stunts?" "Oh yeah, you mean little bill".

Little Bill who has put larger [censored] in the hospital. Read the
Healdsburg newspaper, which is only a weekly up there for the summer
of 2001, but all it says is that there was an altercation between
a 52 year old on a bicycle and a 22 year old (quite drunk) in a pick up.
I only danced with him because I was afraid of what might have happened
if I did lose it and go all Kung Foo on him. That is not what I practice
however, more of a mix and jumble. The point being that I could have killed
him before he dropped but if he was the mayors kid I would be in deep [censored].
As it turns out there were about a dozen witness who wished I had dropped
him and wanted me to press charges. I may be only 5'7" but don't get in
my face. I wasn't even in my 'protect the kids' mode at that point.

Quoted message said:

Like I've said, I'm mostly amused by your BS, quite bothered by your
bad advice, and now sickened by your prejudiced, near-racist
ramblings.

Specifically what bad advice? I have said that on ocasion I will move to
the wrong side of the road to avoid a train of semis but I don't
reccommend it.

And for the final time, I am not racist, I would be happy if everyone just
spoke the same language. In California here we have things printed in so
many languages it is sometimes hard to find the English, if it is on there
at all. And I was in error (damn typo again) when I said that blondes
would be extinct by 2002, it was 2200. That study was done by a Nordic
country which I think was Sweden, not by me, so go up there and blame them.

Quoted message said:

Life is Good!
Jeff

--
Bill (Life minus Jeff might be better) Baka

Bill Baka said:

When I say I did something, that means I did it, not imagined it.

Only in the make-believe world of Bill-land.

Quoted message said:

And many of those things I would NOT repeat again like trying to touch
200 MPH on a motorcycle,

Whoa, It's 200 now... the motorcycle speed story has changed everytime
you've told it. That's the problem with lying bill, it's hard to keep
the story straight.

Quoted message said:

I only danced with him because I was afraid of what might have happened
if I did lose it and go all Kung Foo on him. That is not what I practice
however, more of a mix and jumble.

Only in Bill-land.

Quoted message said:

And for the final time, I am not racist, I would be happy if everyone just
spoke the same language.

The most widely spoken language on the planet is mandarin (beating
second-place English by a 2 to 1 ratio), so I guess if you want us all
to speak the same one that would be it. You're not the center of the
world Bill, it's unlikely everyone's going to conform to your norms.

Quoted message said:

In California here we have things printed in so
many languages it is sometimes hard to find the English,

Perhaps you could learn a 2nd langauge, like most Europeans. Certainly
someone with a high IQ such as yourself could handle that.

Rich

Bill Baka said:

Jeff Starr said:

Bill Baka said:

> Do you even have a clue what "truth" is, little bill? I think you've
> been making stuff up so long now you don't even realize you're doing it
> anymore.
>
> Rich
>
The sad part of your post is that I really did do those things in the
country and you city kids have no room to admit you ever did anything
wrong. Wrong use of lane or something but not the speeds I have done.
Poor little Rich, missing out on some serious adrenalin rushes,
But I guess that is what coward do.

There is often a fine line between brave and stupid, but in your case
the line is quite broad.
I'm sure there are a number of people on this newsgroup who have done
some outrageous, daring, and possibly downright dangerous feats. But,
onlike you, they feel no need to exaggerate and brag, no need to
prove, what a big man they are.

When I say I did something, that means I did it, not imagined it.
And many of those things I would NOT repeat again like trying to touch
200 MPH on a motorcycle, but I didn't like the thought of being caught
and thrown in jail either. I may have only been going 180 MPH, but
hauling ass either way. With the tricycle event it did happen but
trikes don't have speedometers on them. I was a reckless child and
I still am a reckless adult so if you have a problem with me having
fun just call the folks at the funny farm. The only difference between
then and now is that I know damn well when I go over the line it is going
to hurt, so I don't get wild and crazy that often.

Quoted message said:

Little Bill, you are the only one, who is constantly talking of his
exploits, most of which have nothing to do with bicycling. And it
sounds like, even amongst children, you feel the need to prove what a
big man you are. My guess is, that those neighborhood kids don't look
up to you, they find you amusing. As they grow up, you will become a
joke in there eyes. "Remember that little guy who did all the stupid
stunts?" "Oh yeah, you mean little bill".

Little Bill who has put larger [censored] in the hospital. Read the
Healdsburg newspaper, which is only a weekly up there for the summer
of 2001, but all it says is that there was an altercation between
a 52 year old on a bicycle and a 22 year old (quite drunk) in a pick up.
I only danced with him because I was afraid of what might have happened
if I did lose it and go all Kung Foo on him. That is not what I practice
however, more of a mix and jumble. The point being that I could have killed
him before he dropped but if he was the mayors kid I would be in deep [censored].
As it turns out there were about a dozen witness who wished I had dropped
him and wanted me to press charges. I may be only 5'7" but don't get in
my face. I wasn't even in my 'protect the kids' mode at that point.

Quoted message said:

Like I've said, I'm mostly amused by your BS, quite bothered by your
bad advice, and now sickened by your prejudiced, near-racist
ramblings.

Specifically what bad advice? I have said that on ocasion I will move to
the wrong side of the road to avoid a train of semis but I don't
reccommend it.

And for the final time, I am not racist, I would be happy if everyone just
spoke the same language. In California here we have things printed in so
many languages it is sometimes hard to find the English, if it is on there
at all. And I was in error (damn typo again) when I said that blondes
would be extinct by 2002, it was 2200. That study was done by a Nordic
country which I think was Sweden, not by me, so go up there and blame them.

Quoted message said:

Life is Good!
Jeff

180, going all Kung Foo, that says it all.

Rich said:

Bill Baka said:

When I say I did something, that means I did it, not imagined it.

Only in the make-believe world of Bill-land.

Quoted message said:

And many of those things I would NOT repeat again like trying to touch
200 MPH on a motorcycle,

Whoa, It's 200 now... the motorcycle speed story has changed everytime
you've told it. That's the problem with lying bill, it's hard to keep
the story straight.

It's damn hard to keep anything straight at that speed, including the
bike. The speedo went past 160 and pinned at 170 with tach at about 8K.
The tach continued up close to 9,500, not quite 10K but that was damn
well fast enough for me. And no, you damn fool I was not going to slow
down so the nice man in the cop car could write me a ticket and verify it.
That one MAY be in the CHP log around 1973 or somewhere in there about
the one who got away, but I doubt they keep records that long for less
than murder or robbery.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I only danced with him because I was afraid of what might have happened
if I did lose it and go all Kung Foo on him. That is not what I practice
however, more of a mix and jumble.

Only in Bill-land.

Better than in jail-land which is where I could have gotten if I had let
loose on him. The one thing you do learn in any kind of martial arts
training is to keep your cool unless your life or someone elses is in
danger. I was in no danger so I kept him busy until the police arrived.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And for the final time, I am not racist, I would be happy if everyone
just
spoke the same language.

The most widely spoken language on the planet is mandarin (beating
second-place English by a 2 to 1 ratio), so I guess if you want us all
to speak the same one that would be it. You're not the center of the
world Bill, it's unlikely everyone's going to conform to your norms.

It is also very computer unfriendly since there are way too many
characters.
I wouldn't pick on thier language but I am thinking of something that uses
our alphabet even if it does turn out to be French, Spanish, Italian, or
whatever.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In California here we have things printed in so
many languages it is sometimes hard to find the English,

Perhaps you could learn a 2nd langauge, like most Europeans. Certainly
someone with a high IQ such as yourself could handle that.

French. Does me a hell of a lot of good when I am surrounded by Mexicans.
Bill (Guillaume) Baka

Quoted message said:

Rich