Newbie overtraining?

Robert Chung said:

h squared said:

i thought at first you were pulling my leg, but i looked it up and it's true. holy [censored]!

Your son probably knew.

yeah, but he's out of it. (still trying to recover from his viewing of greg white's fruit obsession.
"those bicyclists are weird."😉

heather

Jeff Jones said:

"Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
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Jeff Jones said:

re: great climbers - now or then? I can't recall even a good climber

from

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Belgium/Netherlands since Gert-Jan T. The best climbers now are (in

general)

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Spaniards and Italians.

Jeff

The past, I guess--stuck in the past, like most old farts. I'd almost forgotten about "Testo".

Bit of a question mark, but then again ya still gotta have talent.

Going back: Van Impe & Charly Gaul (although Luxembourg isn't exactly flat) definitely. Merckx I
guess by default as he was good at everything. <large lacunae in historical cycling knowledge
suddenly appear. Turns off computer>

Jeff

That must be the first time the word "lacunae" has been used on rbr--congrats!

Steve

h squared said:

Benjamin Weiner wrote:

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The supersizing and de-chewification of the bagel as it becomes assimilated into mainstream
culture is a tragedy.

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but will bob write opera about it?

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i didn't realize till today that bicyclists have a strange obsession for bagels. is it because
their bodies are desperate for carbs, or is it maybe the symbolic wheel shape of the bagel
itself ??

Both no doubt, but also a properly boiled and then baked bagel has a glossy crust (as you know) and
tough consistency which makes it ideal for surviving the rough environment of a jersey pocket two
hours into a long ride. Try that with a Krispy Kreme, or Noah's, or Wonder Bread. I'm sure Ewoud can
recall for us some legend about Joop Zoetemelk staving off the bonk with a bagel during some long-
forgotten Belgian classic.

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heather (bakes her own crappy bagels)

Cool. I can bake ruggelach (not as hard as they look, if you learn from a master) but have not tried
bagels. The need for decent bagels prompted me to find a couple of recipes, but haven't had time to
try them. It's amazing how much variation there is in bagel recipes - lots of them have eggs, for
example. Hello, only _egg_ bagels should have eggs!

Steven Bornfeld wrote

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Commuting does suck, that's for sure. I live and work in Brooklyn, so that's not a problem. As
for hill training, I've wondered how so many great climbers have come out of Belgium and Holland.
I mean, do even young amateurs travel to train in the mountains, or does the natural talent just
come out later when they do?

B. Lafferty said:

Wind. It is your friend. It will make you strong.

Not much of that in NY, if there was the air wouldn;t smell as vile as it does in the summer.

Benjamin Weiner said:

legend about Joop Zoetemelk staving off the bonk with a bagel during some long-forgotten Belgian
classic.

Are you kidding?! His uncle and aunt used to own a bagelshop, the first in Holland, in the centre
of Amsterdam. Later on, jewish cuisine began to have a hard time against other more exotic
foreign specialties. Joop being the greatest jewish cyclist ever, always remained true to the
bagel of course.

Steven Bornfeld said:

That must be the first time the word "lacunae" has been used on rbr--congrats!

Unquoted, and even referring to himself, yes, but otherwise:
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Ewoud Dronkert schreef:

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Joop being the greatest jewish cyclist ever, always remained true to the bagel of course.

More impressive is his respect for the sabbath.

On Saturdays he remained loyal to the ban on working by never taking a pull. Even when he won the
Gold Race, on a Saturday, he made an agreement he could ride away at 32 kmh, which can't be
considered working for a pro.

"Van Hoorebeeck Bart" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Ewoud Dronkert schreef:

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Joop being the greatest jewish cyclist ever, always remained true to the bagel of course.

More impressive is his respect for the sabbath.

On Saturdays he remained loyal to the ban on working by never taking a pull. Even when he won the
Gold Race, on a Saturday, he made an agreement he could ride away at 32 kmh, which can't be
considered working for a pro.

When did the ultimate wheelsucker ever take a pull?

"B. Lafferty" schreef:

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When did the ultimate wheelsucker ever take a pull?

Exactly, that's how his orthodoxy was overseen. His fellow riders tolerated and respected his riding
style on Saturday, and as Joop benefited hugely, he soon expanded his behavior to any other day.
Noone questioned that.

Benjamin Weiner said:

Cool. I can bake ruggelach (not as hard as they look, if you learn from a master) but have not
tried bagels. The need for decent bagels prompted me to find a couple of recipes, but haven't had
time to try them. It's amazing how much variation there is in bagel recipes - lots of them have
eggs, for example. Hello, only _egg_ bagels should have eggs!

oooo, i made some really bad ruggelach at that old job. (well, you notice i didn't continue in the
baking profession..i was not an inspired baker.)

i could use a good bagel recipe or two myself. the one i have is ok (no eggs!), but it's fun to
experiment. and btw, (cover your ears, tritonrider) i make dough in either the bread machine or in
the kitchen aid. saves a ton of time. otherwise i'd never make anything, knowing how lazy i am.

i don't know how much bread type stuff you've made in the past, but different types of flour and
even different brands of the same "type" can make a difference in a recipe.

also, be careful not to burn the hell out of your face with escaping steam when opening the oven
door. that was "fun"..

heather

Benjamin Weiner said:

Cool. I can bake ruggelach (not as hard as they look, if you learn from a master) but have not
tried bagels. The need for decent bagels prompted me to find a couple of recipes, but haven't had
time to try them. It's amazing how much variation there is in bagel recipes - lots of them have
eggs, for example. Hello, only _egg_ bagels should have eggs!

oooo, i made some really bad ruggelach at that old job. (well, you notice i didn't continue in the
baking profession..i was not an inspired baker.)

i could use a good bagel recipe or two myself. the one i have is ok (no eggs!), but it's fun to
experiment. and btw, (cover your ears, tritonrider) i make dough in either the bread machine or in
the kitchen aid. saves a ton of time. otherwise i'd never make anything, knowing how lazy i am.

i don't know how much bread type stuff you've made in the past, but different types of flour and
even different brands of the same "type" can make a difference in a recipe.

also, be careful not to burn the hell out of your face with escaping steam when opening the oven
door. that was "fun"..

heather

Van Hoorebeeck Bart said:

More impressive is his respect for the sabbath.

On Saturdays he remained loyal to the ban on working by never taking a pull. Even when he won the
Gold Race, on a Saturday, he made an agreement he could ride away at 32 kmh, which can't be
considered working for a pro.

Didn't they climb the Causberg back then?

Jenko

Van Hoorebeeck Bart said:

More impressive is his respect for the sabbath.

On Saturdays he remained loyal to the ban on working by never taking a pull. Even when he won the
Gold Race, on a Saturday, he made an agreement he could ride away at 32 kmh, which can't be
considered working for a pro.

Didn't they climb the Causberg back then?

Jenko

Jenko said:

Didn't they climb the Causberg back then?

Climbing the Cauberg at 32km/h is impressive.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Steven Bornfeld said:

That must be the first time the word "lacunae" has been used on rbr--congrats!

Unquoted, and even referring to himself, yes, but otherwise:
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Unbelievable!

Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Steven Bornfeld said:

That must be the first time the word "lacunae" has been used on rbr--congrats!

Unquoted, and even referring to himself, yes, but otherwise:
groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗

Unbelievable!

Perhaps you meant to use "inconceivable?" No matter, I do not think it means what you
think it means.

Robert Chung said:

Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:

Ewoud Dronkert said:

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:02:36 -0500, Steven Bornfeld wrote:

>That must be the first time the word "lacunae" has been used on rbr--congrats!

Unquoted, and even referring to himself, yes, but otherwise:
groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗

Unbelievable!

Perhaps you meant to use "inconceivable?" No matter, I do not think it means what you think
it means.

I think you mean "unbearable", not "inconceivable". Possibly "impenetrable".

Stewart Fleming said:

Robert Chung said:

Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:02:36 -0500, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>
>> That must be the first time the word "lacunae" has been used on rbr--congrats!
>
> Unquoted, and even referring to himself, yes, but otherwise:
> groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗

Unbelievable!

Perhaps you meant to use "inconceivable?" No matter, I do not think it means what you think
it means.

I think you mean "unbearable", not "inconceivable". Possibly "impenetrable".

Inscrutable.

Robert Chung said:

Stewart Fleming said:

Robert Chung said:

Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS wrote:

>Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>
>
>
>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:02:36 -0500, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That must be the first time the word "lacunae" has been used on rbr--congrats!
>>
>>Unquoted, and even referring to himself, yes, but otherwise:
>>groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
>
> Unbelievable!

Perhaps you meant to use "inconceivable?" No matter, I do not think it means what you think
it means.

I think you mean "unbearable", not "inconceivable". Possibly "impenetrable".

Inscrutable.

Not under-managed.

Stewart Fleming said:

Robert Chung said:

Stewart Fleming said:

Robert Chung wrote:
>Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS wrote:
>>Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>>>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:02:36 -0500, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>> Unbelievable!
>Perhaps you meant to use "inconceivable?" ...
I think you mean "unbearable", not "inconceivable". Possibly "impenetrable".

Inscrutable.

Not under-managed.

From now on, approved rbr terminology for "bagels" will be "lacunae-related dough activities." Thank
you for your attention in this matter.