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  1. Steven Bornfeld said:
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    Nah, just bring bagels from Ess-A-Bagel.

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    Oh, that is a wonderful place. Now you've made me homesick!

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    I taught at my dental school for a couple of years, and we frequently walked down 1st Ave.
    for lunch there. I think they're better than H&H.

    No comparison - Ess-A-Bagel is far superior. H&H bagels are too big and squidgy, only tolerable when
    you compare to the tawdry imitations that are passed off as bagels in most of the rest of the
    country. AFAICT, there are no good bagels in California. Here, the default is the Noah's chain. They
    have New York memorabilia painted on the walls, but as a friend of mine said, "Noah's isn't bad - if
    you think of them as rolls. Nice, fluffy blueberry rolls. Just don't think of a bagel while eating
    them." And this is from a Texan, for heaven's sake.

    The supersizing and de-chewification of the bagel as it becomes assimilated into mainstream
    culture is a tragedy. I often wonder what similar issues other ethnicities have with their
    traditional foods.

  2. On 2 Mar 2004 13:16:31 -0800, Benjamin Weiner <[email hidden]>

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    I often wonder what similar issues other ethnicities have with their traditional foods.

    Well, cheesecake is only cheesecake as you get closer to New York. Here in Maryland there is a large
    contingent that appears to like fluffy cheesecake with whipped topping. Probably still imprinted
    with Jello and Pudding brand products from their childhood...

    Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels...

  3. Benjamin Weiner said:


    The supersizing and de-chewification of the bagel as it becomes assimilated into mainstream
    culture is a tragedy. I often wonder what similar issues other ethnicities have with their
    traditional foods.

    Like dried meat floss?

  4. "pedalchick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Remember, it takes a 3500 calorie defecit to burn off one pound. That is about 6-7 hours of riding
    just for that one tiny pound

    Strictly speaking that's true but ignores the more signifcant weight loss that is possible by an
    increase in overall basal (resting) metabolism brought on by consistent vigorous aerobic training
    and a high level of fitness.

  5. "Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    B. Lafferty said:


    Much, much better than H&H, although H&H isn't bad at all. Ever have


    Cuban

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    at Cafe National, between 11th and 12th IIRC. The Mofungo was to die


    for.

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    No--thanks for the tip!

    Steve

    When you go, see if there's still a bar near it called the Village Idiot.

  6. B. Lafferty said:

    "Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:

    Much, much better than H&H, although H&H isn't bad at all. Ever have

    Cuban

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    at Cafe National, between 11th and 12th IIRC. The Mofungo was to die

    for.

    Quoted message said:
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    No--thanks for the tip!

    Steve

    When you go, see if there's still a bar near it called the Village Idiot.

    I think it is still there, but I'll check.

    Steve

  7. Benjamin Weiner said:
    Steven Bornfeld said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Nah, just bring bagels from Ess-A-Bagel.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, that is a wonderful place. Now you've made me homesick!

    Quoted message said:

    I taught at my dental school for a couple of years, and we frequently walked down 1st Ave.
    for lunch there. I think they're better than H&H.

    No comparison - Ess-A-Bagel is far superior. H&H bagels are too big and squidgy, only tolerable
    when you compare to the tawdry imitations that are passed off as bagels in most of the rest of the
    country. AFAICT, there are no good bagels in California. Here, the default is the Noah's chain.
    They have New York memorabilia painted on the walls, but as a friend of mine said, "Noah's isn't
    bad - if you think of them as rolls. Nice, fluffy blueberry rolls. Just don't think of a bagel
    while eating them." And this is from a Texan, for heaven's sake.

    The supersizing and de-chewification of the bagel as it becomes assimilated into mainstream
    culture is a tragedy. I often wonder what similar issues other ethnicities have with their
    traditional foods.

    A local good bagel place in Brooklyn told me that the fluffy bagels are sprayed with
    water and baked. The traditional ones have dough boiled in water. Maybe someone can help
    me out with the place on Grand St. that has the big eastern European breads--haven't been
    there in years.

    Steve

  8. Some of the best cheesecake is to be found at Kiev on 3rd(?) Ave in the East Village.

    "Curtis L. Russell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Benjamin Weiner said:

    I often wonder what similar issues other ethnicities have with their traditional foods.

    Well, cheesecake is only cheesecake as you get closer to New York. Here in Maryland there is a
    large contingent that appears to like fluffy cheesecake with whipped topping. Probably still
    imprinted with Jello and Pudding brand products from their childhood...

    Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels...

  9. Robert Chung said:
    Benjamin Weiner said:

    The supersizing and de-chewification of the bagel as it becomes assimilated into mainstream
    culture is a tragedy. I often wonder what similar issues other ethnicities have with their
    traditional foods.

    Like dried meat floss?

    Yeah, but my wife just read in "Natural Health" magazine that nitrates are actually
    good for you!

    Steve

  10. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by TimH
    "pedalchick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Remember, it takes a 3500 calorie defecit to burn off one pound. That is about 6-7 hours of riding
    just for that one tiny pound



    Strictly speaking that's true but ignores the more signifcant weight loss that is possible by an
    increase in overall basal (resting) metabolism brought on by consistent vigorous aerobic training
    and a high level of fitness.

    I'm no exercise physiologist, nor a nutritionist for that matter, but consistent vigorous aerobic training will burn calories, but AFAIK you have to increase lean muscle mass to increase basal metabolism, and you still need to run a net defecit in calories consumed over calories burned to lose weight. And, regardless of your fitness or basal metabolism, I think it's around 3500 calories that you have to burn more than you take in to lose a pound. Some kind of physics involved there, but that's beyond the scope of my knowledge.

    Andy Coggan can correct me if I'm wrong.

    My point is this - it takes a whole ton of energy to lose a pound. It takes very very little effort however to GAIN a pound. 3500 calories is easy to get by going to your local chinese buffet, or eating a typical meal at some crappy Italian chain like Olive Garden. Or by sitting down and eating an entire package of Oreo cookies and a quart of milk while watching Sex in the City reruns. Or by having 10 Krispy Kremes. This is why Americans are so f*&^cking fat - because they cram their faces full of fat and sit on their asses all day doing nothing except letting their muscles atrophy. And they all they want are easy solutions like that pill that blocks fat absorption and gives you projectile diarrhea, or the Atkin's diet which is going to put all the good bagel bakeries out of business because of all the fat f&%^cking stupid gullible dumbass American lazy sh&theads who run up my health insurance rates with their lack of self control.

    But I digress. Ess-A-Bagels rule, but I'd give my left knee to even have an approximation of an H&H where I live. Brugger's Bagels don't even come close. And I can eat a bagel because I burned 4500 extra calories in the last three days on my bike - just about the number of calories in one Essa bagel, if I'm not mistaken...

  11. "Benjamin Weiner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:4044f9af$1@darkstar...

    Quoted message said:
    Steven Bornfeld said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Nah, just bring bagels from Ess-A-Bagel.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, that is a wonderful place. Now you've made me homesick!

    Quoted message said:

    I taught at my dental school for a couple of years, and we frequently walked down 1st Ave. for
    lunch there. I think they're better than H&H.

    No comparison - Ess-A-Bagel is far superior. H&H bagels are too big and squidgy, only tolerable
    when you compare to the tawdry imitations that are passed off as bagels in most of the rest of the
    country. AFAICT, there are no good bagels in California. Here, the default is the Noah's chain.
    They have New York memorabilia painted on the walls, but as a friend of mine said, "Noah's isn't
    bad - if you think of them as rolls. Nice, fluffy blueberry rolls. Just don't think of a bagel
    while eating them." And this is from a Texan, for heaven's sake.


    <SNIP>

    Aaaacck! There is no way you can consider what Noah's sells as a bagel. If you're in NorCal, try
    House of Bagels. They may not be perfect, but at least they're boiled.

    -T

  12. Benjamin Weiner said:
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    I often wonder what similar issues other ethnicities have with their traditional foods.

    What ethnicity is meat and potatos?

  13. gwhite said:

    What ethnicity is meat and potatos?

    Aztec.

  14. On 2 Mar 2004 13:16:31 -0800, Benjamin Weiner <[email hidden]>

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    AFAICT, there are no good bagels in California.

    If you're ever in Santa Cruz visit The Bagelry on Cedar St. downtown. Real bagels baked on premises
    and if you're early, they are still warm from the oven.

    Service is hit 'n miss, though.

    MT

  15. Benjamin Weiner said:


    The supersizing and de-chewification of the bagel as it becomes assimilated into mainstream
    culture is a tragedy.

    but will bob write opera about it?

    i didn't realize till today that bicyclists have a strange obsession for bagels. is it because their
    bodies are desperate for carbs, or is it maybe the symbolic wheel shape of the bagel itself ??

    heather (bakes her own crappy bagels)

  16. What's with the bagels. I dumster dive for them to feed to dogs and pigeons.

    "h squared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Benjamin Weiner said:


    The supersizing and de-chewification of the bagel as it becomes assimilated into mainstream
    culture is a tragedy.

    but will bob write opera about it?

    i didn't realize till today that bicyclists have a strange obsession for bagels. is it because
    their bodies are desperate for carbs, or is it maybe the symbolic wheel shape of the bagel
    itself ??

    heather (bakes her own crappy bagels)

  17. "h squared" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Benjamin Weiner said:


    The supersizing and de-chewification of the bagel as it becomes assimilated into mainstream
    culture is a tragedy.

    but will bob write opera about it?

    i didn't realize till today that bicyclists have a strange obsession for bagels. is it because
    their bodies are desperate for carbs, or is it maybe the symbolic wheel shape of the bagel
    itself ??

    heather (bakes her own crappy bagels)

    You got it almost right Heather, it is because they can nicely squeeze their "thingy" into the hole
    without it being seen on the opposite side. 🙂

    Al

  18. h squared said:


    Benjamin Weiner said:


    The supersizing and de-chewification of the bagel as it becomes assimilated into mainstream
    culture is a tragedy.

    but will bob write opera about it?

    i didn't realize till today that bicyclists have a strange obsession for bagels. is it because
    their bodies are desperate for carbs, or is it maybe the symbolic wheel shape of the bagel
    itself ??

    I actually prefer fruit of any ethnicity to bagels:

    fazigu.orgfruits1.jpg

  19. pedalchick said:
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    Remember, it takes a 3500 calorie defecit to burn off one pound.

    Presumably you're talking about fat.

    (9 Cal/g)*(454 g/lb) = 4086 Cal/lb.

    But not all those fat Cal's go into usable work since there isn't 100% thermodynamic efficiency. I
    don't know what the efficiencies of burning fat, muscle, and carbs are.

  20. "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:
    B. Lafferty said:


    Much, much better than H&H, although H&H isn't bad at all. Ever have


    Cuban

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    at Cafe National, between 11th and 12th IIRC. The Mofungo was to die


    for.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    No--thanks for the tip!

    Steve

    When you go, see if there's still a bar near it called the Village Idiot.

    it was there two years ago.

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