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  1. Hi. I've never cycled seriously and now I've got a little extra money around and am looking for a good durable bike.

    I will be riding it in snow, rain, and on the road in hot summer temps. It will see some offroad duty as well.

    A faster, more leaned over aggressive riding position is a must.

    I don't need anything fancy. I won't be racing or anything. Just need something that won't break easily and that I can use as a physical fitness tool as well. Something very upgradable is also important if in the next few years I decide I want to jazz it up a bit with lighter/more advanced components.

    So here's the list of requirements:
    - fast riding position
    - durable as hell
    - not too fancy
    - can do basic repairs and maintenance on myself
    - very upgradeable
    - can do duty in many environments/climates on many surfaces

    Would buying an extra set of rims with slick road tires or knobby offroad tires be necessary as well? (So I can switch them out depending on the type of riding I'd be doing). I'm willing to do this.

    Looking to spend under $400 (stop laughing, I'm a broke college student!). I'm realistic here: I know I'll have to make lots of compromises on this sort of budget, just PLEASE steer me in the right direction.

    Thanks a million.

  2. If you want good performance on both tarmac and dirt then either an MTB or a cyclocross frame is the go. A road bike will generally not take much abuse. If you're going to spend a lot of time in more rocky terrain then forget the road style all together and get an MTB.
    A cyclocross bike is a road style bike with slightly more relaxed geometry, cantilever brakes and bigger tyre clearance. Generally you'd use similar rims to those on a road bike but more heavily built. This way you can run some thin road tyres or a pair of fatter cyclocross knobbly tyres depending on need. You would be able to keep up with proper road bikes and also be able to hit some less technical off road like fire trails.

  3. So are you insinuating I should buy a frame then construct the bike myself? Or just find a bike with one of those frames? I was hoping to buy a completed bike so I can be out riding sooner and with less hassle, rather than later.

    In my google searches a few bikes have seemed interesting to me and I'd like a little feedback on them:
    Marin Muirwoods
    Trek 7300 FX

  4. If you want something that is adept riding in snow, excels off-road, and is 'durable as hell', you need a MTB frame and knobby tires of the 1.5-2" variety. For road quickness, you need low rolling resistance, which generally means thin and high PSI. I'd recommend getting an agile mountain bike + a set of ~100 PSI 1-to 1.25" slicks (i.e. specialized Fatboy's or the like).

    I'd also recommend you don't spend a ton of money on the package if you're interested in upgradability. Almost any bike you buy is going to be extremely easy to upgrade (rims, components like the shifters/brakes/derailleurs, etc.)... but it is likely that, if you really get into cycling, you will either want a dedicated MTB, ad dedicated roadbike, or both. That said, yes get a complete bike vs. separate frame vs. components (unless you really know your stuff and spend a lot of time shopping around, you'll get your best bang for the buck that way).

  5. Okay, that's very helpful. Now what bikes use MTB frames? Like I said, I'm know. Does MTB stand for anything or is it just a brand name?

  6. Ooops... MTB = Mountain Bike.

  7. Good advice above, in general. I'd agree that a traditional road bike can probably be ruled out, given your parameters (multi-terrain usability, with an emphasis on durability). A simple mountain bike, or a cyclocross bike, could be the way to go.

    In response to your question, no, the suggestion isn't nessecarily that you purchase your frame and components seperately. The bike industry, FYI, isn't unlike the PC computer industry; you're welcome to buy the basic componentry yourslef. With a little know-how and some time, you can purchase what you need and assemble your own system. Or you can have a shop purchase parts and assemble to your specifications. If you're new to computing, though, you'd be just as well off buying a PC pre-assembled, off the shelf.

    For this purchase, you might as well work through a shop.

    Mountain bikes have their advantages and disadvantages; the most obvious pro is their ability to handle rumblier terrain and live to see another ride. Disadvantages? Some. They tend to be heavy, for one (the cheaper the heavier is a rule of thumb). The extra mechanisms -- suspension parts, for instance -- amount to extra stuff to maintain and service. Finally, and most importantly, they're not quite as versatile as the average consumer seems to think. MTB rigs aren't designed for efficient road use. The big tires, non-aerdynamic positioning, and low gearing can make commuting, touring, and even just riding around town feel frustratingly sluggish. Still, plenty get by. I'd definitely suggest a hardtail (no rear suspension) rather than a dual-suspension rig -- for your purposes, a full-suspension MTB would likely be overbuilt. I'd even consider a model with a steel (rather than suspension) fork.

    Cyclocross bikes are an interesting option that not enough folks outside of the hard-core enthusiast set seem to investigate. A bit about their origin: the sport of 'cross was invented in the latter part of this century by european road racing pros itching to compete during the off-season. They'd take heftier steel road bikes, outfit them with chunkier tires and wider brakes for clearance, and engage in nutty races through small mud-and-snow laden ciruit courses. Gaining popularity elsewhere, there's a real culture around 'cross racing these days, and 'cross bikes aren't hard to find. They make great commuters, which helps.

    Think of a cyclocross bike as a road bike on steroids. Though you can buy lighter and lighter aluminum and even carbon 'cross frames, most are burly, and made of steel. Your riding posture is a bit less agressive, and more upright; cables are routed along the topside of the toptube, allowing you to carry the thing on your shoulder easier. Most have wide center-pull brakes (like you'd find on a MTB); some newer models have disc brakes. All are outiftted with road-diameter rims (700c), but are designed to take wider or knobby tires. They look and often feel like road bikes, though, complete with drop-handlebars (bullhorns) and more road-friendly gearing.

    You might want to ask yourself what you're hoping to spend. It's hard to get anything particularly durable or versatile for less than, say, $500; something closer to the $700-$1000 range (for both mountain bikes and 'cross bikes) could offer more solid life and performance. If that's too much, the options get trickier -- hybrids, generally flat-handlebar rigs with upright, MTB-esque geometry and low-end componentry -- are attractively priced, but harder to find a good value in.

    What do you think? Let us know what you're leaning towards.

  8. Sounds like a cross bike would fit the bill perfectly. I have a Trek X01 cross bike that I use for commuting and stuff. The truth is; my cross bike gets a lot more miles than my MTB or my road bike. They're really versitle and durable. But for $400 you'll probably have to try to find a used one. Good luck!

  9. Hmm. How well do cross bikes satisfy the 'durable as hell' and 'capable in a variety of conditions, including offroad/snow' criteria?

  10. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by RC2
    Hmm. How well do cross bikes satisfy the 'durable as hell' and 'capable in a variety of conditions, including offroad/snow' criteria?


    Well, they're perhaps a bit less all-terrain than an Intense Spider or a Santa Cruz Blur, but we're not talking about freeriding here -- we're talking about striking a balance between road riding, trail riding, and nasty conditions. Capable and fast is the name of the game.

    Snow and mud aren't out of the question; I mean, 'cross is a winter sport.

    If there's an issue, it's with relative component durability, and it's minor. Cross bikes are outfitted with road gruppos, generally, and I suspect a 105 or Ultegra rear derailleur would take fewer hits than an XT before starting to act funny. Still, I'm not positive that's the case, and even so, 'cross racers (who abuse their rigs more than any of us would riding to work) get by.

    Plus, there are some great deals on 'cross bikes -- the value scale tends to be better than with traditional MTB or road rides. You'd have to shop around (used) for a $400 deal, but then again, you'd have to shop around for any decent and durable $400 bike.

    The Surly Cross Check is a less expensive, beat-em-up steel cross bike with lots of street cred. Check it out. Also, the Trek X01 meehs mentions above is well-priced. Redline makes a great entry-level model, along with K2 and Salsa.

    Good luck searching!

  11. Ahh, MTB means mountain bike...duh! Sigh. Well at least I'm slowly learning. Heh.

    Anyway. Great replies.

    It sounds like I'll want simplicity regarding the suspension, which is fine. Now I have three bike models I was wondering about (and seem to fit within the parameters specified by you, except for price):

    Marin Muirwoods MSRP: $399.99
    (http://www.roadbikereview.com/AWD_4340_2003crx.aspx)

    Trek 7300 FX MSRP: $439.99
    (http://www.trekbikes.com/bikes/2004/citybike/7300fx.jsp)

    Kona Dew MSRP: $399
    (http://www.konaworld.com/2k4bikes/2k4_dew.cfm)

    They fit within my price range and seem to be meant for what I want them to do...ANY feedback would be greatly appreciated.

    There are SOO many bike models out there though that it's hard to figure out which suck, and which will keep me happy, and which I need. I'm trying to get a toehold here, a starting point of sorts.

    I have to say though that the price requirement isn't as flexible as I'd like it to be. After checking them out, the Trek X01 and others seem like GREAT bikes...but damn they are pricey and I need this bike sooner rather than later.

  12. Welllllll, tough choices, sort of. As is often the case when someone comes by looking for "which one should I buy" advice, the options presented are pretty damn similar on paper. At a glance, the Trek has marginally (really, really marginally) better parts in a few spots -- the Deore rear derailleur is arguably an upgrade over the Altus stuff on the Kona -- but those are minor points, and they're reflected in a slightly higher price tag.

    Personally, I think the Dew is way cooler, for whatever that's worth. It uses the same frame as the Dr. Dew, a higher-end commuter Kona cooked up 2 years ago, which garnered some good reviews for taking the hybrid category to a faster, better-handling level. Ok, industry hype, but there's no arguing the coolness factor.

    Ultimately, you'd probably be great off with any of those three; the only way to be really sure is to seek them out at local shops and do some test riding. It's not chump change you're throwing down; pretend you're buying a car. Get out there and see which feels best under your body.

    Have fun

  13. Absolutely. I'll be using my days off soon to go check out these bikes. Thanks so much for your replies.

  14. I have a 7500 FX and love it. HOw Off-road are you talking? If it's still a road (just not exactly paved) then you should be fine, I think -- I don't go offroad so I got smaller tires. It's handled 6500 miles at almost 3 years old and I still like it :-)

  15. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Geonz
    I have a 7500 FX and love it. HOw Off-road are you talking? If it's still a road (just not exactly paved) then you should be fine, I think -- I don't go offroad so I got smaller tires. It's handled 6500 miles at almost 3 years old and I still like it :-)

    That's basically it - still a "road" just not paved. I won't be doing any hardcore offroad stuff. The Treks are looking better and better....

  16. * cough * do the dew * cough *

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