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  1. I'm a 15-20 mile/wk runner that has recently begun swimming and am using it to augment/balance my
    running. I'm surprised at how much I'm liking it and am enthused about finding another sport I
    enjoy. I'll now get less stressed when a running injury causes me to take a break.

    I figured, with my running, that I was in pretty good shape. But OH MY GOSH! I can't believe how
    hard this swimming is! I go 50 meters and I'm gasping for air.

    I've talked to a friend who is a great swimmer and I've determined my technique has serious, major,
    mongo problems. And I've started working on those and it has helped. But I'd be interested in
    comments from others about how long it typically takes to get to a conditioning level that allows
    one to swim 500m or so uninterrupted. Is it fair to conclude that bad technique is the primary
    contributor to my inability to swim longer than 50m at a stretch or is conditioning also a factor?

    I have a clear picture in my head for the kind of work and length of calendar time required to reach
    a fitness level that allows one to run 2, 3, 4, 10 or whatever number of miles. I don't have the
    equivalent picture in my head for swimming.

    Thanks.

    Jim

  2. It depends on what stroke you're swimming, if you want to swim 500m Butterfly, my gosh you should
    take a few years for
    it.

    The other strokes, it takes a little technique and with some training you should be able to swim
    500m but don't expect olympic results though.

    p.s. try to swim in one tempo just like with walking you should get a rythm and then it will go far
    more easily.

    "Jim Haselmaier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm a 15-20 mile/wk runner that has recently begun swimming and am using it to augment/balance my
    running. I'm surprised at how much I'm liking it and am enthused about finding another sport I
    enjoy. I'll now get less stressed when a running injury causes me to take a break.

    I figured, with my running, that I was in pretty good shape. But OH MY GOSH! I can't believe how
    hard this swimming is! I go 50 meters and I'm gasping for air.

    I've talked to a friend who is a great swimmer and I've determined my technique has serious,
    major, mongo problems. And I've started working on those and it has helped. But I'd be interested
    in comments from others about how long it typically takes to get to a conditioning level that


    allows

    Quoted message said:

    one to swim 500m or so uninterrupted. Is it fair to conclude that bad technique is the primary
    contributor to my inability to swim longer than 50m at a stretch or is conditioning also a factor?

    I have a clear picture in my head for the kind of work and length of calendar time required to
    reach a fitness level that allows one to run 2, 3, 4, 10 or whatever number of miles. I don't have
    the equivalent picture in my head for swimming.

    Thanks.

    Jim

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    I'm a 15-20 mile/wk runner that has recently begun swimming and am using it to augment/balance my
    running. I'm surprised at how much I'm liking it and am enthused about finding another sport I
    enjoy. I'll now get less stressed when a running injury causes me to take a break.

    I figured, with my running, that I was in pretty good shape. But OH MY GOSH! I can't believe how
    hard this swimming is! I go 50 meters and I'm gasping for air.

    I've talked to a friend who is a great swimmer and I've determined my technique has serious, major,
    mongo problems. And I've started working on those and it has helped. But I'd be interested in
    comments from others about how long it typically takes to get to a conditioning level that allows
    one to swim 500m or so uninterrupted. Is it fair to conclude that bad technique is the primary
    contributor to my inability to swim longer than 50m at a stretch or is conditioning also a factor?

    I have a clear picture in my head for the kind of work and length of calendar time required to
    reach a fitness level that allows one to run 2, 3, 4, 10 or whatever number of miles. I don't have
    the equivalent picture in my head for swimming.

    Add a lap (25m) a day. It's not a lot different than gearing up your running training.

    And conditioning more than technique is your determining factor. Technique helps you swim better.
    Training lets you swim longer.

    Tao te Carl

    "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

  4. Jim, I have been running for a while an added swimming in the past few months. After I run I then
    hit the pool. It seems to me that swimming is like anything else. You get better at it fast. I don't
    count laps yet, I just swim for time. I am up to 15 minutes after my run non stop and will add
    another 5 minutes in another week. I plan on running 3 miles and swimming 1 mile for my training.
    When I reach 30 minutes I will count how far I am swimming.

    I suspect you are in good shape, but just not used to the exercise. You will get good at it
    pretty fast I think. Got slow at first and take your time. I am getting faster and faster just
    out of boredom.

    Enjoy, Curt o ' - __o - </\_ ` ' - \< - __/\ /\o_ - (()) (()) - / ^^^^^^^^^^

    "Jim Haselmaier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I'm a 15-20 mile/wk runner that has recently begun swimming and am using it to augment/balance my
    running. I'm surprised at how much I'm liking it and am enthused about finding another sport I
    enjoy. I'll now get less stressed when a running injury causes me to take a break.

    I figured, with my running, that I was in pretty good shape. But OH MY GOSH! I can't believe how
    hard this swimming is! I go 50 meters and I'm gasping for air.

    I've talked to a friend who is a great swimmer and I've determined my technique has serious,
    major, mongo problems. And I've started working on those and it has helped. But I'd be interested
    in comments from others about how long it typically takes to get to a conditioning level that


    allows

    Quoted message said:

    one to swim 500m or so uninterrupted. Is it fair to conclude that bad technique is the primary
    contributor to my inability to swim longer than 50m at a stretch or is conditioning also a factor?

    I have a clear picture in my head for the kind of work and length of calendar time required to
    reach a fitness level that allows one to run 2, 3, 4, 10 or whatever number of miles. I don't have
    the equivalent picture in my head for swimming.

    Thanks.

    Jim

  5. Quoted message said:

    I've talked to a friend who is a great swimmer and I've determined my technique has serious, major,
    mongo problems. And I've started working on those and it has helped. But I'd be interested in
    comments from others about how long it typically takes to get to a conditioning level that allows
    one to swim 500m or so uninterrupted. Is it fair to conclude that bad technique is the primary
    contributor to my inability to swim longer than 50m at a stretch or is conditioning also a factor?


    Probably a bit of both. I'm a newbie swimmer myself (about 2 1/2 months), but I can swim 500
    pretty easily now. (I better be able too as I'm doing a 1.5 mile swim in a couple of weeks). I
    can't remember exactly when I swam 500m uniterrupted but I'm sure it was less than a month into
    my training.

    As with running and biking the secret is pacing yourself and using good technique. I strongly
    recommend the book Total Immersion by Terry Laughlin for technique. He says just to focus on your
    technique and the speed and endurance will come later. As a beginner I can't agree more.

  6. Jim Haselmaier said:

    I'm a 15-20 mile/wk runner that has recently begun swimming and am using it to augment/balance my
    running. I'm surprised at how much I'm liking it and am enthused about finding another sport I
    enjoy. I'll now get less stressed when a running injury causes me to take a break.

    I'm not an experienced swimmer by the standards of any round here, but having gone through a similar
    experience of being a runner and having a bit of difficulty in the pool, I thought I'd give my point
    of view. It was slightly different, because I could already swim breaststroke easily, but had never
    really done frontcrawl since school. Whenever I did it, it was always as a kind of rapid thrashing
    down the pool with a bit of random breathing that I couldn't sustain for more than a length or two.

    I got over this within a dozen sessions or so with a mixture of slowing down, practice, and
    technique. Got the technique ideas to concentrate on via web searching; read all I could to get an
    idea of what body movements, arm movements, breathing, etc seemed to be recommended. Got the
    practice by telling myself I'd go do so many lengths of breaststroke, than have to do the remaining
    so many lengths with frontcrawl, no matter how long it took me. To actually do those lengths, I'd
    try do a lap going slowly, with as nice a stroke as I could. Then I'd pause to get my breath back
    for a bit, then do another lap, and so on. After a few sessions of this, the time needed to get my
    breath back dropped. For me, I found it nonetheless remained difficult for a while, then seemed to
    suddenly click - I realised one time I wasn't pausing more than a leisurely turnaround, and I was
    actually capable of regaining breath during the length. Walked around with a silly grin for the rest
    of that day :-)

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    I figured, with my running, that I was in pretty good shape. But OH MY GOSH! I can't believe how
    hard this swimming is! I go 50 meters and I'm gasping for air.

    This does sound familiar.

    Quoted message said:

    I've talked to a friend who is a great swimmer and I've determined my technique has serious,
    major, mongo problems. And I've started working on those and it has helped. But I'd be interested
    in comments from others about how long it typically takes to get to a conditioning level that
    allows one to swim 500m or so uninterrupted. Is it fair to conclude that bad technique is the
    primary contributor to my inability to swim longer than 50m at a stretch or is conditioning also
    a factor?

    My conclusion - it's technique, but very basic technique. Sort of like the initial bump you need to
    get over. I don't think my conditioning changed significantly, it was more drilling in the muscle
    movement and breathing cycle until the body got used to it and relaxed.

    I think it took me of the order of 10-20 sessions making myself do 30 lengths. Then it pretty much
    clicked, and I could easily carry on for 500m or more. _But_ that was for learning frontcrawl when I
    could already swim breaststroke easily.

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    I have a clear picture in my head for the kind of work and length of calendar time required to
    reach a fitness level that allows one to run 2, 3, 4, 10 or whatever number of miles. I don't have
    the equivalent picture in my head for swimming.

    Persist. You'll get there.

    Tom

  7. But techinique makes it more easily and with that you're also able to swim more and longer

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    I'm a 15-20 mile/wk runner that has recently begun swimming and am using it to augment/balance my
    running. I'm surprised at how much I'm liking it and am enthused about finding another sport I
    enjoy. I'll now get less stressed when a running injury causes me to take a break.

    I figured, with my running, that I was in pretty good shape. But OH MY GOSH! I can't believe how
    hard this swimming is! I go 50 meters and I'm gasping for air.

    I've talked to a friend who is a great swimmer and I've determined my technique has serious,
    major, mongo problems. And I've started working on those and it has helped. But I'd be interested
    in comments from


    others

    Quoted message said:
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    about how long it typically takes to get to a conditioning level that


    allows

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    one to swim 500m or so uninterrupted. Is it fair to conclude that bad technique is the primary
    contributor to my inability to swim longer than 50m at a stretch or is conditioning also a
    factor?

    I have a clear picture in my head for the kind of work and length of calendar time required to
    reach a fitness level that allows one to run 2, 3, 4, 10 or whatever number of miles. I don't
    have the equivalent picture in my head for swimming.

    Add a lap (25m) a day. It's not a lot different than gearing up your


    running

    Quoted message said:

    training.

    And conditioning more than technique is your determining factor. Technique


    helps

    Quoted message said:

    you swim better. Training lets you swim longer.

    Tao te Carl

    "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

  8. True, and eventually, it becomes a feedback loop. But the OP is just starting out. I would think
    conditioning (and this is a thread we've done at least once in the past year) would be more
    important to start.

    up:

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    But techinique makes it more easily and with that you're also able to swim more and longer

    "de Valois" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Jim left this mess on Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:34:43 GMT for The Way to clean


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    I'm a 15-20 mile/wk runner that has recently begun swimming and am using it to augment/balance
    my running. I'm surprised at how much I'm liking it and am enthused about finding another sport
    I enjoy. I'll now get less stressed when a running injury causes me to take a break.

    I figured, with my running, that I was in pretty good shape. But OH MY GOSH! I can't believe how
    hard this swimming is! I go 50 meters and I'm gasping for air.

    I've talked to a friend who is a great swimmer and I've determined my technique has serious,
    major, mongo problems. And I've started working on those and it has helped. But I'd be
    interested in comments from


    others

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    about how long it typically takes to get to a conditioning level that


    allows

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    one to swim 500m or so uninterrupted. Is it fair to conclude that bad technique is the primary
    contributor to my inability to swim longer than 50m at a stretch or is conditioning also a
    factor?

    I have a clear picture in my head for the kind of work and length of calendar time required to
    reach a fitness level that allows one to run 2, 3, 4, 10 or whatever number of miles. I don't
    have the equivalent picture in my head for swimming.

    Add a lap (25m) a day. It's not a lot different than gearing up your


    running

    Quoted message said:

    training.

    And conditioning more than technique is your determining factor. Technique


    helps

    Quoted message said:

    you swim better. Training lets you swim longer.

    Tao te Carl

    "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

    Tao te Carl

    "It takes a village to have an idiot." - Carl (c) 2003

  9. Thanks for the info and ideas. Today seemed to mark a relative breakthrough. I'd used a pull-buoy a
    little so I could focus on the stroke and breathing. I now feel like I'm falling into a rhythym and
    things are getting easier.

    Thanks.

    Jim

    "Jim Haselmaier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm a 15-20 mile/wk runner that has recently begun swimming and am using it to augment/balance my
    running. I'm surprised at how much I'm liking it and am enthused about finding another sport I
    enjoy. I'll now get less stressed when a running injury causes me to take a break.

    I figured, with my running, that I was in pretty good shape. But OH MY GOSH! I can't believe how
    hard this swimming is! I go 50 meters and I'm gasping for air.

    I've talked to a friend who is a great swimmer and I've determined my technique has serious,
    major, mongo problems. And I've started working on those and it has helped. But I'd be interested
    in comments from others about how long it typically takes to get to a conditioning level that


    allows

    Quoted message said:

    one to swim 500m or so uninterrupted. Is it fair to conclude that bad technique is the primary
    contributor to my inability to swim longer than 50m at a stretch or is conditioning also a factor?

    I have a clear picture in my head for the kind of work and length of calendar time required to
    reach a fitness level that allows one to run 2, 3, 4, 10 or whatever number of miles. I don't have
    the equivalent picture in my head for swimming.

    Thanks.

    Jim

  10. "Jim Haselmaier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm a 15-20 mile/wk runner that has recently begun swimming and am using it to augment/balance my
    running. I'm surprised at how much I'm liking it and am enthused about finding another sport I
    enjoy. I'll now get less stressed when a running injury causes me to take a break.

    I figured, with my running, that I was in pretty good shape. But OH MY GOSH! I can't believe how
    hard this swimming is! I go 50 meters and I'm gasping for air.

    You must be sprinting, right? I can swim 50 and hardly raise my heart rate. I can also swim 50, and
    nearly give myself a heart-attack.

    Quoted message said:

    I've talked to a friend who is a great swimmer and I've determined my technique has serious,
    major, mongo problems. And I've started working on those and it has helped. But I'd be interested
    in comments from others about how long it typically takes to get to a conditioning level that


    allows

    Quoted message said:

    one to swim 500m or so uninterrupted.

    At what speed?

    Quoted message said:

    Is it fair to conclude that bad technique is the primary contributor to my inability to swim
    longer than 50m at a stretch or is conditioning also a factor?

    And pacing yourself. You may need some time for your 'swimming' muscles to catch up with the running
    muscles. Swimming uses a lot more muscles than running.

    Quoted message said:

    I have a clear picture in my head for the kind of work and length of calendar time required to
    reach a fitness level that allows one to run 2, 3, 4, 10 or whatever number of miles. I don't have
    the equivalent picture in my head for swimming.

    Swimming is a lot more technique oriented than distance oriented. Think of it as professional
    dancing vs. running. It's not only how much you do it and how good your cardio is, but how good you
    look (how good your technique is).

    Water is kind of funny... if your technique is not smooth, the harder you work, the faster you'll
    wear yourself out, and you won't get very far. On the other hand, swimmers with a great technique
    often look like they're doing it effortless.

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    I've talked to a friend who is a great swimmer and I've determined my technique has serious,
    major, mongo problems. And I've started working on those and it has helped. But I'd be interested
    in comments from


    others

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    about how long it typically takes to get to a conditioning level that


    allows

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    one to swim 500m or so uninterrupted. Is it fair to conclude that bad technique is the primary
    contributor to my inability to swim longer than 50m at a stretch or is conditioning also a
    factor?


    Probably a bit of both. I'm a newbie swimmer myself (about 2 1/2 months), but I can swim 500
    pretty easily now. (I better be able too as I'm doing a 1.5 mile swim in a couple of weeks). I
    can't remember exactly when I swam 500m uniterrupted but I'm sure it was less than a month into my
    training.

    As with running and biking the secret is pacing yourself and using good technique. I strongly
    recommend the book Total Immersion by Terry Laughlin for technique. He says just to focus on your
    technique and the speed and endurance will come later. As a beginner I can't agree more.

    Yea, that book is working pretty well for me too 🙂

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