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On Feb 7, 3:29 pm, "Seth Hammond" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> My son lost it
> and tackled the guy at the end of the race, but it was broken up by
> others
> before a punch was thrown. He was disqualified from the race and the
> series, as well as every race the promoter runs
[...]
> Oh well, these are the days of political
> correctness, I guess. He should have kissed and made up.

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Objecting to assault is "political correctness"? Good for the
promoter.

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I understand, and even agree. I can also see the opposite view. The passer
gave warning and was deliberately run off the track and into the woods.
Remember, my son was the points leader in his age division - not something
easily achieved then thrown away.

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What would you have done?

Okay, this whole thread has suffered from 'unreliable narrator'
issues.

From the first post, I assumed that you were riding your first race,
got upset when people passed you, started blocking faster riders, was
chastised for it and now you are some support.

When you said it was your son, I figured he's some confused teenager
and felt sympathetic. After all, the kid is acting appropriately, like
a juvenile. And for all we know there might be an underlying story,
maybe this other kid has been picking on your every day since
elementary school and this was the rightful pummeling this guy
deserved. And you, as a father, are looking to defend your son even
when probably wrong, as any overly protective parent should.

Then I read that he's between 41 and 44, and I thought, oh, well, what
kind of man-baby is this guy? I mean, what is WRONG with him? Why
doesn't he get himself a life with some real problems beyond
assaulting another individual over a preceived slight while riding his
bicycle? And how is his OP father responsible for enabling this type
of behavior?

And then I realized that I'm a lot closer to 41-44 than my teens. In
other words, what there was of my athletic "prime" is fading faster
than smoke rings and beer burps. If I thought I was about to win a
race (any race, please!) there's no telling what I might do to an
opponent. I might make the chariot race in Spartacus look like
Valentine's Day toodle.

I think that you owe it to us to write that it was all a dream and we
can be done with it.

Thank you,

Scott

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You're welcome.  I started this thread because I knew there would be
different views.  Yours is one of them.  However, among the several things
you ignored or brushed off was my asking opinions of *racers* which you
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Hah! Way to get snippy with someone who's sorta backing your views.
I'll have you know that my entry fees have lined many a race winner's
pocket, and though I have felt blood lust towards those faster than I,
I just never had the energy after a race.

Well, like they say, the apple doesn't fall far. Please don't send
your son to beat me up, and have fun screaming at people in a faster
line at Walmart.

Peace!

Scott

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On Feb 7, 3:29 pm, "Seth Hammond" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> My son lost it
> and tackled the guy at the end of the race, but it was broken up by
> others
> before a punch was thrown. He was disqualified from the race and the
> series, as well as every race the promoter runs
[...]
> Oh well, these are the days of political
> correctness, I guess. He should have kissed and made up.

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Objecting to assault is "political correctness"? Good for the
promoter.

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I understand, and even agree. I can also see the opposite view. The
passer
gave warning and was deliberately run off the track and into the woods.
Remember, my son was the points leader in his age division - not
something
easily achieved then thrown away.

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What would you have done?

Okay, this whole thread has suffered from 'unreliable narrator'
issues.

From the first post, I assumed that you were riding your first race,
got upset when people passed you, started blocking faster riders, was
chastised for it and now you are some support.

When you said it was your son, I figured he's some confused teenager
and felt sympathetic. After all, the kid is acting appropriately, like
a juvenile. And for all we know there might be an underlying story,
maybe this other kid has been picking on your every day since
elementary school and this was the rightful pummeling this guy
deserved. And you, as a father, are looking to defend your son even
when probably wrong, as any overly protective parent should.

Then I read that he's between 41 and 44, and I thought, oh, well, what
kind of man-baby is this guy? I mean, what is WRONG with him? Why
doesn't he get himself a life with some real problems beyond
assaulting another individual over a preceived slight while riding his
bicycle? And how is his OP father responsible for enabling this type
of behavior?

And then I realized that I'm a lot closer to 41-44 than my teens. In
other words, what there was of my athletic "prime" is fading faster
than smoke rings and beer burps. If I thought I was about to win a
race (any race, please!) there's no telling what I might do to an
opponent. I might make the chariot race in Spartacus look like
Valentine's Day toodle.

I think that you owe it to us to write that it was all a dream and we
can be done with it.

Thank you,

Scott

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You're welcome. I started this thread because I knew there would be
different views. Yours is one of them. However, among the several things
you ignored or brushed off was my asking opinions of *racers* which you
clearly are not. Back to Spartacus with you. Good luck.- Hide quoted
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Hah! Way to get snippy with someone who's sorta backing your views.
I'll have you know that my entry fees have lined many a race winner's
pocket, and though I have felt blood lust towards those faster than I,
I just never had the energy after a race.

Well, like they say, the apple doesn't fall far. Please don't send
your son to beat me up, and have fun screaming at people in a faster
line at Walmart.

Peace!

Scott

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Excuse me all to hell. You didn't strike me as a racer. My bad.

Excuse me also for using this group as a source of information. I thought,
well, mountain-bike group and all....

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>> My son is the racer, or was. He was leading in class points before a
>> recent race. The promoter decided late in the game to add a Short
>> Track race. One mass start was a fustercluck, but my son worked his
>> way through until a backmarker crowded him off the track and out of
>> the
>> race. My son lost it and tackled the guy at the end of the race, but
>> it
>> was broken up by others before a punch was thrown. He was
>> disqualified
>> from the race and the series, as well as every race the promoter
>> runs -
>> which is most of the races on the lower right coast and Florida where
>> he lives. My son has effectively retired from racing. Oh, for the
>> days
>> of AJ Foyt the pit brawler. Dale Earnhart was no slouch either. Oh
>> well, these are the days of political correctness, I guess. He should
>> have kissed and made up.

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> Sounds like the promoter did everyone a favor. If he wants to
> 'tackle',
> he should play football. Everyone else showed up to race bikes and go
> home.

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> Slower riders are a part of the game from beginner to pro and it is
> always the responsibility of the faster rider to make sure the pass
> goes
> smoothly. It's a skill that every successful racer has developed and
> your son should as well.

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He's ridden competitively for 12+ years, and last year turned Pro, so I
guess his passing skills are well practiced. He was again the points
leader in his age group of 41-43.

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You're so full of [censored]. Anyone at the expert or pro level doesn't ride
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age groups so small. That's beginner [censored].

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Greg

If you say so. Perhaps you should notify all mountain bike racers in
Florida. North Carolina, Georgia, Utah, and Arizona are other places he's
raced. They may be different. I'm no expert in the matter. I barely
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I'm curious, if you "barely qualify as rider, and surely not racer",
how you can be so sure Scott isn't a racer?

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How would I know? I just ducked in here out of the cold. I guess Scott
will tell me if he thinks I need to know. Are you a racer?

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My son is the racer, or was. He was leading in class points before a
recent race. The promoter decided late in the game to add a Short Track
race. One mass start was a fustercluck, but my son worked his way
through until a backmarker crowded him off the track and out of the
race. My son lost it and tackled the guy at the end of the race, but it
was broken up by others before a punch was thrown. He was disqualified
from the race and the series, as well as every race the promoter runs -
which is most of the races on the lower right coast and Florida where he
lives. My son has effectively retired from racing. Oh, for the days of
AJ Foyt the pit brawler. Dale Earnhart was no slouch either. Oh well,
these are the days of political correctness, I guess. He should have
kissed and made up.

Sounds like the promoter did everyone a favor. If he wants to 'tackle',
he should play football. Everyone else showed up to race bikes and go
home.

Slower riders are a part of the game from beginner to pro and it is
always the responsibility of the faster rider to make sure the pass goes
smoothly. It's a skill that every successful racer has developed and your
son should as well.

He's ridden competitively for 12+ years, and last year turned Pro, so I
guess his passing skills are well practiced. He was again the points
leader in his age group of 41-43. He's ranked as high as 10th in the
nation. He hollered out, "Passing on your left" and at first the other
rider moved to the right - then suddenly swerved back left as my son began
his pass.

Oh. You got some work to do there, Dad. At his age and level of
competition he needs to understand that no one cares about the results.
It's all about the joys of being fit and able to compete and get to the
STARTING line not the FINISH line.

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>>> My son is the racer, or was. He was leading in class points before a
>>> recent race. The promoter decided late in the game to add a Short
>>> Track race. One mass start was a fustercluck, but my son worked his
>>> way through until a backmarker crowded him off the track and out of
>>> the
>>> race. My son lost it and tackled the guy at the end of the race, but
>>> it
>>> was broken up by others before a punch was thrown. He was
>>> disqualified
>>> from the race and the series, as well as every race the promoter
>>> runs -
>>> which is most of the races on the lower right coast and Florida where
>>> he lives. My son has effectively retired from racing. Oh, for the
>>> days
>>> of AJ Foyt the pit brawler. Dale Earnhart was no slouch either. Oh
>>> well, these are the days of political correctness, I guess. He should
>>> have kissed and made up.

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>> Sounds like the promoter did everyone a favor. If he wants to
>> 'tackle',
>> he should play football. Everyone else showed up to race bikes and go
>> home.

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>> Slower riders are a part of the game from beginner to pro and it is
>> always the responsibility of the faster rider to make sure the pass
>> goes
>> smoothly. It's a skill that every successful racer has developed and
>> your son should as well.

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> He's ridden competitively for 12+ years, and last year turned Pro, soI
> guess his passing skills are well practiced. He was again the points
> leader in his age group of 41-43.

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You're so full of [censored]. Anyone at the expert or pro level doesn't ride
in
age groups so small. That's beginner [censored].

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Greg

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If you say so. Perhaps you should notify all mountain bike racers in
Florida. North Carolina, Georgia, Utah, and Arizona are other places he's
raced. They may be different. I'm no expert in the matter. I barely
qualify as rider, and surely not racer.- Hide quoted text -

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I'm curious, if you "barely qualify as rider, and surely not racer",
how you can be so sure Scott isn't a racer?

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How would I know?  I just ducked in here out of the cold.  I guess Scott
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You're the one who said, and I quote: "However, among the several
things
you ignored or brushed off was my asking opinions of *racers* which
you
clearly are not. Back to Spartacus with you. Good luck. "

My point was that you had just ducked in out of the cold, and clearly
stated that Scott, a racer, is not a racer. He already did let you
know, by the way. Regarding your son, I can understand why he would
have done what he did. I have, in my day, been thrown out of not only
a tournament, but a particular series of tournaments, for life for a
physical foul. I was angry about something my opponent did that I
considered cheap, that was going to interfere with my standing in the
tournament and not his. I kicked him too hard. At the time, I was as
mad at the judges as I was at the kid I was fighting. In retrospect,
in response to his lack of sportsmanship I lost my cool and acted
outside of good form and sportsmanship. I was thrown out, and I
deserved it. It's unfortunate that your son, who made his way to the
expert class, will have less places to race. However, [censored] happens,
and he can't blame anyone but himself.

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>>> My son is the racer, or was. He was leading in class points before a
>>> recent race. The promoter decided late in the game to add a Short
>>> Track race. One mass start was a fustercluck, but my son worked his
>>> way through until a backmarker crowded him off the track and out of
>>> the
>>> race. My son lost it and tackled the guy at the end of the race, but
>>> it
>>> was broken up by others before a punch was thrown. He was
>>> disqualified
>>> from the race and the series, as well as every race the promoter
>>> runs -
>>> which is most of the races on the lower right coast and Florida where
>>> he lives. My son has effectively retired from racing. Oh, for the
>>> days
>>> of AJ Foyt the pit brawler. Dale Earnhart was no slouch either. Oh
>>> well, these are the days of political correctness, I guess. He should
>>> have kissed and made up.

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>> Sounds like the promoter did everyone a favor. If he wants to
>> 'tackle',
>> he should play football. Everyone else showed up to race bikes and go
>> home.

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>> Slower riders are a part of the game from beginner to pro and it is
>> always the responsibility of the faster rider to make sure the pass
>> goes
>> smoothly. It's a skill that every successful racer has developed and
>> your son should as well.

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> He's ridden competitively for 12+ years, and last year turned Pro, soI
> guess his passing skills are well practiced. He was again the points
> leader in his age group of 41-43.

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You're so full of [censored]. Anyone at the expert or pro level doesn't ride
in
age groups so small. That's beginner [censored].

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Greg

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If you say so. Perhaps you should notify all mountain bike racers in
Florida. North Carolina, Georgia, Utah, and Arizona are other places he's
raced. They may be different. I'm no expert in the matter. I barely
qualify as rider, and surely not racer.- Hide quoted text -

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I'm curious, if you "barely qualify as rider, and surely not racer",
how you can be so sure Scott isn't a racer?

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How would I know?  I just ducked in here out of the cold.  I guess Scott
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I started my 1st race in 99 and every racer went by me. They had to
look for me because I was last and late, over do. So every year I got
faster and faster till in 03 I got 1st place and then I retired from
racing with my 1st place medal that hangs on my wall with my number
plates at age 49. I still ride but no race for me. I sit in my arm
chair and watch it on the tube at 54. I