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  1. I've just started walking and need some advice on the choice of clothing
    - searching this NG and the web hasn't thrown up anything of great value.

    I've tried denim jeans but find them too heavy and, once they get damp
    from sweating, tend to stick to the skin which makes climbing stiles
    tricky sometimes. Also tried some jogging pants/tracksuit bottoms which
    were better but I'm not convinced they are tough enough to protect my
    legs when battling brambles and other vegetation on little used paths.

    I seem to sweat quite easily - probably because I try to keep up a good
    pace, not exactly a route march but not a leisurely stroll either. This
    is a big problem when I need to wear waterproofs as I end up nearly as
    wet inside the waterproofs as if I wasn't wearing them when it's
    raining. I guess the obvious answer here is to walk slower when it rains :-)

    I see a lot of clothing that is "breathable" but breathable linings in
    boots was universally decried as marketing hype in the thread "Boots" in
    this NG (I'll not mention my boots then 😉 ), does the same apply to
    clothing?

    I'm not looking to spend a fortune on the very best, just something
    reasonably priced.

    Any advice gratefully received.

    Thanks.

    Parish

  2. Parish said:

    I've just started walking and need some advice on the choice of
    clothing - searching this NG and the web hasn't thrown up anything of
    great value.
    I've tried denim jeans.......

    Useless as you've found out.

    Quoted message said:

    . Also tried some jogging pants/tracksuit bottoms
    which were better but I'm not convinced they are tough enough to
    protect my legs when battling brambles and other vegetation on little used
    paths.

    Many people find jogging pants (or Ron Hill Tracksters) to work just fine.

    If not adequate, try polycotton trousers. Regatta make cheap ones for around
    £20 (I've used these for years when walking, and skiing).

    Consider canvas gators which to protect the lower leg from thorns, etc, plus
    a stick to bash a path.

    Quoted message said:

    is a big problem when I need to wear waterproofs as I end up nearly as
    wet inside the waterproofs as if I wasn't wearing them when it's
    raining.

    Lack of breathing in the waterproof makes them very sweaty :-)

    Quoted message said:

    I see a lot of clothing that is "breathable" but breathable linings in
    boots was universally decried as marketing hype in the thread "Boots"
    in this NG (I'll not mention my boots then 😉 ), does the same apply
    to clothing?

    It usually works. Its not perfect, but breathable membrane clothing works.
    Whereas membranes in boots are often useless to counterproductive (see Boots
    thread).

    You can get a membrane based waterproof, which may get a little sweaty in
    extremes, but if its got ventillation zips, is quite usable. They are
    massively better than non breathable cheap waterproofs. (Gore being the
    most fabric manufacturer, with its various Goretex fabrics, though there are
    others, the fabrics vary in their breathability, and the clothing makers
    vary in how well they design the clothes made with the fabrics). I use the
    very light weight Berghaus Goretex Paclite over trousers and they are very
    good. But only wear them if its actually raining.

    Or there are systems like Paramo which use the body heat to transfer the
    damp to the outside of the fabric. Usually highly recommended by its users,
    but tends to be on the warm side. You use those as the only trousers, they
    keep the rain out and keep you warm. Much more proof against rips (thorns
    or barbs) than membrane fabrics.

    - Nigel

    --
    Nigel Cliffe,
    Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

  3. Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from
    the wonderful person Parish <[email hidden]> said

    Quoted message said:

    I've just started walking and need some advice on the choice of
    clothing - searching this NG and the web hasn't thrown up anything of
    great value.

    I've tried denim jeans but find them too heavy and, once they get damp
    from sweating, tend to stick to the skin which makes climbing stiles
    tricky sometimes. Also tried some jogging pants/tracksuit bottoms which
    were better but I'm not convinced they are tough enough to protect my
    legs when battling brambles and other vegetation on little used paths.

    I seem to sweat quite easily - probably because I try to keep up a good
    pace, not exactly a route march but not a leisurely stroll either. This
    is a big problem when I need to wear waterproofs as I end up nearly as
    wet inside the waterproofs as if I wasn't wearing them when it's
    raining. I guess the obvious answer here is to walk slower when it
    rains :-)

    I see a lot of clothing that is "breathable" but breathable linings in
    boots was universally decried as marketing hype in the thread "Boots"
    in this NG (I'll not mention my boots then 😉 ), does the same apply to
    clothing?

    I'm not looking to spend a fortune on the very best, just something
    reasonably priced.

    I find that LINED Regatta trousers at about £20 a pair are tough enough
    to stop everything except barbed wire, and while the outer layer may get
    wet, the inner doesn't. In summer they're too hot, and the unlined
    version doesn't offer the same protection. If you waterproof them with
    one of the wash-in wax products they do even better - this winter I've
    mostly avoided gaiters and just put up with muddy trouser bottoms (with
    jeans gaiters were de-rigeur). The regatta panys (if you pick the right
    ones) also have all those pockets you know you need (for maps, keys,
    hankies, four man tent, etc.)

    Breathable is an interesting myth. Like you I can sweat buckets wearing
    next to nothing (indeed, shirtless in summer), so there's nothing you
    can put on top which is going to make that any better. Slow down, or
    just put up with being dampish (wicking underwear helps spread it out a
    bit!).

    --
    GSV Three Minds in a Can
    Google may be your friend, but groups.google.com posters definitely aren't.

  4. In message <[email hidden]>

    Nigel Cliffe said:
    Parish said:

    I've just started walking and need some advice on the choice of
    clothing - searching this NG and the web hasn't thrown up anything of
    great value.
    I've tried denim jeans.......

    Useless as you've found out.

    So appears to be general wisdom, but I've nearly always worn them and
    only occasionally been bothered by them. I know there are better
    things, but I'm a bit of an anti-equipment freak. Other than boots and
    waterproofs (which usually stay sat in the sack), I've no special
    clothes for walking.

    --
    Simon Challands

  5. Parish said:

    I've just started walking and need some advice on the choice of clothing
    - searching this NG and the web hasn't thrown up anything of great value.

    I've tried denim jeans but find them too heavy and, once they get damp
    from sweating, tend to stick to the skin which makes climbing stiles
    tricky sometimes. Also tried some jogging pants/tracksuit bottoms which
    were better but I'm not convinced they are tough enough to protect my
    legs when battling brambles and other vegetation on little used paths.

    Broadly speaking you should aim to stay away from natural fibre,
    e.g. cotton (which is what denim is made from) and use man-made
    stuff, e.g. polyester. This is because cotton holds water and,
    when damp, can be uncomfortable and has a strong cooling effect
    that is rarely welcome. Polyester, and most other man-made
    fabrics, don't hold moisture, but let it pass through ('wicking'😉.

    As a rule, then, aim for 100% man-made fibres in t-shirts because
    that's where most of the sweat comes from. You can get away with
    a poly-cotton mix in trousers, but it's best to stick to man-made
    where possible. Legs don't sweat as much as torsos, but are
    exposed to more moisture from the outside, whether rain, damp
    grass, puddles, or whatever, and it's always good to give them the
    best chance to dry out.

    Some people, e.g. me, prefer fairly tight trackster-type trousers
    (say that ten times after a few pints) for freedom of movement,
    others prefer a looser trouser such as you'll find in your local
    Regatta shop. Either will do fine. You can try a cheap pair of
    waterproof overtrousers for the bramble situation - they tend to
    be more slick and the thorns shouldn't catch as easily.

    Quoted message said:

    I seem to sweat quite easily - probably because I try to keep up a good
    pace, not exactly a route march but not a leisurely stroll either. This
    is a big problem when I need to wear waterproofs as I end up nearly as
    wet inside the waterproofs as if I wasn't wearing them when it's
    raining. I guess the obvious answer here is to walk slower when it rains
    :-)

    A 100% waterproof and 100% breathable jacket is the Holy Grail.
    It also doesn't exist. I use Paramo stuff but it ain't cheap, and
    neither is a good GoreTex jacket. A cheaper fabric will be less
    breathable.

    That said, a local outlet sports shop is doing GoreTex Paclite
    anoraks for around £80, which is tempting. Paclite is waterproof
    and breathable and a good choice for summer walks when you're less
    likely to get hours of rain, but they are also less durable than
    more expensive jackets.

    Quoted message said:

    I see a lot of clothing that is "breathable" but breathable linings in
    boots was universally decried as marketing hype in the thread "Boots" in
    this NG (I'll not mention my boots then 😉 ), does the same apply to
    clothing?

    A waterproof lining in boots, e.g. GoreTex, isn't there to let
    moisture out, but to prevent it getting in. My old Scarpa's are
    fabric / suede with a GoreTex lining and they always kept my feet
    dry so it's not so clear cut as some would suggest.

    My new Scarpa's are leather _and_ have a GoreTex lining, and I
    just don't see the point of that at all. But it was still a good
    deal when I got them so I'm not going to worry about it.

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not looking to spend a fortune on the very best, just something
    reasonably priced.

    'Reasonable' can mean so many thing! My own philosophy is don't
    cut corners with boots and a waterproof jackets, everything else
    is negotiable.

    Colin

  6. "Parish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've just started walking and need some advice on the choice of clothing -
    searching this NG and the web hasn't thrown up anything of great value.

    What everydody else said - cotton is hopeless.

    I see Gaiters got a mention - never thought I'd have the courage to wear
    them
    ......amazingly useful - I'm on lightweight ankle gaiters now from here
    http://www.fieldandtrek.com/src/TD/category-category-FOOTGATO.htm
    and these trousers
    http://tinyurl.com/lvcms
    T shirts here
    http://tinyurl.com/lvcms

  7. Whilst perambulating through uk.rec.walking
    I noticed Chris Oates <[email hidden]>
    had opined on Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:47:00 +0100
    in <news:[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    What everydody else said - cotton is hopeless.

    <wistful...>

    Where is Adny?

    --
    It is easier to get forgiveness than permission.

  8. Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from Chris Oates
    contained the following:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've just started walking and need some advice on the choice of clothing -
    searching this NG and the web hasn't thrown up anything of great value.

    What everydody else said - cotton is hopeless.

    I like cotton. Can't stand the feel of polyester next to my skin.

    Poly cotton trousers are great though.

    --
    Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
    It's only Usenet, no one dies.
    My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
    Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/

  9. Parish said:

    I see a lot of clothing that is "breathable" but breathable linings in
    boots was universally decried as marketing hype in the thread "Boots" in
    this NG (I'll not mention my boots then 😉 ), does the same apply to
    clothing?

    Problem with linings in boots is you're stuck with them 100% of the
    time, and if they start leaking then you need to replace the whole boot
    to get waterproof again. Not such an issue with a jacket: if it stops
    raining you just take it off.

    Breathable fabrics for waterproofs are a Big Win. They're far from
    perfect but those of us old enough to remember hiking in non-porus PU
    coated nylon jackets know that they still represent a very big improvement.
    If it isn't too windy and you're not in dense vegetation, umbrellas are
    really good. They seem to be frowned on by a lot of folk but I've spent
    more than one day on the hill where a good brolly kept me significantly
    drier than several hundred quids' worth of Goretex kept others about me.
    Think with brollies is you do need a jacket in reserve in case the
    wind gets up, so you carry more.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  10. Parish said:

    I've just started walking and need some advice on the choice of clothing
    - searching this NG and the web hasn't thrown up anything of great value.

    I've tried denim jeans but find them too heavy and, once they get damp
    from sweating, tend to stick to the skin which makes climbing stiles
    tricky sometimes. Also tried some jogging pants/tracksuit bottoms which
    were better but I'm not convinced they are tough enough to protect my
    legs when battling brambles and other vegetation on little used paths.

    I seem to sweat quite easily - probably because I try to keep up a good
    pace, not exactly a route march but not a leisurely stroll either. This
    is a big problem when I need to wear waterproofs as I end up nearly as
    wet inside the waterproofs as if I wasn't wearing them when it's
    raining. I guess the obvious answer here is to walk slower when it rains
    :-)

    I see a lot of clothing that is "breathable" but breathable linings in
    boots was universally decried as marketing hype in the thread "Boots" in
    this NG (I'll not mention my boots then 😉 ), does the same apply to
    clothing?

    I'm not looking to spend a fortune on the very best, just something
    reasonably priced.

    Any advice gratefully received.

    Thanks.

    Parish

    I've got a pair of cheap Regatta walking trousers and a pair of
    the same in shorts. Both are fine.

    I also have a pair of Crag Hopper walking trousers that I picked
    up in the sales a couple of years ago that are better. They're
    made of something they call, from memory, Solar Dry. If they get
    wet five minutes in a breeze is enough to dry them out. I do
    carry waterproof over trousers but only wear them if it's raining
    hard and doesn't look like stopping.

    I have a breathable Regatta walking jacket that I wear over a
    fleece in the winter and on its own in the spring and autumn. It
    was a cheap replacement for a very expensive Berghaus Gortex
    jacket that got stolen from a pub. That was 10 years ago, I am so
    pleased with it I never got round to buying a 'better' one. It's
    looking very scruffy these days but it's still waterproof.

    --
    Regards

    Nick

  11. Nick Mason said:

    I also have a pair of Crag Hopper walking trousers that I picked
    up in the sales a couple of years ago that are better. They're
    made of something they call, from memory, Solar Dry. If they get
    wet five minutes in a breeze is enough to dry them out.

    I had some of them - well technically I still do have them, I just
    cannot fit in them at the moment - and I was walking with a mate
    and we encountered a huge downpour. I didn't have any waterproof
    over-trousers so my legs got absolutely soaked. He was laughing
    at how wet they were until the rain stopped and in five to ten
    minutes they were dry again.

    --
    Andy Leighton => [email hidden]
    "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
    - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

  12. FWIW,
    I have only been walking for a little over a year properly, and I didn't
    want to spend the earth either.
    I bought:

    Boots: Brasher Hillmasters (leather), I think I paid about £90 for them.
    People seem to have mixed opinions on them (mainly to do with durability),
    but I like them and for a first proper pair of boots they are doing just
    fine. Been up Snowdon and Ben Nevis and I had no probs at all.

    Jacket: Berghaus Cornice II, got this for approx £100 on ebay, but expect to
    pay £125-£150 for it. Seems a lot but it's very waterproof (I've been out
    in some absolute downpours!), seems well put together. Only problem with it
    is it lacks pockets, but I compromised here. It's not a problem really
    though.

    T-shirt: Berghaus Tech-T (I think), paid about £20. Non-cotton so wicks
    well.

    Socks: Bridgedales (Ascent/Light Hike): about £9-10 each.

    Trousers: Columbia "something or other" from Blacks, paid about £40. Much
    better than jeans. When they get wet they don't cling and they dry out very
    quickly.

    Personally I'd recommend all this kit. It may seem like a lot but most of
    it should last years if cared for!

    R.

    "Parish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've just started walking and need some advice on the choice of clothing -
    searching this NG and the web hasn't thrown up anything of great value.

    I've tried denim jeans but find them too heavy and, once they get damp
    from sweating, tend to stick to the skin which makes climbing stiles
    tricky sometimes. Also tried some jogging pants/tracksuit bottoms which
    were better but I'm not convinced they are tough enough to protect my legs
    when battling brambles and other vegetation on little used paths.

    I seem to sweat quite easily - probably because I try to keep up a good
    pace, not exactly a route march but not a leisurely stroll either. This is
    a big problem when I need to wear waterproofs as I end up nearly as wet
    inside the waterproofs as if I wasn't wearing them when it's raining. I
    guess the obvious answer here is to walk slower when it rains :-)

    I see a lot of clothing that is "breathable" but breathable linings in
    boots was universally decried as marketing hype in the thread "Boots" in
    this NG (I'll not mention my boots then 😉 ), does the same apply to
    clothing?

    I'm not looking to spend a fortune on the very best, just something
    reasonably priced.

    Any advice gratefully received.

    Thanks.

    Parish

  13. Richard Phillips said:

    T-shirt: Berghaus Tech-T (I think), paid about £20. Non-cotton so wicks
    well.

    While it's certainly the case that cotton soaks up moisture and is thus
    usually a poor base-layer for UK use, it doesn't follow that being
    anything /other/ than cotton is necessarily good at wicking moisture away.

    Any of the stuff sold as wicking base-layers should be fine though.

    As well as base layer T-shirts it is, IMHO, worth getting underwear in a
    similar fabric. Why get all this fancy gear if your bum'll be damp all
    day in M&S's finest cotton (because if it gets wet it won't dry unless
    there's a heatwave going on)

    Quoted message said:

    Socks: Bridgedales (Ascent/Light Hike): about £9-10 each.

    Presumably you mean for each /pair/... ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    Trousers: Columbia "something or other" from Blacks, paid about £40. Much
    better than jeans. When they get wet they don't cling and they dry out very
    quickly.

    As long as you're not dealing with sharp undergrowth or wintery
    conditions I've yet to find any "proper" walking trousers that are
    particularly better than a pair of trackie bottoms which cost
    considerably less, as long as you don't feel a need for lots of secure
    pockets.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  14. "Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Richard Phillips said:

    T-shirt: Berghaus Tech-T (I think), paid about £20. Non-cotton so wicks
    well.

    While it's certainly the case that cotton soaks up moisture and is thus
    usually a poor base-layer for UK use, it doesn't follow that being
    anything /other/ than cotton is necessarily good at wicking moisture away.

    Any of the stuff sold as wicking base-layers should be fine though.

    Agreed. I can only speak for my T-shirt, it is much better than cotton for
    any activity, e.g. jogging, squash etc.

    Quoted message said:

    As well as base layer T-shirts it is, IMHO, worth getting underwear in a
    similar fabric. Why get all this fancy gear if your bum'll be damp all
    day in M&S's finest cotton (because if it gets wet it won't dry unless
    there's a heatwave going on)

    This is a good point. Can you get kegs in this material?! Might be cheaper
    to just go commando :-p

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Socks: Bridgedales (Ascent/Light Hike): about £9-10 each.

    Presumably you mean for each /pair/... ;-)

    Per pair in my shop anyway!

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Trousers: Columbia "something or other" from Blacks, paid about £40.
    Much better than jeans. When they get wet they don't cling and they dry
    out very quickly.

    As long as you're not dealing with sharp undergrowth or wintery conditions
    I've yet to find any "proper" walking trousers that are particularly
    better than a pair of trackie bottoms which cost considerably less, as
    long as you don't feel a need for lots of secure pockets.

    Well, I would have probably spent at least half that on decent trackies.
    I'm not too bothered about pockets (though they look nice 😉 ), my trousers
    are convertible though so I can take the legs off if I want. I found this
    very useful in New York last year... my mates were all looking hot and
    uncomfortable wearing jeans, I was there in my shorts. Then when we got
    lost in Brooklyn and missed our bus, as afternoon turned to evening and it
    started getting a bit cold, I just whipped the legs out of my pockets and
    zipped them on.
    Was worth a few £ 🙂
    (I know there are people who don't like the seam on their thigh, pros and
    cons with everything though)

    R.

    Quoted message said:

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  15. GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

    I find that LINED Regatta trousers at about £20 a pair are tough enough
    to stop everything except barbed wire, and while the outer layer may get
    wet, the inner doesn't.

    Sounds worth looking at. When I bought mine (Peter Storm from Millets)
    there was a lined version that the sales guy said were intended (or
    could be) be worn on their own. Should have bought those instead I guess.

    Quoted message said:

    The regatta panys (if you pick the right
    ones) also have all those pockets you know you need (for maps, keys,
    hankies, four man tent, etc.)

    I try to keep as little as possible in my pants pockets; the more you
    have in the pockets the tighter you need you belt which can get
    uncomfortable I find.

    Quoted message said:

    Breathable is an interesting myth. Like you I can sweat buckets wearing
    next to nothing (indeed, shirtless in summer), so there's nothing you
    can put on top which is going to make that any better. Slow down, or
    just put up with being dampish (wicking underwear helps spread it out a
    bit!).

    Well it's getting to be shorts weather now anyway; just need to walk
    more in open country (there's plenty round here in wiltshire) to avoid
    cut legs.

    Thanks for the advice.

    Parish

  16. "Parish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    GSV Three Minds in a Can said:

    I find that LINED Regatta trousers at about £20 a pair are tough enough
    to stop everything except barbed wire, and while the outer layer may get
    wet, the inner doesn't.

    Sounds worth looking at. When I bought mine (Peter Storm from Millets)
    there was a lined version that the sales guy said were intended (or could
    be) be worn on their own. Should have bought those instead I guess.

    Quoted message said:

    The regatta panys (if you pick the right ones) also have all those
    pockets you know you need (for maps, keys, hankies, four man tent, etc.)

    I try to keep as little as possible in my pants pockets; the more you have
    in the pockets the tighter you need you belt which can get uncomfortable I
    find.

    I try to keep my pockets empty because I find that when hiking up steeper
    slopes, having stuff in the pockets causes the trouser to become tighter
    around the thigh.

    R.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Breathable is an interesting myth. Like you I can sweat buckets wearing
    next to nothing (indeed, shirtless in summer), so there's nothing you can
    put on top which is going to make that any better. Slow down, or just put
    up with being dampish (wicking underwear helps spread it out a bit!).

    Well it's getting to be shorts weather now anyway; just need to walk more
    in open country (there's plenty round here in wiltshire) to avoid cut
    legs.

    Thanks for the advice.

    Parish

  17. Colin MacDonald said:

    Broadly speaking you should aim to stay away from natural fibre,
    e.g. cotton (which is what denim is made from) and use man-made
    stuff, e.g. polyester. This is because cotton holds water and,
    when damp, can be uncomfortable and has a strong cooling effect
    that is rarely welcome. Polyester, and most other man-made
    fabrics, don't hold moisture, but let it pass through ('wicking'😉.

    That's interesting. Most advice I've seen (in the context of
    holidays/travel in warmer climes) is to avoid man-made as it makes you
    sweat and stick to natural fibres like cotton and linen.

    Quoted message said:

    Some people, e.g. me, prefer fairly tight trackster-type trousers
    (say that ten times after a few pints) for freedom of movement,
    others prefer a looser trouser such as you'll find in your local
    Regatta shop. Either will do fine. You can try a cheap pair of
    waterproof overtrousers for the bramble situation - they tend to
    be more slick and the thorns shouldn't catch as easily.

    I've been wondering whether loose fitting or tight trousers would be
    best. I would imagine that tight fitting ones tend to be stretchier and
    act like a second skin so don't restrict movement and, being in close
    contact with the skin wick moisture away very effectievly, whereas loose
    fitting ones need to made of (or lined with) a material that doesn't
    stick to you when you sweat so restricting movement.

    Quoted message said:

    A waterproof lining in boots, e.g. GoreTex, isn't there to let
    moisture out, but to prevent it getting in. My old Scarpa's are
    fabric / suede with a GoreTex lining and they always kept my feet
    dry so it's not so clear cut as some would suggest.

    My new Scarpa's are leather _and_ have a GoreTex lining, and I
    just don't see the point of that at all. But it was still a good
    deal when I got them so I'm not going to worry about it.

    Ah, I thought it was to let moisture out - well, draw it away from you
    skin at least.

    Quoted message said:

    'Reasonable' can mean so many thing! My own philosophy is don't
    cut corners with boots and a waterproof jackets, everything else
    is negotiable.

    Yes, it's a bit difficult to quantify 'reasonable' but I would say that,
    for my current requirements, £80 for an anorak (like the GoreTex Paclite
    you mentioned, is a bit more than I'd like to pay. I guess it's a case
    of finding a good compromise which, hopefully, all the advice I've got
    here will allow me to do.

    Regards,

    Parish

  18. Chris Oates said:

    and these trousers
    http://tinyurl.com/lvcms

    I've seen those in Millets - same price but only in Navy whereas F&T
    only do them in Bark and I'd prefer a lighter colour (bit cooler in summer).

    They have the same problem as gaiters and waterproof over-trousers and
    that is that you need to take your boots off to put them on and take
    them off.

    Quoted message said:

    T shirts here
    http://tinyurl.com/lvcms

    That's the same link as the one above - can you repost the link to the
    T-shorts please?

    Regards,

    Parish

  19. Peter Clinch said:

    As long as you're not dealing with sharp undergrowth or wintery
    conditions I've yet to find any "proper" walking trousers that are
    particularly better than a pair of trackie bottoms which cost
    considerably less, as long as you don't feel a need for lots of secure
    pockets.

    I find the basic Ron Hills by far the best for walking - they're
    comfortable, windproof and dry quickly. The main problem I have is that
    there isn't a pocket for a nose tissue - when I'm out in the hills I
    find my nose runs a lot!

    Jim Ford

  20. Richard Phillips said:

    This is a good point. Can you get kegs in this material?!

    Yes. I've got various from Rohan, Helly Hansen, Patagonia and Lowe and
    the catalogues sport quite a few more options besides. As with usual
    undies find a style and cut you like (briefs, trunks and boxers are all
    available).

    Quoted message said:

    Might be cheaper to just go commando :-p

    Certainly cheaper, though not necessarily more comfortable...

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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