Newbie and Sleepingbag Question

Robin E. C. said:

1) how effective is a Thermarest Prolite 3 regular as
compared to a full-length karrimat (for 3 seasons use)

There's karrimats and there's karrimats, not all are
equal. But for 3 season use I'd think the T-rest will do
the business thermally, and it will be more comfortable
than a foam mat.

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2) has anyone seen/used/experience of the Pro-Action
lightweight 'EULIN' fibre sleeping bag. It looks quite
light and a very good price but I can't find any
reviews on opinions in search engines. What is 'EULIN'
fibre?

Don't know, but probably some generic hollow fibre. Not that
that's a bad thing, mind. For three season use lots of
people have got away with dire terylene square bags, so most
of the things gear junkies like me use are over specified.
Having said that, if you want compact and light then you
want down, and if you're looking at state of the art mats
you might as well get a bag to match.

Pete.
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Hi All. Firstly many thanks for weeks of informaton - I've
been lurking around for some time! The subjects, opinions
and information covered in this group is truly
enlightening. I have been following the Argos tent debate
with interest as I'm the proud (and satisfied) owner of
one. Also the self-inflating sleeping mat discussion.

Now I have two questions:

1) how effective is a Thermarest Prolite 3 regular as
compared to a full-length karrimat (for 3 seasons use)

2) has anyone seen/used/experience of the Pro-Action
lightweight 'EULIN' fibre sleeping bag. It looks quite
light and a very good price but I can't find any
reviews on opinions in search engines. What is 'EULIN'
fibre?

Any assistance would be gratefully received. Robin

I found this on Google
sportsmansguide.comcb.aspOpen ↗ It looks
like some fancy microfibre thingy.

Stick eulin fiber into google for a good number of links.
It looks like an American product, so don't forget to
mispell fibre!!

Dave

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There's karrimats and there's karrimats, not all are
equal. But for 3 season use I'd think the T-rest will do
the business thermally, and it will be more comfortable
than a foam mat.

A Ridgerest might be worth considering for 3 season use (but
see my earlier posting on them). They are much lighter and
cheaper and almost as comfortable as a Thermarest.

Regards: Jim Ford

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2) has anyone seen/used/experience of the Pro-Action
lightweight 'EULIN' fibre sleeping bag. It looks
quite light and a very good price but I can't find
any reviews on opinions in search engines. What is
'EULIN' fibre?

Quoted message said:

I found this on Google
sportsmansguide.comcb.aspOpen ↗ It looks
like some fancy microfibre thingy.

Stick eulin fiber into google for a good number of links.
It looks like an American product, so don't forget to
mispell fibre!!

Dave

Thanks, have done that and obtained some info but nothing
that helps me make a decision. The s/b I'm looking at is the
Pro Action Ultralite 1000 (in the Argos catalogue). It's
spec includes statement that it has 150 gsm and is rated to
O.0 C for 'comfort'.

I have checked a bag out and it 'seems' to be made to a
reasonable standard. There is very VERY little loft but that
appears, from the other sites I did find, to be a feature of
Eulin fibre (sorry fiber!)

Any more infor out there please....

Robin E. C.

Robin E. C. said:

The s/b I'm looking at is the Pro Action Ultralite 1000
(in the Argos catalogue). It's spec includes statement
that it has 150 gsm and is rated to O.0 C for 'comfort'.

gsm is grammes per square meter of insulation IIRC. That
doesn't tell you very much except how much they've used.

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I have checked a bag out and it 'seems' to be made to a
reasonable standard. There is very VERY little loft but
that appears, from the other sites I did find, to be a
feature of Eulin fibre (sorry fiber!)

I don't know how it's meant to work, but most insulation
works by trapping air, and it's /still/ air that actually
does the insulation, not what is sold as the "insulation".
If there's little loft then that suggests relatively little
air trapping, which in turn suggests quite possibly not too
hot. But I don't know for sure, and it may well be hot
/enough/ for 3 season use.

Note that temperature ratings, especially on very cheap
bags, are largely marketing fiction. I recall Argos once had
a sleeping bag with 500g of nondescript hollow fibre fill
that was rated down to -15, a better rating than my ME
Lightline with 550g of very good goose down and a technical
shell that enhances the loft. So I wouldn't believe this one

Pete.
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33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177
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Robin E. C. said:

The s/b I'm looking at is the Pro Action Ultralite 1000
(in the Argos catalogue). It's spec includes statement
that it has 150 gsm and is rated to O.0 C for 'comfort'.

gsm is grammes per square meter of insulation IIRC. That
doesn't tell you very much except how much they've used.

Quoted message said:

I have checked a bag out and it 'seems' to be made to a
reasonable standard. There is very VERY little loft but
that appears, from the other sites I did find, to be a
feature of Eulin fibre (sorry fiber!)

I don't know how it's meant to work, but most insulation
works by trapping air, and it's /still/ air that actually
does the insulation, not what is sold as the "insulation".
If there's little loft then that suggests relatively
little air trapping, which in turn suggests quite possibly
not too hot. But I don't know for sure, and it may well be
hot /enough/ for 3 season use.

Note that temperature ratings, especially on very cheap
bags, are largely marketing fiction. I recall Argos once
had a sleeping bag with 500g of nondescript hollow fibre
fill that was rated down to -15, a better rating than my
ME Lightline with 550g of very good goose down and a
technical shell that enhances the loft. So I wouldn't
believe this one

Pete.

Can I just add a comment here please......

Hi Robin....I have used an 'Ultralite 1000' for about 4
months and found it to be good. I have to say that I don't
indulge in high level usage as hills (or mountains for that
matter) are a litle difficult to find in my marshes (Gedney
Marsh and the Was flatlands) or along the river paths I tend
to walk. I have however used the bag once when the
temperature was -4 C and I was comfortably warm and snug. I
see what Pete has said above and generally have to concur
but this 'EULIN' fiber seems to be something again. It is
claimed to duplicate the properties of duck down....... I
don't know why or how or even whether it does, but I can
only say I have been satisfied with the performance of my
bag. On the above occassion at the -4 C camp I had no
additional cover (only a Buff on my head but the rest of me
was 'buff'😉 but did use a Thermarest Lite 3 regular sleeping
mat (in a Pro-A tent!!) Incidentally the report/review at
one of the above mentioned links refers to usage of the S/B
is sub zero temperatures, but this was NOT a Ultralite 1000
and had a fillig weight of only 50 gsm. For what it's worth
I offer the above as my opinion only.

John S-M

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Hi Robin....I have used an 'Ultralite 1000' for about 4
months and found it to be good. I have to say that I don't
indulge in high level usage as hills (or mountains for
that matter) are a litle difficult to find in my marshes
(Gedney Marsh and the Was flatlands) or along the river
paths I tend to walk. I have however used the bag once
when the

A TR of a walk in your region would be interesting and a
change from the usual hills. I've commented before what a
strange area Gedney Marsh is and can't imagine camping there
- high water mark seems to be somewhere in Cambridgeshire,
and low water nearer Belgium ;^}

Regards: Jim Ford