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  1. I bought a cheap learning unicycle a few years ago and have
    ridden it off and on. I can ride forwards on flat ground
    until my legs fall off. I can idle a little bit, go
    backwards a little bit, ride off a curb.

    A few questions. What is "trials?" "freestyle?"

    I would like to get a decent unicycle. I have a Savage right
    now. I am thinking a 24." Maybe another 20". I am still
    definately learning. But I don't know what the difference
    between the different style are. I won't be riding offroad
    too much so I don't want a Muni. yet.

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  3. Rayden said:

    A few questions. What is "trials?" "freestyle?"

    (Excerpts from Andrew Carter's "Learning to Unicycle"
    document)

    Freestyle is the oldest specific style of unicycling which
    involves performing a variety of skills and tricks on a
    unicycle. Freestyle unicycles, generally 20", have
    relatively slick tyres and often short cranks and a flat
    crown. The crown is where the frame splits into the two fork
    legs and many freestyle riders prefer this to be flat for
    more advanced skills. Artistic freestyle routines are a key
    element of many unicycling competitions.

    Trials unicycling, another reasonably new style, involves a
    lot of hopping up onto, between, and down from objects and
    riding in situations where there is very little room for
    error such as on a narrow beam. Trials unicycles generally
    have very strong wheels and wide tyres that can be run at a
    very low pressure for extra bounce.

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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    are not normal. - John Childs

  4. You could hardly do worse than a Savage, a name which
    describes the saddle better than anything. The Torker line
    of unicycles seems to be the best of the entry level types.
    The standard Torkers have a flat crown for one-footed skills
    important in freestyle unicycling. A 20" is recommended for
    freestyle skill development. Check out the 10 skill levels
    on the USA or IUF websites.

    There are some cheapo Torkers good for intro trials riding,
    too. Trials riding is hopping onto and off of objects in
    your path or running stairs, riding along elevated and
    skinny things, using your pedals and cranks to land on or
    grind on, and crazy stuff like that. The galleries here
    have loads of short videos of people doing trials riding
    that is exceptional. If you watch some of them you will
    quickly see that trials unicycles are asked to endure
    tremendous forces. The Torkers that are OK for intro trials
    stuff are the UniStar and some other one that even has a
    splined axle/crank set. A 20" wheel is also recommended for
    trials riding.

    For general, all around riding, just get a Torker standard
    24" or the more rugged UniStar 24". Be warned that the
    standard Torker line used to come (and may still come) with
    a child size saddle that is completely useless for adult
    sized tushes. A saddle upgrade to a Viscount or, better, a
    Velo would be in order in this case.

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    harper - Old dog, no tricks

    -Greg Harper

    B L U E S H I F T

    "I hope to be a 90 year old guy who rides his unicycle to the store for
    whiskey and condoms." -J.D. Miller

    "Old people give me money, because I deliver their paper!" -
    James_Potter

    "Who needs fancy words and poetic prose to describe a ride when you have
    photos?"- JC

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  5. Welcome to the forum. You will find a lot of good
    information from some incredible unicyclists. Some you will
    find to be very helpful.

    I think we all go through the questions you are asking.
    Ultimately you will end up buying a unicycle to fit your
    mood it seems. I just got my 4th and I have only been
    unicycling less than a year. All the different styles are
    fun and challenging in its own way. I am not really the best
    qualified to answer your questions, but I am sure one of the
    more experienced and verbose will chime in.

    --
    bugman - Equilibrium Challenged

    "Trying to maintain balance by wild arm and body motions is something
    like trying to balance a wet noodle"
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  6. The best entry level unicycles are the Torker Unistart LX models.
    'Torker Unistar LX 20-inch'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp)
    'Torker Unistar LX 24-inch'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp)
    They're solid unicycles and at under $100 they are a great deal. They
    do come with short seatposts so you may have to spend an additional $22
    for a 'GB4 Universal 400mm Seat Post'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp).

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  7. this has helped. i know a bit more.

    So what are the differences in these unicycles?

    'Torker Unistar LX'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp) $99

    'Nimbus II '
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp) $144

    'Nimbus Trials'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp) $169

    'Yuni Journeyman'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp) $171

    'Semcycle LX Standard'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp) $165

    'Miyata Standard'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp) $198

    Or any unicycle I missed in that pricerange. Basically I'm
    asking what makes one different than another and what do I
    get from spending more?

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  8. What do you get for the extra money? Well, it varies depending on how
    much extra money, but let's work up from the ground:

    Tyre. The fatter the tyre, the better, for most
    applications. Good quality tyres will improve the steering
    of the unicycle. Fat tyres will aid hopping, bouncing and
    dropping. There are different qualities of inner tube, too.

    Rim. A cheap rim will be heavy and not very strong. Or
    it will be steel which will be pretty strong, but
    usually badly made and prone to rust. An aluminium alloy
    rim will be lighter by comparison. The strongest rims
    have a box section. Rims can be pierced for different
    numbers of spokes. 36 is standard, but some have fewer
    and some have more.

    Spokes. Yes, it does make a difference to the weight and
    strength as well as the cosmetic appearance.

    Hub. There are different qualities as well as weights. The
    most obvious difference is that very good hubs are usually
    splined, which means that the ends of the axle are shaped
    like cogs, so that the cranks are held in line more
    securely, and the hub is less likely to be damaged by sudden
    applications of extreme force - maybe by a drop.

    Wheel build. Most cheap wheels are factory built by
    machine. better ones are hand finished. the really good
    ones are hand built which is labour intensive. A well built
    wheel will be stronger and more durable. It will stay
    straight ('true'😉 for longer,and absorb greater forces
    without breaking a spoke.

    Cranks. At the very cheap end you get cottered cranks, which
    have an unsightly and vulnerable soft steel cotter pin
    holding them on. Most mid range cranks are fitted with a
    cotterless system with a concealed nut or bolt. The best are
    splined, but need to go with a splined hub.

    And the cranks can be steel or aluminium alloy, solid or
    hollow, heavy or light, nicely finished or crude. Some
    designs are available in a range of lengths, whereas the
    cheap ones only come in one or two lengths. The length of
    the cranks is the single easiest thing to change if you
    'tune' your unicycle to optimise it for a particular style
    of riding.

    Pedals. Good pedals give good grip for your feet and make a
    huge diffeence to your power and control.

    Bearing holders. These are at the very bottom of the forks.
    The cheapest are so-called 'lollipop' holders with a short
    stick which pokes up the hollow end of the fork. They are
    held in place with two screws or bolts each. They can be
    wobbly, and can damage the forks.

    Pashley unicycles use something similar to a lollipop, but
    better designed. They can be difficult to remove if you need
    to change the tyre.

    Most good quality unicycles have 'main cap' bearing holders.
    these look like a C lying on its back and they are held in
    place with two bolts. These holders or 'clamps' can be
    pressed steel or (better) machined. Machined ones are
    stronger. This style of bearing holder makes changing the
    tyre easy, and the bolts are easy to adjust.

    The bearings. Can be sealed, semi sealed, or not
    sealed at all.

    The frame. Different qualities and diameters of tube. Some
    are nicely shaped. Others are just cut from cylindrical
    tube. The fork can have a lugged crown or a lugless crown.
    There are cosmetic and practical differences to the various
    shapes of crown.

    Seat clamp. The cheapest can be a hazard. They have sharp
    bits that gash your leg. The best sort has 2 Allen bolts and
    looks smart whilst being very secure. Some need an Allen key
    to adjust. Others have a cam action lever for quick
    adjustment.

    Seat post. Different diameters (must be compatable with the
    frame) give different weights and different strengths.
    Different types have different tops allowing more or less
    adjustment of the position and angle of the seat.

    Seat. Lots of different qualities and styles. Comfort is the
    biggest factor. Good seats have bumpers which can be
    replaced when they get badly battered by repeated falls.
    Some bumpers are held in place with screws; others use nuts
    and bolts - much better. Some seats have carbon fibre bases
    and are lighter and stronger. Some have removable covers,
    allowing for customisation, such as putting an air pillow
    underneath.

    Handle. When you get good enough to hold a handle when
    riding, a handle can give you greater torque, and greater
    control on difficult terrain. Some handles are moulded into
    the seat; some are plastic extensions to the seat; others
    are metal items, strong but crude, which are great for MUni.

    I don't suppose that's everything, and some people will
    disagree with some of the details of what I've said.
    However, a quick tour of the unicycle from the ground up
    shows that there can be significant differences between
    every component on two superficially similar unicycles.

    But how does this affect you? Well, it really depends how
    far you want to push your riding. For comparison, I ride on
    and off road, sometimes 30 or 40 miles in a day (although
    usually nearer to 10 - 15 miles), and I make sure that all
    my unicycles have the right length of cranks, and good seats
    and pedals. I have a good metal handle on my MUni, and a
    Miyata plastic handle on my road machine. I've fitted a good
    fattish tyre to my MUni. All my main machines have
    speed/trip computers. I've never spent the extra for a
    splined hub, but I don't do big jumps and drops and I've
    never broken a crank or hub.

    So don't automatically assume that you need the best of
    everything. In fact, I think it's better to buy a reasonable
    machine, upgrade and customise it, and find out what style
    suits you best. Then you can design the perfect machine for
    your preferred use.

    Or buy several. ;0)

    --
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    Sometimes I ride like a demon, sometimes like a lemon. It's an L of a
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  9. Rayden said:

    *So what are the differences in these unicycles?

    'Torker Unistar LX'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp) $99

    'Nimbus II '
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp) $144

    'Nimbus Trials'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp) $169

    'Yuni Journeyman'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp) $171

    'Semcycle LX Standard'
    (unicycle.comshopexd.asp) $165

    'Miyata Standard' (unicycle.comshopping
    /shopexd.asp?id=45) $198 *

    The Torker LX is a great unicycle for the money, but not
    what you want if you are going to do any serious muning or
    trials, but good enough for anything you are likely to do at
    this point. For trials and muning you need a wide bouncy
    tire and this frame isn't wide enough to accomodate a wide
    tire. I recommend this unicycle to anyone who asks me what
    unicycle to buy for general use. This uni has a miyata style
    seat which is the best general seat in my opinion and good
    for doing freestyle. I recommend going for a seat with a handle--
    although it can get in the way for a few tricks. It's only
    drawback is that there isn't a whole lot of padding, but you
    can convert it to a air seat if you need a really comfy
    seat. Personally I don't like the painted black frame
    because paint scratches easier than chrome and can fade
    under strong sun. If you are going to leave your uni outside
    in the rain, a chrome frame is better.

    The Nimbus Freestyle has a better tire and a stronger wheel
    than the Torker LX which is important if you want to do
    drops of more than 2 feet and don't want your wheel to taco.
    This uni has a Kris Holm style seat which many people regard
    as the best seat on the market because it has a lot more
    padding than a miyata style seat and is a lot more
    comfortable for riding long distances (although you can't
    convert this to an air seat). Personally, KH style seats
    cause me to have crotch pain, because they have too much of
    a curve so they crunch my genitalia. Most people rave about
    this seat however so I don't think that many people have my
    problem with this seat. Wide frame on this unicycle will
    accomodate a wider tire if you decide to get serious about
    muni or trials, but people who are really into freestyle say
    that the wide frame is annoying because you knock your knees
    on the crown when trying to do tricks.

    The nimbus trials has stronger cranks, and a wider tire
    for trials and muning, but basically the same as the
    freestyle model.

    The Yuni uses the same frame as the nimbus, but has a
    cheaper seat (although still very good) and weaker rims
    (although being built by Kovachi means it will be a quality
    built wheel). The Nimbus is a better deal than the Yuni in
    my opinion. Since I have never ridden a Nimbus or a Yuni,
    take my opinion with a grain of salt.

    The Miyata and semcycle XL are great freestyle unicycles
    and they were what everyone was riding 8 years ago when I
    learned to unicycle, but they are pricey nowadays when
    compared to the mass-produced Torkers made in China. Like
    the Torker, you can't put a wide tire on them because
    their frame is too narrow and none of these unicycle where
    designed for the abuse of serious trials. I own a Torker,
    learned to ride on a semcycle XL and have ridden a Miyata.
    For freestyle all 3 are fine. If I had the choice between
    the semcycle XL and the Torker, I would go with the Torker
    because the Torker is just as sturdy but has a better
    seat. However, if you like a chrome frame, go with the
    semcycle XL.

    The miyata is unavailable right now, but is considered
    slightly better than the semcycle XL and the Torker. It has
    a stronger hub than the semcycle XL and Torker. Its frame is
    made of molybdendum steel, so I would guess that it is also
    probably stronger. The complaints that I have heard about
    Miyatas is that the wheels aren't built to stand up to
    serious abuse and my friend broke the cranks on his miyata
    from just doing hopping.

    I'm not sure that all of this answers your question very
    clearly. Basically what you buy depends on what you want to
    use your unicycle for. All of these unicycles are fine for
    most general use. If you are thinking about doing abusive
    things like riding your uni down 3 foot drops, then
    sturdiness becomes really important. Here is how I would
    rank them in terms of sturdiness going from weakest to
    strongest:

    1. Torker LX, Semcycle XL
    2. Miyata
    3. Yuni Journeyman
    4. Nimbus Freestyle
    5. Nimbus Trials

    Hope that helps clarify things. It sounds like you really
    can't go wrong with any of these unicycles since you aren't
    looking to do trials or muni right now. --Amos

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  10. Also I just noticed that the picture at unicycle.com for
    Torker Unistar LX 24-inch is wrong--I think they are showing
    the DX model, not the LX model. Which is another thing that
    you need to think about. Don't buy the Torker LX if you want
    to practice one-foot or zero feet riding skills. The rounded
    crown on the LX doesn't give you a place to rest your feet.
    Also you need to think about whether other people will want
    to ride your uni. If you are going to let other people try
    out your uni, a quick release for the seat post is really
    handy to readjust the seat height. Although quickreleases
    don't hold the seat post as tightly, I find them to be
    essential because people are constantly asking to give my
    uni a whirl.

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  11. Amos_And_Ego said:

    *Also I just noticed that the picture at unicycle.com for
    Torker Unistar LX 24-inch is wrong--I think they are
    showing the DX model, not the LX model. Which is another
    thing that you need to think about. Don't buy the Torker
    LX if you want to practice one-foot or zero feet riding
    skills. The rounded crown on the LX doesn't give you a
    place to rest your feet. Also you need to think about
    whether other people will want to ride your uni. If you
    are going to let other people try out your uni, a quick
    release for the seat post is really handy to readjust the
    seat height. Although quickreleases don't hold the seat
    post as tightly, I find them to be essential because
    people are constantly asking to give my uni a whirl. *

    The new 2004 Torker LX has a flat crown. Torker did quite a
    redesign on their 2004 unicycle line.

    You'd have a hard time finding something better than the new
    Torkers for under $200. As far as I'm concerned, the new
    Torkers are the best choice for a beginner or intermediate
    rider for basic freestyle or for just riding around. For
    serious freestyle and serious riding around there are better
    choices, but those choices are all much more expensive than
    the Torkers.

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  12. The nimbus looks nice. 🙂 But I don't know that I
    should spend that much right now. I'll have to think
    about the Torker.

    That's what I was looking for Amos, thanks.

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