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  1. Hello,

    Christopher Hartel requested me to ask all of you if someone can tell
    him if he got the new world record in marathon unlimited class ???
    He ride a 36" Uni with 114mm Cranks and do the *42,195 km in 1:39:33
    h*
    We could confirm that this is the new German record but we find no
    place where the actual world record is listed.

    It would be great if some of you can help us to confirm if this is the
    world record or to let us know who keeps it and which time he ride.

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  2. The fastest time in the unicon marathon was 1:43 but it had some nasty
    hills and was on rough paths for some of it, I'm sure people have gone
    significantly faster.

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  3. I'm not sure about this, I dunno what standards there are for marathons,
    for example the unicon marathon was 43.0 km. The top time for that was
    1:41:34.65.

    If you extrapolate from that to 42.195km, you get 1:39:40 which is 7
    seconds slower than Christopher''s time, so you've got a pretty good
    chance of it being the record.

    That is amazingly fast whatever, great riding.

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  4. Google Calculator says that's an average of '15.8 miles/hour'
    (http://tinyurl.com/2basql) or '25.43 km/hour'
    (http://tinyurl.com/36kzvk)

    I don't even like riding 16 miles/hour in a sprint. No way am I going
    to average that speed for an hour and a half.

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  5. I already said this on MSN, but the fastest marathon time is 1.36.
    something by a Japanese guy, I think Daiki Izumuda but I could be
    wrong. If someone knows please post it. I think Rocket might know.

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  6. John Foss will probably have a better answer, but I don't think world
    records are kept in the marathon category because the course is not
    standardized. It's like the only world record event at the Winter
    Olympics because is speed skating because it's the only event where the
    distances/course are the same in every competition.

    I remember back at Unicon X they didn't even keep time on the muni race
    since the course would never be repeated.

    I don't know what the IUFs rules on records are though.

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  7. ThisGuyIKnow said:

    John Foss will probably have a better answer, but I don't think world
    records are kept in the marathon category because the course is not
    standardized. It's like the only world record event at the Winter
    Olympics because is speed skating because it's the only event where the
    distances/course are the same in every competition.

    I remember back at Unicon X they didn't even keep time on the muni race
    since the course would never be repeated.

    I don't know what the IUFs rules on records are though.

    It is a standard distance however, in a muni race you don't have a
    standard distance or anything to hold on to basically. There is a
    running marathon record, so why shouldn't there be a unicycling one?
    The IUF doesn't do a lot with records, when I rode the world hour
    record they told me to post it on Rec.Sport.Unicycling because the
    record committee was such a mess and couldn't accept anything, and RSU
    seemed to them a good way to make it 'OFFICIAL', thats the word they
    used 🙄

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  8. I think Daiki Izumeda holds the Japanese record which is well below
    that. I don't have the number but 1hr36 sounds about right. I know the
    fastest limited (24"/125mm) is around 1hr42min, again by a Japanese
    rider (I think it was Hiroki Shigeno). It was set on a flat course
    along a riverbed.

    Those Japanese times are the fastest I'm aware of. But I know they
    could probably be beaten by any number of a handful of riders right
    now.

    The Unicon Marathon was 43km and had some dirt as well as a couple of
    little hills. From memory I did about 1hr41min on a Coker/110mm
    cranks. Pretty sure I can go faster now as I was still lacking in
    confidence from breaking my leg.

    1hr39min is a pretty awesome time though!

    Ken

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  9. ThisGuyIKnow said:

    John Foss will probably have a better answer, but I don't think world
    records are kept in the marathon category because the course is not
    standardized. It's like the only world record event at the Winter
    Olympics because is speed skating because it's the only event where the
    distances/course are the same in every competition.

    I remember back at Unicon X they didn't even keep time on the muni race
    since the course would never be repeated.

    I don't know what the IUFs rules on records are though.

    What Dustin said 🙄

    There are World Records for marathon running so no reason why you can't
    for unicycling. Otherwise all athletics records would have to be set
    on a sports track. The courses will all vary in terms of speed, but
    it's still a standardised distance.

    I don't think you can apply world records speeds to MUni riding though,
    simply because the terrain can vary so much more than on the road.

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  10. GizmoDuck said:

    There are World Records for marathon running so no reason why you can't
    for unicycling. Otherwise all athletics records would have to be set
    on a sports track. The courses will all vary in terms of speed, but
    it's still a standardised distance.

    I don't think you can apply world records speeds to MUni riding though,
    simply because the terrain can vary so much more than on the road.

    Yeah, although when you say standardised distance, I think from the
    website the unicon marathon may have got metricised to 43.0km? I don't
    know how common that is.

    Muni though, I think it's kind of worth keeping a track on who's ridden
    how far in a day or whatever, just cos it's interesting, but yeah
    terrain varies so much that you can't really say anything meaningful
    about 'world records' or whatnot. Even people's description of terrain
    varies tons, we did a kind of techy xc ride with someone last year and
    they said they'd have described it as hardcore downhilling. Our average
    speeds on muni rides seem to vary between about 8mph and about 2mph
    depending on terrain.

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  11. Congratulations on a very fast marathon ride! I suppose the first
    question from a record-keeping organization would be "who measured and
    certified the course distance?" Apparently our Marathon at Unicon XIV
    was not the standard 42.195 km (26 miles, 385 yards). I hadn't heard
    this before today. Too bad the start or finish position could not have
    been adjusted to make it the exact distance. Not to detract from the
    event, it was a huge undertaking and very well organized. I really
    enjoyed riding in it.

    ThisGuyIKnow said:

    John Foss will probably have a better answer, but I don't think world
    records are kept in the marathon category because the course is not
    standardized.

    I don't have marathon numbers. We've only done it once at Unicon (if 43
    km counts), and most other records are probably from Japan, where
    they've been doing it for 20 years or more.

    As for standardization, I think the way it's handled in Olympic and
    other versions is that people are aware of the differences of one race
    to another. Most running courses are probably pretty flat, but other
    factors are heat, humidity and elevation. I remember elevation being a
    big deal at the Mexico City Olympics as it was much higher than usual.

    In Switzerland we had some hills, some dirt road, and wonderful
    weather. Future courses, and the one along the Sumida River in Tokyo,
    for example, are probably smoother and flatter. We can keep track of
    times, but of course we must keep track of distances as well...

    Quoted message said:

    I remember back at Unicon X they didn't even keep time on the muni race
    since the course would never be repeated.

    No matter, as the race data there were so inaccurate the hosts were
    apparently too embarrassed to ever share a copy with us. We have no
    official race data from Unicon X, other than a paper copy that Jack
    Halpern has.

    In keeping with ThisGuy's point, yes a MUni race course is generally
    unique, so times are less important than places. Times are handy
    though, to clear up discrepancies in times, so it is highly recommended
    to record them.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know what the IUFs rules on records are though.

    The IUF established a World Records Committee a few years ago, but then
    I think everybody got distracted. I don't think there are any official
    policies yet.

    For records, there is always room for national vs. international, world
    vs. Unicon and other distinctions for any given event. And age, for
    those willing to keep track. For records set outside of unicycle
    competitions, conditions probably need to be stricter to make sure the
    timing and course measuring were done properly. Hence my question
    above. Was it part of a sanctioned marathon race?

    Anyway, Christopher's time is outrageously fast. What was he riding?

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  12. johnfoss said:

    Congratulations on a very fast marathon ride! I suppose the first
    question from a record-keeping organization would be "who measured and
    certified the course distance?" Apparently our Marathon at Unicon XIV
    was not the standard 42.195 km (26 miles, 385 yards). I hadn't heard
    this before today. Too bad the start or finish position could not have
    been adjusted to make it the exact distance. Not to detract from the
    event, it was a huge undertaking and very well organized. I really
    enjoyed riding in it.

    I don't know that for sure, I just read the website, maybe they just
    rounded the number on the website.

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  13. johnfoss said:

    ... our Marathon at Unicon XIV was not the standard 42.195 km (26 miles,
    385 yards). I hadn't heard this before today. Too bad the start or
    finish position could not have been adjusted to make it the exact
    distance. Not to detract from the event, it was a huge undertaking and
    very well organized. I really enjoyed riding in it.

    The distance of the Marathon at Unicon XIII was 43.0km. We kept start
    and finish at the same place for ease of organization (access to power,
    water, toilets etc). The Marathon distance is not really that
    standardised, see 'Wikipedia' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon).

    Back then I found somewhere a definition that said, for a race to be
    considered a Marathon it must be at least 42.195km. In comparision to
    the UNICON marathon the course in Duisburg is flat and there is no dirt
    road either.

    Nevertheless, 1:39 is an incredibly fast time. My Congrats to
    Christoper Hartel for this achievement.

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  14. Many thanks for all your Help and answers.
    Mayumi send me an Email today and she is very sure that Daiki keeps the
    world record for the *42.195km *in *1h38m23s* (unlimited category) on
    May 3, 2005.

    The distance is normaly used for classical full Marathon. Christopher
    do his record in Düsseldorf / Germany on a classical and traditional
    Marathon track with official meassured size and time. They offer a
    class for unicyclist since some years.

    I think it is much more easy to run together with a classical marathon
    than to set up a special Marathon at a Unicon. It is not that easy to
    close all streets and to measure exactly ......

    More informations about the Duesseldorf Marathon you find 'here'
    (http://www.metrogroup-marathon.de/313.0.html)

    There are a lot of official timed and meassured marathons all over the
    world, maybe it could be a good thing to contact some of them by the
    IUF to recomand them to make also a unicycle class.

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  15. GizmoDuck said:

    I think Daiki Izumeda holds the Japanese record which is well below
    that. I don't have the number but 1hr36 sounds about right. I know the
    fastest limited (24"/125mm) is around 1hr42min, again by a Japanese
    rider (I think it was Hiroki Shigeno). It was set on a flat course
    along a riverbed.

    Hang on... That's ~43km in 1hr42min on a 24"/125mm? That'd be
    averaging about 15mph on a 24" ... really? Or did I misunderstand?
    Because if he did that I'm ... scared and impressed!

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  16. mark williamson said:

    Hang on... That's ~43km in 1hr42min on a 24"/125mm? That'd be
    averaging about 15mph on a 24" ... really? Or did I misunderstand?
    Because if he did that I'm ... scared and impressed!

    Yes some people can ride 24" so fast it's scary. In the unicon marathon
    I, on a schlumpf geared 36", got smoked by a kid on a pretty stock
    looking 24", it was an incredible sight.

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  17. kington99 said:

    Yes some people can ride 24" so fast it's scary. In the unicon marathon
    I, on a schlumpf geared 36", got smoked by a kid on a pretty stock
    looking 24", it was an incredible sight.

    Strewth! OK...

    I've always found it's surprising just *how* fast one can go on a small
    wheel / long cranks but I've never found it remotely sustainable for a
    super short sprint. My (possibly overestimating) cycle computer
    clocked me at 15mph *briefly* on a 29"/150mm setup, but I couldn't have
    sustained that for more than a very short distance - even then I was
    not very stable.

    Doing that for a marathon length race is *insane*... Makes me wonder
    what would happen if you put one of these people on a 36" 😉

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  18. +1 on that, Mark. It's amazing & beautiful to watch a really good uni
    rider!

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  19. Mayumi was so kind to make a more detailed research and send me the
    results of a 2007 Japanese Marathon.

    First Place:
    Record *1:32:47*(42.195km)
    details:
    0:43:57( 20kmPost), Name-*Yuta Sugawara*, *Age-15*, Unicylce-*700C with
    50mmCrank*

    Second Place:
    Record *1:34:05*(42.195km)
    details:
    0:43:59( 20kmPost), Name-*Daiki Izumida*, Age-28, Unicylce-*700C with
    89mmCrank*

    more information you can find 'here'
    (http://www.geocities.jp/hw150302/juma/english/english.htm)

    So *1:32:47 h* should be the actual *world record *I think.

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