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Nigel said:

Hi All,

Just been scanning through some of the later posts. I have been training on
and off for the past 15 years, but due to the job I had been doing for the
last three years, I have not had time to do any training at all -
resultantly I have turned to pure fat - I am 6 feet exactly and 100Kg - most
of the weight is around my waste, back and chest.

Even when I was in form I have never been "cut" or "big", but acceptable to
me. My questions is, I have always had terrible trouble getting my legs to
bulk up - it doesn't seem to matter what I do, they don't get any bigger (I
would be happy with fat quite frankly). So I thought I would fish for any
ideas any of you could give me.

Squat ... a lot. There are other lifts that you can do to supplement
that, but you should practice squatting frequently and heavily for a
while before you start worrying about other lifts.

BTW, I mean back squats. Front squats may provide more development in
the quadriceps and less in the hamstrings, but you should become
practiced at back squats first.

As to how to squat, the archives of this forum in Google Groups are
replete with more advice than you could ever want, as well as many
links to graphic and multimedia presentations of proper form.

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

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I have turned to pure fat>

My advice is: avoid open flames.

Thanks JMW, excuse my ignorance, but what are "back squats" - unable to
locate explanantion.

Many thanks.

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Nigel said:

Hi All,

Just been scanning through some of the later posts. I have been training
on
and off for the past 15 years, but due to the job I had been doing for the
last three years, I have not had time to do any training at all -
resultantly I have turned to pure fat - I am 6 feet exactly and 100Kg -
most
of the weight is around my waste, back and chest.

Even when I was in form I have never been "cut" or "big", but acceptable
to
me. My questions is, I have always had terrible trouble getting my legs
to
bulk up - it doesn't seem to matter what I do, they don't get any bigger
(I
would be happy with fat quite frankly). So I thought I would fish for any
ideas any of you could give me.

Squat ... a lot. There are other lifts that you can do to supplement
that, but you should practice squatting frequently and heavily for a
while before you start worrying about other lifts.

BTW, I mean back squats. Front squats may provide more development in
the quadriceps and less in the hamstrings, but you should become
practiced at back squats first.

As to how to squat, the archives of this forum in Google Groups are
replete with more advice than you could ever want, as well as many
links to graphic and multimedia presentations of proper form.

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

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Thanks JMW, excuse my ignorance, but what are "back squats" - unable
to locate explanantion.

Back squats are just plain old squats - if it's not a front squat,
overhead squat, hack squat, etc., then it's a back squat.

But let's put all this into some perspective here - you've been doing
nothing for the last three years, so *anything* you do will be an
improvement and I don't mean that in a bad way - just get going again,
and when you can, see if you can learn to squat.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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Many thanks.

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Nigel said:

Hi All,

Just been scanning through some of the later posts. I have been
training on
and off for the past 15 years, but due to the job I had been doing
for the
last three years, I have not had time to do any training at all -
resultantly I have turned to pure fat - I am 6 feet exactly and
100Kg - most
of the weight is around my waste, back and chest.

Even when I was in form I have never been "cut" or "big", but
acceptable to
me. My questions is, I have always had terrible trouble getting my
legs to
bulk up - it doesn't seem to matter what I do, they don't get any
bigger (I
would be happy with fat quite frankly). So I thought I would fish
for any
ideas any of you could give me.

Squat ... a lot. There are other lifts that you can do to supplement
that, but you should practice squatting frequently and heavily for a
while before you start worrying about other lifts.

BTW, I mean back squats. Front squats may provide more development
in
the quadriceps and less in the hamstrings, but you should become
practiced at back squats first.

As to how to squat, the archives of this forum in Google Groups are
replete with more advice than you could ever want, as well as many
links to graphic and multimedia presentations of proper form.

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

Steve Freides said:

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Quoted message said:

Thanks JMW, excuse my ignorance, but what are "back squats" - unable
to locate explanantion.

Back squats are just plain old squats - if it's not a front squat,
overhead squat, hack squat, etc., then it's a back squat.

But let's put all this into some perspective here - you've been doing
nothing for the last three years, so *anything* you do will be an
improvement and I don't mean that in a bad way - just get going again,
and when you can, see if you can learn to squat.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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Many thanks.

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"Nigel" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>Just been scanning through some of the later posts. I have been
>training on
>and off for the past 15 years, but due to the job I had been doing
>for the
>last three years, I have not had time to do any training at all -
>resultantly I have turned to pure fat - I am 6 feet exactly and
>100Kg - most
>of the weight is around my waste, back and chest.
>
>Even when I was in form I have never been "cut" or "big", but
>acceptable to
>me. My questions is, I have always had terrible trouble getting my
>legs to
>bulk up - it doesn't seem to matter what I do, they don't get any
>bigger (I
>would be happy with fat quite frankly). So I thought I would fish
>for any
>ideas any of you could give me.

Squat ... a lot. There are other lifts that you can do to supplement
that, but you should practice squatting frequently and heavily for a
while before you start worrying about other lifts.

BTW, I mean back squats. Front squats may provide more development
in
the quadriceps and less in the hamstrings, but you should become
practiced at back squats first.

As to how to squat, the archives of this forum in Google Groups are
replete with more advice than you could ever want, as well as many
links to graphic and multimedia presentations of proper form.

One thing about those squats. Learn really good form, and learn how to
go deep before you get all macho with the amount of weight. ATG (ass
to the grass) depth probably isn't necessary, but at least really get
to below parallel and work on the flexibility required to get down
there and back up again. Once you've got the form down, then, as a
good sized male, you'll be pleasantly suprised how quickly you'll
manage more weight on the bar. A good cage or squat rack is pretty
important btw. There have been a lot of good threads here about
attaining depth on squats.

- bc

Nigel said:

Thanks JMW, excuse my ignorance, but what are "back squats" - unable to
locate explanation.

www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBFullSquat.html
www.exrx.net/ExInfo/Squats.html

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Nigel said:

Thanks JMW, excuse my ignorance, but what are "back squats" - unable
to locate explanation.

www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBFullSquat.html

Looks like a very rounded lower back at the bottom - hard to tell from
the pictures but that's what it looks like to me.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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www.exrx.net/ExInfo/Squats.html

Steve Freides said:

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Nigel said:

Thanks JMW, excuse my ignorance, but what are "back squats" - unable
to locate explanation.

www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBFullSquat.html

Looks like a very rounded lower back at the bottom - hard to tell from
the pictures but that's what it looks like to me.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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www.exrx.net/ExInfo/Squats.html

Time to regurgitate the butt tucking thread?

- bc

Steve Freides said:

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Nigel said:

Thanks JMW, excuse my ignorance, but what are "back squats" - unable
to locate explanation.

www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBFullSquat.html

Looks like a very rounded lower back at the bottom - hard to tell from
the pictures but that's what it looks like to me.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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www.exrx.net/ExInfo/Squats.html

Really narrow stance, too; if you have a better link, please do share it.

Steve Freides said:

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Nigel said:

Thanks JMW, excuse my ignorance, but what are "back squats" - unable
to locate explanation.

www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBFullSquat.html

Looks like a very rounded lower back at the bottom - hard to tell from
the pictures but that's what it looks like to me.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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www.exrx.net/ExInfo/Squats.html

Really narrow stance, too; if you have a better link, please do share it.

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Steve Freides said:

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Nigel wrote:

>Thanks JMW, excuse my ignorance, but what are "back squats" - unable
>to locate explanation.

www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/GluteusMaximus/BBFullSquat.html

Looks like a very rounded lower back at the bottom - hard to tell
from the pictures but that's what it looks like to me.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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www.exrx.net/ExInfo/Squats.html

Really narrow stance, too; if you have a better link, please do share
it.

I don't know if this is better, but I think it's more what a
narrow-stance, high-bar squat should look like in terms of not tucking
your butt under. Y'all can tell me if you agree. Not the best camera
angle for looking at the back but I think you'll get the idea, and I'm
deep enough that my thighs are touching about half-way down on my calves
which, with my build, is about all you can hope for. I weigh 153 so
this is about 1-1/4 x bodyweight on the bar.

http://www.kbnj.com/SQ_Narrow_195x3.rm

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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I don't know if this is better, but I think it's more what a
narrow-stance, high-bar squat should look like in terms of not tucking
your butt under. Y'all can tell me if you agree. Not the best camera
angle for looking at the back but I think you'll get the idea, and I'm
deep enough that my thighs are touching about half-way down on my calves
which, with my build, is about all you can hope for. I weigh 153 so
this is about 1-1/4 x bodyweight on the bar.

www.kbnj.com/SQ_Narrow_195x3.rm

Oh, duh:

Ivan Chakarov:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-ICTR

Idalberto Arranda:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-IATH

Just photos - just photos of bottom position - but quite instructive, I think.

In article <[email hidden]>,

T said:

Quoted message said:

I don't know if this is better, but I think it's more what a
narrow-stance, high-bar squat should look like in terms of not tucking
your butt under. Y'all can tell me if you agree. Not the best camera
angle for looking at the back but I think you'll get the idea, and I'm
deep enough that my thighs are touching about half-way down on my calves
which, with my build, is about all you can hope for. I weigh 153 so
this is about 1-1/4 x bodyweight on the bar.

www.kbnj.com/SQ_Narrow_195x3.rm

Oh, duh:

Ivan Chakarov:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-ICTR

Idalberto Arranda:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-IATH

Just photos - just photos of bottom position - but quite instructive, I think.

Real squats.

[Since I quit powerlifting and started weightlifting I can take this
elitist, snobby attitude about 'parallel' squats! :^) ]

--
Keith

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

T said:

Quoted message said:

I don't know if this is better, but I think it's more what a
narrow-stance, high-bar squat should look like in terms of not
tucking your butt under. Y'all can tell me if you agree. Not the
best camera angle for looking at the back but I think you'll get
the idea, and I'm deep enough that my thighs are touching about
half-way down on my calves which, with my build, is about all you
can hope for. I weigh 153 so this is about 1-1/4 x bodyweight on
the bar.

www.kbnj.com/SQ_Narrow_195x3.rm

Oh, duh:

Ivan Chakarov:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-ICTR

Idalberto Arranda:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-IATH

Just photos - just photos of bottom position - but quite
instructive, I think.

Real squats.

[Since I quit powerlifting and started weightlifting I can take this
elitist, snobby attitude about 'parallel' squats! :^) ]

Ass-to-the-grass squats. Everybody still thinks I'm nuts at my gym. Gonna
ruin my knees.
--
-Larry

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

T said:

Quoted message said:

I don't know if this is better, but I think it's more what a
narrow-stance, high-bar squat should look like in terms of not
tucking your butt under. Y'all can tell me if you agree. Not the
best camera angle for looking at the back but I think you'll get
the idea, and I'm deep enough that my thighs are touching about
half-way down on my calves which, with my build, is about all you
can hope for. I weigh 153 so this is about 1-1/4 x bodyweight on
the bar.

www.kbnj.com/SQ_Narrow_195x3.rm

Oh, duh:

Ivan Chakarov:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-ICTR

Idalberto Arranda:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-IATH

Just photos - just photos of bottom position - but quite
instructive, I think.

Real squats.

[Since I quit powerlifting and started weightlifting I can take this
elitist, snobby attitude about 'parallel' squats! :^) ]

Ass-to-the-grass squats. Everybody still thinks I'm nuts at my gym. Gonna
ruin my knees.
--
-Larry

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

T said:

Quoted message said:

I don't know if this is better, but I think it's more what a
narrow-stance, high-bar squat should look like in terms of not
tucking
your butt under. Y'all can tell me if you agree. Not the best
camera
angle for looking at the back but I think you'll get the idea, and
I'm
deep enough that my thighs are touching about half-way down on my
calves
which, with my build, is about all you can hope for. I weigh 153
so
this is about 1-1/4 x bodyweight on the bar.

www.kbnj.com/SQ_Narrow_195x3.rm

Oh, duh:

Ivan Chakarov:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-ICTR

Idalberto Arranda:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-IATH

Just photos - just photos of bottom position - but quite instructive,
I think.

Real squats.

Gee, thanks, Keith. 🙂

I've still got lots lower to get, maybe just need more weight.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Quoted message said:

[Since I quit powerlifting and started weightlifting I can take this
elitist, snobby attitude about 'parallel' squats! :^) ]

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

T said:

Quoted message said:

I don't know if this is better, but I think it's more what a
narrow-stance, high-bar squat should look like in terms of not
tucking
your butt under. Y'all can tell me if you agree. Not the best
camera
angle for looking at the back but I think you'll get the idea, and
I'm
deep enough that my thighs are touching about half-way down on my
calves
which, with my build, is about all you can hope for. I weigh 153
so
this is about 1-1/4 x bodyweight on the bar.

www.kbnj.com/SQ_Narrow_195x3.rm

Oh, duh:

Ivan Chakarov:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-ICTR

Idalberto Arranda:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-IATH

Just photos - just photos of bottom position - but quite instructive,
I think.

Real squats.

Gee, thanks, Keith. 🙂

I've still got lots lower to get, maybe just need more weight.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Quoted message said:

[Since I quit powerlifting and started weightlifting I can take this
elitist, snobby attitude about 'parallel' squats! :^) ]

--
Keith

Steve Freides said:

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

T said:

>I don't know if this is better, but I think it's more what a
>narrow-stance, high-bar squat should look like in terms of not
>tucking
>your butt under. Y'all can tell me if you agree. Not the best
>camera
>angle for looking at the back but I think you'll get the idea, and
>I'm
>deep enough that my thighs are touching about half-way down on my
>calves
>which, with my build, is about all you can hope for. I weigh 153
>so
>this is about 1-1/4 x bodyweight on the bar.
>
>www.kbnj.com/SQ_Narrow_195x3.rm

Oh, duh:

Ivan Chakarov:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-ICTR

Idalberto Arranda:
www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-IATH

Just photos - just photos of bottom position - but quite instructive,
I think.

Real squats.

Gee, thanks, Keith. 🙂

I've still got lots lower to get, maybe just need more weight.

Oh, yeah, that should work; just put 290 kg on the bar like Arranda and go deep.
;-)

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T said:

Steve Freides said:

"Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
T <[email hidden]> wrote:

>>I don't know if this is better, but I think it's more what a
>>narrow-stance, high-bar squat should look like in terms of not
>>tucking
>>your butt under. Y'all can tell me if you agree. Not the best
>>camera
>>angle for looking at the back but I think you'll get the idea, and
>>I'm
>>deep enough that my thighs are touching about half-way down on my
>>calves
>>which, with my build, is about all you can hope for. I weigh 153
>>so
>>this is about 1-1/4 x bodyweight on the bar.
>>
>>www.kbnj.com/SQ_Narrow_195x3.rm
>
>
>Oh, duh:
>
>
>Ivan Chakarov:
>www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-ICTR
>
>
>Idalberto Arranda:
>www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=PH-IATH
>
>
>Just photos - just photos of bottom position - but quite instructive,
>I think.

Real squats.

Gee, thanks, Keith. 🙂

I've still got lots lower to get, maybe just need more weight.

Oh, yeah, that should work; just put 290 kg on the bar like Arranda and go
deep.
;-)

I personally think Steve should try going lower. Everyone I know who
eats a little humble pie, lowers the weight and squats deep notes how
good it feels on their knees.

--
Keith