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  1. ...and honestly, I'm not really "cycling" yet, as I don't have a bike.

    So I'm interested in getting into road cycling eventually, but I'm trying to get in better shape before committing to a big purchase. I've gotten back to the gym and lost around 10 lbs over the last month, with a variety of light cycling, running, and weight training. Now I'm focusing more on the cycling aspect, and need advice.

    I'm doing roughly 20-25 miles daily (60-70 min) on a stationary bike, but I also have the 'spin' bikes available to me at my gym. I'm researching as we speak about training programs, but would like some personal advice as well. I'm 6'3", 247lbs, overweight obviously, but not completely out of shape. I'd like to eventually compete in semi-competitive racing, but nothing terribly serious.

    I'm very comfortable with my diet, so I'm really looking for any newbie training advice anyone would be kind enough to share... Thanks in advance!

  2. Your on the correct path.
     
    Over the fall/winter...
     

    • Reduce bodyweight/calories, increase work output.
    • Keep using the stationary bike/indoor trainers at the gym (better still, get outdoors when/if ever possible & onto the road). Keep supplementing (running, weight training)<<< But not at the expense of CNS burnout/overtraining/increasing muscle mass. 
    • Increase relative strength (positive power-to-weight ratio).  gymjones.comknowledge.php
    • In the gym emphasize strengthening your posterior chain, mainly the (Glutes, Hamstrings, Hips, Legs, Erector spinae & (quads) with multiple-joint exercises such as; (Deadlifts, weighted hip thrusts, squats, good-mornings, dumbbell lunges, dumbbell step-ups etc) & again, not at the expense of gaining muscle mass.
    • Increase/build "isometric" core strength (planks/supermans), not dynamic (crunches/sit-ups). (See below).
    • Purchase a bike into spring time.
    • Ride, ride, ride... Buildup mileage. Stay strong year round. (Physically/mentally) both in the gym & on the bike. Some riders stop lifting come racing, some maintain, IMO you should look to increase or at least maintain the strength you have worked hard for throughout the winter.


     
    A recent post.
     

    Quoted post said:

    Originally Posted by Chapeau! [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]   I would certainly suggest strength training to increase your power on the bike along with increasing your core strength. Building stability in the gym can translate to improvements later in the cycle when specific training becomes dominant. All said, weight-assisted training should be a supplement to your training, not the core of it, but there is some correlation, because of the force-velocity curve. Where training relative strength here; (positive power-to-weight ratio) as its more important than absolute strength for functional movement & in no way is developing hypertrophy (muscle mass) advised throughout any training program for a cyclist.

    Anyway, you will be wanting to place most of your emphasis on strengthening your Posterior chain, mainly the (Glutes, Hamstrings, Hips, Legs, Erector spinae & (quads) aka the most powerful muscles used in Cycling, the muscles at the back of the body propelling you forwards. “A strong man is strong on the back of his body.” Emphasis should be placed on strengthening them particular muscle groups, but DON'T forget the core, inner/outer abs/obliques/hip flexors/lowerback, which generates a lot of power & delivers it to the extremities at a greater rate & efficiency. ALL human movement begins at the core of the body ie. the muscles in the core of the body all contract/generate power before the extremities (legs).   It's always easier to operate at a lower percentage of one's peak power the stronger you are. Your using comparatively lower percentage of your available strength to complete the SAME task and therefore have extra energy left over for all the other parts of the task. 
    A total body strength exercise at the gym would be a deadlift. Performing deadlifts will hit pretty much everything in your posterior chain. There are many variations to the DL, the best variation IMO is the [censored] Grip deadlift.

      Sumo Deadlift. Dominant back/posterior/quad exercise.  
      Another exercise I rate very highly are weighted hip thrusts. Again, another posterior chain exercise which also puts emphasis on strengthening the core/abs also. You probably won't see many people performing these at your local gym, but this exercise activates the glutes greater than any other exercise on the planet (according to EMG data) Dispelling the Glute Myth including deadlifts, squats, olympic lifts etc.

    All my lowerbody weight training comes before I go out & ride, usually in the morning, when I'm fresh. I lift year round, not too maintain but to increase my strength. This relates back to increasing power output on the bike, particularly on the flats. I perform lowerbody workouts 2-3x per week. Monday, Wednesday, Friday or Saturday.

    Maybe...

    Conventional Deadlifts: (3-5 sets of 3-8 reps)
    Weighted Hip Thrusts: (3-5 sets of 3-8 reps)

    As the sets increase, so do my poundages on the bar. I conclude my deadlift workout with a few back-off (lower weight) sets working exclusively on explosiveness, pausing at the bottom then exploding up, usually with the conventional deadlift.

    I 'usually' use 5 reps per set. A set of 8-12 reps, your form will usually deteriorate along with bar speed (important). So using this method takes care of both. Even if your form stays perfect your bar speed will most likely slow down. If only doing 4 reps at a time (per set) your bar speed will remain more constant.

    I have recently done away with squatting, never been a fan of leg pressing & I'm concentrating mainly on hip thrusting & deadlifts as my main exercises this winter for my lowerbody. Having had a argument with fergs on how certain variations of the deadlift complement the conventional deadlift, I will also be adding theses variations into the mix: [censored] Grip, Sumo, Romanian, Sumo Stance Stiff Legged & the Halt deadlift.

    Conventional Deadlift... (Lower back/Spinal erectors, Gluteus, Quadriceps)... Total body exercise...
    Sumo Deadlift... (Quadriceps, Gluteus, Hamstrings, Hip adductors)... Decreased lumbar stress, total body exercise...
    Romanian Deadlift... (Hamstrings, Spinal erectors)... Essential learning movement for Olympic lifts and variants...
    [censored] Grip Deadlift... (Upper back, Spinal erectors)... Increased scapular stabilization...
    Wide Stance Stiff Legged Deadlifts:Hip strength.

    I'm doing away with lifting straps also, working more on grip & making my forearms look stronger.

    Exercise & Muscle Directory; exrx.netDirectory.html

    So yeah, don't make it too complicated. On one day, Pick 2 compound exercises (Multiple-joint exercises that involve the posterior chain) per session for the lowerbody, you choose the intensity and volume of your workout based on how you feel on any given day, shoot for 20-40 total reps of each exercise in a session, if you feel crappy, then maybe shooting for the minimum of 20 reps is fine. If you feel good, you might shoot for 35-40 total reps per exercise. 3-5 minutes recovery rest between sets to let the CNS recharge itself.

    Why 20-40 reps? The answer to that is 20-40 reps @ 70-85% 1RM is the range that many athletes have found to work best for strength gains & avoids significant CNS stress and burnout (before my ride). I personally don't go any higher than 8 reps for any given strength exercise (usually 5 reps is my mainstay & not too failure).

    The core exercises I highly regard; Planks (front, back & side planks), dumbbell side bends, hip thrusts, Standing Russian Twists, Numerous Push Up Variations etc. The core I believe should be worked isometrically; isometric exercises such as; (planks, supermans etc), & do away with dynamic movements such as (sit-ups, crunches etc).

    So make sure your working the posterior chain, the core & slightly some upperbody work. Not all the sameday, but throughout the entire week. Listen to your body.

    I ride after my lifting session (1-2 hours). This is due to the fact my rides are far more intense (on my CNS/Energy systems) than my weight sessions. I couldn't possibly perform weight work (to the standard of where I would want it) after coming back from an intense aerobic workout (30-70 miles).

    You could also be setting yourself up for injury doing weights after cycling as the muscular system loses strength, particularly in the back, which is prone to damage. Anyone performing deadlifts/exercises involving the back, from putting 50 miles into there erector spinae/back (weakening all the time) is on the road to injury.

    The days I'm not lifting I'm working mainly on my core strength/little bit of upperbody & relaxing. I'm riding around 4-5x per week depending on how I feel. Usually 1 day for recovery.

    If you start lifting, don't start too heavy, adapt & it will become much easier. If your progressively increasing (staying dedicated) you should feel much better on the bike.

    Remember, your gunning for relative strength (positive power-to-weight ratio) not hypertrophy (mass) & building up the road mileage come good weather & if your hardcore enough, throughout the winter too if you can get out onto the road.
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  3. Also when it comes to racing & you have become established, for that extra 20-40% extra power over the course of a few/six months, supplement your cycling with what most of the top juicers are juicing (Cancellara/Philipe Gilbert/Tony Martin/Armstrong/Phinney etc), guys who will never fail a drugs test as they have quickly found other, non illegal ways to achieve similar results than what is currently on the banned list.

    Recommending.

    • Beta-Alanine
    • "Advanced" Creatine (Not Monohydrate alone)
    • Carnosine


    Then its a case of finding a top CNS stack.

    Central Nervous System Stimulants (Caffeine ain't top dog):

    • Acetyl-L Carnitine Arginate
    • Citrulline Malate
    • Alpha GPC
    • DMAE
    • L-Tyrosine
    • N Acetyl Cysteine
    • Piracetam
    • Aniracetam
    • Glucoronolactone
    • Caffeine
    • Oxiractam
    • Indium
    • Taurine
    • L- Carnitine
    • Ribose
    • Pyruvate
    • Tribulus
    • Rhodiola Rosea
    • Cordyceps
    • L- Glutamine
    • Choline
    • Inositol
    • Inosine
    • L-Arginine/L-Ornithine Formula
    • Pycnogenol
    • Creatine ethyl ester

    Find the "stack" that works best for you, all performance enhancing, all within WADA & UCI regulations.

    Don't get left behind.

  4. 40% extra power? Really? I am asking seriously. I take NOTHING, not even a multivitamin. But 40% extra power by supplementing vitamins, amino acids, lipids, and phosphate sugars surprises me (but I'm willing to jump on board if it works). Doesn't the body make all this stuff (with the help of the components of a balanced healthy diet)? Or are they really limiting?

    Now, some of the components on that list I would be very wary about: Piracetum and Aniracetum are potent neurological drugs often taken by Alzheimers and siezure patients. While they are currently unregulated, messing around with brain chemistry is a scary thing.
    Finally, what does indium do? Is that metal ever found associated with biologically active molecules? If not, what business does it have in the human body?

    Quoted post said:

    Originally Posted by Chapeau! [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

    Also when it comes to racing & you have become established, for that extra 20-40% extra power over the course of a few/six months, supplement your cycling with what most of the top juicers are juicing (Cancellara/Philipe Gilbert/Tony Martin/Armstrong/Phinney etc), guys who will never fail a drugs test as they have quickly found other, non illegal ways to achieve similar results than what is currently on the banned list.

    Recommending.

    • Beta-Alanine
    • "Advanced" Creatine (Not Monohydrate alone)
    • Carnosine


    Then its a case of finding a top CNS stack.

    Central Nervous System Stimulants (Caffeine ain't top dog):

    • Acetyl-L Carnitine Arginate
    • Citrulline Malate
    • Alpha GPC
    • DMAE
    • L-Tyrosine
    • N Acetyl Cysteine
    • Piracetam
    • Aniracetam
    • Glucoronolactone
    • Caffeine
    • Oxiractam
    • Indium
    • Taurine
    • L- Carnitine
    • Ribose
    • Pyruvate
    • Tribulus
    • Rhodiola Rosea
    • Cordyceps
    • L- Glutamine
    • Choline
    • Inositol
    • Inosine
    • L-Arginine/L-Ornithine Formula
    • Pycnogenol
    • Creatine ethyl ester

    Find the "stack" that works best for you, all performance enhancing, all within WADA & UCI regulations.

    Don't get left behind.

  5. Quoted post said:

    Originally Posted by Chapeau! [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

    Also when it comes to racing & you have become established, for that extra 20-40% extra power over the course of a few/six months, supplement your cycling with what most of the top juicers are juicing (Cancellara/Philipe Gilbert/Tony Martin/Armstrong/Phinney etc), guys who will never fail a drugs test as they have quickly found other, non illegal ways to achieve similar results than what is currently on the banned list.

    Recommending.

    • Beta-Alanine
    • "Advanced" Creatine (Not Monohydrate alone)
    • Carnosine


    Then its a case of finding a top CNS stack.

    Central Nervous System Stimulants (Caffeine ain't top dog):

    • Acetyl-L Carnitine Arginate
    • Citrulline Malate
    • Alpha GPC
    • DMAE
    • L-Tyrosine
    • N Acetyl Cysteine
    • Piracetam
    • Aniracetam
    • Glucoronolactone
    • Caffeine
    • Oxiractam
    • Indium
    • Taurine
    • L- Carnitine
    • Ribose
    • Pyruvate
    • Tribulus
    • Rhodiola Rosea
    • Cordyceps
    • L- Glutamine
    • Choline
    • Inositol
    • Inosine
    • L-Arginine/L-Ornithine Formula
    • Pycnogenol
    • Creatine ethyl ester

    Find the "stack" that works best for you, all performance enhancing, all within WADA & UCI regulations.

    Don't get left behind.


    Speaking with true authority. LOL! Did I miss that post of yours Chappy where you detailed your racing successes and present category????
    All that [censored] will leave you with nothing more than a smaller stack of Benjamins...[IMG]/img/vbsmilies/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG]

  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by tonyzackery [IMG]../../../img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

    Speaking with true authority. LOL! Did I miss that post of yours Chappy where you detailed your racing successes and present category????
    All that [censored] will leave you with nothing more than a smaller stack of Benjamins...[IMG]../../../img/vbsmilies/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG]

    Oh, Tony, you said it, I didn't!!!! At the very best they leave you a little cash poor, at worst they mess with your brain so badly that it literally starts to disappear.

  7. Anything you want for your cycling needs and bike reviews: http://www.reviewsdigital.org/mycycling.html

  8. Get a bicycle and start riding in the real world.
    Stationary/spin are great for maintining fitness when it's too cold or rainy to drive - but you really should be outside on your bicycle facing wind resistance against your body.
    Have fun.

  9. I believe there have been more than a few Cat-3's or greater on this forum that have done plenty of indoor training and have had very good results.
    I am not a Cat rider, but my indoor training is having a very positive effect to my outdoor performance.

  10. Quoted post said:

    Originally Posted by Felt_Rider [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

    I believe there have been more than a few Cat-3's or greater on this forum that have done plenty of indoor training and have had very good results.
    I am not a Cat rider, but my indoor training is having a very positive effect to my outdoor performance.

    You can say that again Felt !! I'm with ya. [IMG]/img/vbsmilies/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] You have no idea how excited I am for my winter training already. Eventhough I still got some nice days here and there, my mind is already preparing for some hard, long and structured sessions. Got my log book all lined out and ready. Buying the "red" tire tomorrow.

  11. Quoted post said:

    Originally Posted by gman0482 [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

    You can say that again Felt !! I'm with ya. [IMG]/img/vbsmilies/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] You have no idea how excited I am for my winter training already. Eventhough I still got some nice days here and there, my mind is already preparing for some hard, long and structured sessions. Got my log book all lined out and ready. Buying the "red" tire tomorrow.


    I think we are close. Even in the south we will start this morning probably wearing arm and leg warmers. I will throw the vest in the bag just in case.
    I imagine outdoor training is coming to a faster end for those of you in the north.

    Do you think you will get a PM this winter?
    I am sure you probably saw RDO's comment to you on the other thread to consider getting an ANT+ device/PM.

    Keep us posted as you gear up your indoor training. I will be watching with envy. You seem to be progressing fast. [IMG]/img/vbsmilies/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

  12. Quoted post said:

    Originally Posted by gman0482 [IMG]/img/forum/go_quote.gif[/IMG]

    You can say that again Felt !! I'm with ya. [IMG]/img/vbsmilies/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] You have no idea how excited I am for my winter training already. Eventhough I still got some nice days here and there, my mind is already preparing for some hard, long and structured sessions. Got my log book all lined out and ready. Buying the "red" tire tomorrow.


    Oh man, really? I am relishing the end of a very hard season of racing and training, enjoying a bit of a change of pace, including easy fall rides, some off road stuff, etc. I am absolutely DREADING, the inevitable indoor training phase. Don't get me wrong, I love the rewards of a structured off-season, but I am so not ready for it mentally. Good thing the hard work won't start again until December. I have from know until then to enjoy the crisp outdoors without the stress of racing.

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