New Shimano Pedals

Edward said:

Has anyone had the chance to try out the new 7810's or the 6620's ?. I
want to upgrade, but would like some feedback first. Thanks.

I ride with someone who bought the new Dura-Ace pedals about a week
ago, and he's happy, but he didn't say that they feel better to ride on
than the previous style.

The big improvement is the stainless steel contact plate over the plastic
one which wears down very quickly. But I solved that problem by grinding
stainless steel plates from a cheap, thin kitchen knife blade and glueing
them over the plastic.

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Michael Warner said:

Edward said:

Has anyone had the chance to try out the new 7810's or the 6620's ?. I
want to upgrade, but would like some feedback first. Thanks.

I ride with someone who bought the new Dura-Ace pedals about a week
ago, and he's happy, but he didn't say that they feel better to ride on
than the previous style.

The big improvement is the stainless steel contact plate over the plastic
one which wears down very quickly. But I solved that problem by grinding
stainless steel plates from a cheap, thin kitchen knife blade and glueing
them over the plastic.

--
Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

To bad shimano didn't figure this out first, another example of using
customers to product test. Maybe they should have looked at
Campagnolo's pedals, which for Profit, have always had a steel plate.

Michael Warner said:

Edward said:

Has anyone had the chance to try out the new 7810's or the 6620's ?. I
want to upgrade, but would like some feedback first. Thanks.

I ride with someone who bought the new Dura-Ace pedals about a week
ago, and he's happy, but he didn't say that they feel better to ride on
than the previous style.

The big improvement is the stainless steel contact plate over the plastic
one which wears down very quickly. But I solved that problem by grinding
stainless steel plates from a cheap, thin kitchen knife blade and glueing
them over the plastic.

--
Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

Very clever innovation! I'm going to try to give it 5 stars. I've
never tried to give a star rating before. We'll see how it goes, John

On Apr 6, 8:10 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

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Michael Warner said:

On 5 Apr 2007 13:06:20 -0700, Edward wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Has anyone had the chance to try out the new 7810's or the 6620's ?. I
want to upgrade, but would like some feedback first. Thanks.

Quoted message said:

I ride with someone who bought the new Dura-Ace pedals about a week
ago, and he's happy, but he didn't say that they feel better to ride on
than the previous style.

Quoted message said:

The big improvement is the stainless steel contact plate over the plastic
one which wears down very quickly. But I solved that problem by grinding
stainless steel plates from a cheap, thin kitchen knife blade and glueing
them over the plastic.

Quoted message said:

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Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

To bad shimano didn't figure this out first, another example of using
customers to product test. Maybe they should have looked at
Campagnolo's pedals, which for Profit, have always had a steel plate

OTOH, Shimano never made an absolute pig of a clipless pedal like the
Campy SGR.

Ozark Bicycle said:

On Apr 6, 8:10 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Apr 5, 4:13 pm, Michael Warner <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On 5 Apr 2007 13:06:20 -0700, Edward wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Has anyone had the chance to try out the new 7810's or the 6620's ?. I
> want to upgrade, but would like some feedback first. Thanks.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I ride with someone who bought the new Dura-Ace pedals about a week
ago, and he's happy, but he didn't say that they feel better to ride on
than the previous style.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The big improvement is the stainless steel contact plate over the plastic
one which wears down very quickly. But I solved that problem by grinding
stainless steel plates from a cheap, thin kitchen knife blade and glueing
them over the plastic.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

Quoted message said:

To bad shimano didn't figure this out first, another example of using
customers to product test. Maybe they should have looked at
Campagnolo's pedals, which for Profit, have always had a steel plate

OTOH, Shimano never made an absolute pig of a clipless pedal like the
Campy SGR.

SPD-R?

On Apr 7, 7:30 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

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On Apr 6, 8:46 pm, "Ozark Bicycle"

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On Apr 6, 8:10 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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Quoted message said:

On Apr 5, 4:13 pm, Michael Warner <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> On 5 Apr 2007 13:06:20 -0700, Edward wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > Has anyone had the chance to try out the new 7810's or the 6620's ?. I
> > want to upgrade, but would like some feedback first. Thanks.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I ride with someone who bought the new Dura-Ace pedals about a week
> ago, and he's happy, but he didn't say that they feel better to ride on
> than the previous style.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> The big improvement is the stainless steel contact plate over the plastic
> one which wears down very quickly. But I solved that problem by grinding
> stainless steel plates from a cheap, thin kitchen knife blade and glueing
> them over the plastic.

Quoted message said:

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> --
> Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

To bad shimano didn't figure this out first, another example of using
customers to product test. Maybe they should have looked at
Campagnolo's pedals, which for Profit, have always had a steel plate

Quoted message said:

OTOH, Shimano never made an absolute pig of a clipless pedal like the
Campy SGR.

SPD-R?

IMO, SPD-R was as much a failure of marketing (i.e., it was not only
an answer to a question no one was asking, but no one wanted to hear
that answer) as anything.

The SGR was just a failure. It would have been a POS (materials
quality aside) if it sold for $35pr.

Ozark Bicycle said:

On Apr 7, 7:30 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Apr 6, 8:46 pm, "Ozark Bicycle"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Apr 6, 8:10 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> On Apr 5, 4:13 pm, Michael Warner <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > On 5 Apr 2007 13:06:20 -0700, Edward wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > Has anyone had the chance to try out the new 7810's or the 6620's ?. I
> > > want to upgrade, but would like some feedback first. Thanks.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > I ride with someone who bought the new Dura-Ace pedals about a week
> > ago, and he's happy, but he didn't say that they feel better to ride on
> > than the previous style.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > The big improvement is the stainless steel contact plate over the plastic
> > one which wears down very quickly. But I solved that problem by grinding
> > stainless steel plates from a cheap, thin kitchen knife blade and glueing
> > them over the plastic.

Quoted message said:

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> > --
> > Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> To bad shimano didn't figure this out first, another example of using
> customers to product test. Maybe they should have looked at
> Campagnolo's pedals, which for Profit, have always had a steel plate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

OTOH, Shimano never made an absolute pig of a clipless pedal like the
Campy SGR.

Quoted message said:

SPD-R?

IMO, SPD-R was as much a failure of marketing (i.e., it was not only
an answer to a question no one was asking, but no one wanted to hear
that answer) as anything.

The SGR was just a failure. It would have been a POS (materials
quality aside) if it sold for $35pr.

Both had unique cleats but at least SGR could be put onto LOOK style
shoes. It also had some unqiue features for the time, like the ability
to keep it level to aid entry. Excellent bearings, durable, but clunky
to use, kinda like SPD-R. SGR came at a time when LOOK was brand
spanking new. SPD-R had decades of pedal design experience to draw
from and still shimano made a crappy pedal.

On Apr 7, 10:15 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

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On Apr 7, 7:01 am, "Ozark Bicycle"

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On Apr 7, 7:30 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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On Apr 6, 8:46 pm, "Ozark Bicycle"

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<[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 8:10 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:

Quoted message said:

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> > On Apr 5, 4:13 pm, Michael Warner <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > On 5 Apr 2007 13:06:20 -0700, Edward wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > Has anyone had the chance to try out the new 7810's or the 6620's ?. I
> > > > want to upgrade, but would like some feedback first. Thanks.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > I ride with someone who bought the new Dura-Ace pedals about a week
> > > ago, and he's happy, but he didn't say that they feel better to ride on
> > > than the previous style.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > The big improvement is the stainless steel contact plate over the plastic
> > > one which wears down very quickly. But I solved that problem by grinding
> > > stainless steel plates from a cheap, thin kitchen knife blade and glueing
> > > them over the plastic.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > --
> > > Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > To bad shimano didn't figure this out first, another example of using
> > customers to product test. Maybe they should have looked at
> > Campagnolo's pedals, which for Profit, have always had a steel plate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> OTOH, Shimano never made an absolute pig of a clipless pedal like the
> Campy SGR.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

SPD-R?

Quoted message said:

IMO, SPD-R was as much a failure of marketing (i.e., it was not only
an answer to a question no one was asking, but no one wanted to hear
that answer) as anything.

Quoted message said:

The SGR was just a failure. It would have been a POS (materials
quality aside) if it sold for $35pr.

Both had unique cleats but at least SGR could be put onto LOOK style
shoes. It also had some unqiue features for the time, like the ability
to keep it level to aid entry. Excellent bearings, durable, but clunky
to use, kinda like SPD-R. SGR came at a time when LOOK was brand
spanking new. SPD-R had decades of pedal design experience to draw
from and still shimano made a crappy pedal

Yeah, they had great bearings/spindles. And they were pretty and
nicely polished. But underneath was an expensive-to-make, poorly
designed, overly complex, overweight POS. I was dumb enough to
actually buy a pair (in 1990, at wholesale and after the price was
reduced). They developed *serious* release problems as the cleats wore
(independent of walking type wear), which Campy tried to address with
design changes to the cleats (metal in the back of the cleat). But
they still had problems. Luckily for me, Campy "ate" them. I bought
some 737 SPDs and never looked back.

All in all, it was a very poor design. Another sad chapter in the
Campy Stynchro Era.

Ozark Bicycle said:

On Apr 7, 10:15 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Apr 7, 7:01 am, "Ozark Bicycle"

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On Apr 7, 7:30 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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Quoted message said:

> On Apr 6, 8:46 pm, "Ozark Bicycle"

Quoted message said:

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> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > On Apr 6, 8:10 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>
> > wrote:

Quoted message said:

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> > > On Apr 5, 4:13 pm, Michael Warner <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > On 5 Apr 2007 13:06:20 -0700, Edward wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > > Has anyone had the chance to try out the new 7810's or the 6620's ?. I
> > > > > want to upgrade, but would like some feedback first. Thanks.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > I ride with someone who bought the new Dura-Ace pedals about a week
> > > > ago, and he's happy, but he didn't say that they feel better to ride on
> > > > than the previous style.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > The big improvement is the stainless steel contact plate over the plastic
> > > > one which wears down very quickly. But I solved that problem by grinding
> > > > stainless steel plates from a cheap, thin kitchen knife blade and glueing
> > > > them over the plastic.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > --
> > > > Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > To bad shimano didn't figure this out first, another example of using
> > > customers to product test. Maybe they should have looked at
> > > Campagnolo's pedals, which for Profit, have always had a steel plate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > OTOH, Shimano never made an absolute pig of a clipless pedal like the
> > Campy SGR.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> SPD-R?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

IMO, SPD-R was as much a failure of marketing (i.e., it was not only
an answer to a question no one was asking, but no one wanted to hear
that answer) as anything.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The SGR was just a failure. It would have been a POS (materials
quality aside) if it sold for $35pr.

Quoted message said:

Both had unique cleats but at least SGR could be put onto LOOK style
shoes. It also had some unqiue features for the time, like the ability
to keep it level to aid entry. Excellent bearings, durable, but clunky
to use, kinda like SPD-R. SGR came at a time when LOOK was brand
spanking new. SPD-R had decades of pedal design experience to draw
from and still shimano made a crappy pedal

Yeah, they had great bearings/spindles. And they were pretty and
nicely polished. But underneath was an expensive-to-make, poorly
designed, overly complex, overweight POS. I was dumb enough to
actually buy a pair (in 1990, at wholesale and after the price was
reduced). They developed *serious* release problems as the cleats wore
(independent of walking type wear), which Campy tried to address with
design changes to the cleats (metal in the back of the cleat). But
they still had problems. Luckily for me, Campy "ate" them. I bought
some 737 SPDs and never looked back.

All in all, it was a very poor design. Another sad chapter in the
Campy Stynchro Era.

I have a pair new in the box. I'll never use them, but it is
surprising what they can demand on ebay..again, first try for Campag,
in the late 80s, when clipless was brand new..no excuse for shimano
making a pedal that had no shoes that you could put the cleat onto tho-
designed 15 years after clipless was common.

On Apr 8, 8:07 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Apr 7, 10:53 am, "Ozark Bicycle"

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On Apr 7, 10:15 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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Quoted message said:

On Apr 7, 7:01 am, "Ozark Bicycle"

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Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 7:30 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:

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> > On Apr 6, 8:46 pm, "Ozark Bicycle"

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> > <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > > On Apr 6, 8:10 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>
> > > wrote:

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> > > > On Apr 5, 4:13 pm, Michael Warner <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

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> > > > > On 5 Apr 2007 13:06:20 -0700, Edward wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > > > Has anyone had the chance to try out the new 7810's or the 6620's ?. I
> > > > > > want to upgrade, but would like some feedback first. Thanks.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > > I ride with someone who bought the new Dura-Ace pedals about a week
> > > > > ago, and he's happy, but he didn't say that they feel better to ride on
> > > > > than the previous style.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > > The big improvement is the stainless steel contact plate over the plastic
> > > > > one which wears down very quickly. But I solved that problem by grinding
> > > > > stainless steel plates from a cheap, thin kitchen knife blade and glueing
> > > > > them over the plastic.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > > --
> > > > > Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > > To bad shimano didn't figure this out first, another example of using
> > > > customers to product test. Maybe they should have looked at
> > > > Campagnolo's pedals, which for Profit, have always had a steel plate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > > OTOH, Shimano never made an absolute pig of a clipless pedal like the
> > > Campy SGR.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > SPD-R?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> IMO, SPD-R was as much a failure of marketing (i.e., it was not only
> an answer to a question no one was asking, but no one wanted to hear
> that answer) as anything.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> The SGR was just a failure. It would have been a POS (materials
> quality aside) if it sold for $35pr.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Both had unique cleats but at least SGR could be put onto LOOK style
shoes. It also had some unqiue features for the time, like the ability
to keep it level to aid entry. Excellent bearings, durable, but clunky
to use, kinda like SPD-R. SGR came at a time when LOOK was brand
spanking new. SPD-R had decades of pedal design experience to draw
from and still shimano made a crappy pedal

Quoted message said:

Yeah, they had great bearings/spindles. And they were pretty and
nicely polished. But underneath was an expensive-to-make, poorly
designed, overly complex, overweight POS. I was dumb enough to
actually buy a pair (in 1990, at wholesale and after the price was
reduced). They developed *serious* release problems as the cleats wore
(independent of walking type wear), which Campy tried to address with
design changes to the cleats (metal in the back of the cleat). But
they still had problems. Luckily for me, Campy "ate" them. I bought
some 737 SPDs and never looked back.

Quoted message said:

All in all, it was a very poor design. Another sad chapter in the
Campy Stynchro Era.

I have a pair new in the box. I'll never use them, but it is
surprising what they can demand on ebay.

I agree that ePay is the place for a pair of SGRs. If some fool pays
enough for 'em, maybe they'll just "show" them and never actually use
them.

Quoted message said:

.again, first try for Campag,
in the late 80s, when clipless was brand new..no excuse for shimano
making a pedal that had no shoes that you could put the cleat onto tho-
designed 15 years after clipless was common.

Ozark Bicycle said:

I agree that ePay is the place for a pair of SGRs. If some fool pays
enough for 'em, maybe they'll just "show" them and never actually use
them.

They can go right up there with the Cinelli M71s.

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John Thompson said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

I agree that ePay is the place for a pair of SGRs. If some fool pays
enough for 'em, maybe they'll just "show" them and never actually use
them.

They can go right up there with the Cinelli M71s.

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John ([email hidden])

Just sold a new in the box pair for $99...

On Apr 9, 4:56 pm, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

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John Thompson said:

On 2007-04-08, Ozark Bicycle <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I agree that ePay is the place for a pair of SGRs. If some fool pays
enough for 'em, maybe they'll just "show" them and never actually use
them.

Quoted message said:

They can go right up there with the Cinelli M71s.

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John ([email hidden])

Just sold a new in the box pair for $99...

Nashbar has some SPD-clone clipless pedals for $18pr that will
function better as clipless pedals (yes, I know the bearings won't
last as long.....).

OTOH, $99pr is not expensive for a "show" piece.

On Apr 6, 9:10 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Apr 5, 4:13 pm, Michael Warner <[email hidden]> wrote:

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To bad shimano didn't figure this out first, another example of using
customers to product test. Maybe they should have looked at
Campagnolo's pedals, which for Profit, have always had a steel plate.

you're not credible because you've invested your identity so deeply
with one company.

as always campy was late to the party with some trendy idea another
company popularized, regadless of whether it was a good idea or not.

brake lever shifters
mtn. bike parts
cassette hub
carbon crappola
oversize BB spindles
prebuilt wheelsets

On Apr 10, 1:50 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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On Apr 6, 9:10 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Apr 5, 4:13 pm, Michael Warner <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

To bad shimano didn't figure this out first, another example of using
customers to product test. Maybe they should have looked at
Campagnolo's pedals, which for Profit, have always had a steel plate.

you're not credible because you've invested your identity so deeply
with one company.

as always campy was late to the party with some trendy idea another
company popularized, regadless of whether it was a good idea or not.

brake lever shifters
mtn. bike parts
cassette hub
carbon crappola
oversize BB spindles
prebuilt wheelsets

But Campagnolo did them better with more thought into how the part
will work while bicycling.

Take Ergo shifters. Unlike STI, you cannot accidentally apply the
brakes while shifting. Take Ergo shifters again with the ability to
trim the front derailleur. STI trimming ability is awful. And SRAM
just sidestepped the problem by trying to convince people with
marketing that trim is unneccessary on the big ring. But they added
marginal trim on the small ring. SRAM had 10-15 years of studying
Ergo and STI and they still could not figure out how to add trim to
their shifters even as good as the awful trim on STI.

10 speed cassettes. Campagnolo has a nice 13-29. Big 29 cog.
Shimano stops at 27 for the biggest cog on its 10 speeds. SRAM stops
at 26 for the big cog on its 10 speed cassettes. With Shimano and
SRAM they all start with 11 or 12 teeth. They are so clueless about
biking that they think a person needing a 27 or even 26 big cog to get
up a hill has the ability to spin a 11 or 12 cog? Do people at
Shimano or SRAM know what bicycling is about?

I have some Campagnolo prebuilt wheels. Finest quality. Shamal was
started back in 1991 I think. Long, long before many of the others
got into it. Campagnolo was one of the very first to offer prebuilt
wheels. Good or bad. Wasn't the Giro won on the original Shamal
wheels? Campagnolo helped make the prebuilt wheels trendy with their
racing success. Good or bad.

Isn't the Shimano Dura Ace 10 speed rear cassette hub an exact copy of
the Campagnolo aluminum hollow oversized axle rear hub they created in
1999? In 7-8 years Shimano could not think up a different way to make
a light, high quality rear hub other than copy exactly a 7-8 year old
design by Campagnolo.

Campagnolo started using carbon Ergo levers in 1999 with Record. One
of the first visible uses of carbon. Who had carbon stuff on their
bikes before 1999 Ergo levers? And the Ergo bodies were carbon, under
the rubber hoods, several years earlier. So Campagnolo started the
trend and popularity of carbon bike parts. Others copied Campagnolo.