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  1. The improvements over the old model seem to be:

    * WAAS/EGNOS.

    Not useful in UK yet.

    * 20 routes instead of one.

    Very useful. In fact I'd like 50, but I'll put up with 20. Couldn't
    abide only having one.

    * New configurable trip parameters page.

    This is *very* nice. Five fields which can select from a few dozen
    interesting numbers. Reduces hugely all that annoying button clicking
    you had to do to wander around the menus finding OS grid co-ordinates
    here, ETE to final route destination there, etc..

    * Hunting and fishing "good times", which include a display of
    sunrise, sunset, moorise, moonset, and moon phase, for a specific
    waypoint, at a specified date, default to today's date, but can be
    edited. Means you don't need to have web access to find out the time
    of sunset on Ben Nevis next month, and whether there'll be a good moon
    if you take too long :-)

    * 10,000 trackpoints in the tracklog.

    Aaaahhhhh, lovely :-)

    Tracking can be turned on and off. Very nice, means you can use it to
    navigate back home in the car without risking an overwrite of the
    interesting mountain active track, and start and stop tracks cleanly.
    You can also turn wrap off, when it stops recording when the track
    buffer is full. Tracking mode can also be set for time intervals,
    distance intervals, or five different resolutions of auto. The highest
    resolution of auto gives a more detailed and more accurate track than
    the tracking mode of my old and good model of Summit, and looks as
    though it should take about 17 hours to fill the tracklog.

    [Good model of Summit? Seems there was quite a bit of sample variation
    in eTrexes. Mine appeared to perform so much better under heavy tree
    cover etc. than other users reported their eTrexes did that in
    discussions of this we agreed that the difference couldn't just be
    because they were idiots, like the man I met who held his with his
    thumb over the aerial :-)]

    Compared to a known good tracking model of Summit it seems to have the
    same sensitivity and ability to find and keep lock, but is more
    sensible about how it recovers from lost lock, producing fewer and
    less extreme jagged track artefacts in lossy conditions. The detail is
    significantly better at highest auto resolution, producing nice
    hexagonal approximations to small circles which the Summit renders as
    jagged and highly irregular quadrilaterals.

    * Improved battery life. They claim 16 hrs normal use for the new one,
    which seems probable given that with new batteries it takes a third
    less power (which will extend life a lot more than by a third).

    And of course it now has plenty of code headroom for further software
    enhancements and bug fixes. (Mine is software version 3.20. 3.30 is
    now up on the Garmin web site.) There's still some nice things the
    Geko 201 does which this doesn't, such as pan over the track, but it's
    now a good alternative to the Geko, as opposed to being an outdated
    precursor. Especially at its price!

    Shame they didn't take the opportunity to update simulator (aka DEMO)
    mode. The only difference appears to be that you can now switch
    tracking on and off in DEMO mode. A useful tip for these crippled
    constant-speed eTrex simulators is that they run at a speed of 20
    things, where things is whatever distance units were in place when you
    started DEMO mode. Nautical is nearly twice as fast as metric.

    AFAIK there's nothing in the appearance or packaging to indicate the
    difference between old and new models. You have to switch it on. On
    the "system" menu it shows a choice of WAAS and a software version of
    3 or more.

    There's a similarly upgraded Summit. Be interesting to see what effect
    these have on Geko prices, since they make the Gekos look rather
    expensive now.

    At an entry level price this is now a pretty sophisticated
    GPSR. Although it lacks the interesting and occasionally useful
    altimeter and compass of my old Summit, the trip parameter page, the
    much larger and much more controllable tracklog, and the improved
    battery life, mean that it'll usually replace my Summit in my
    pocket. The Summit will get used as an altimeter and barometer.

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

  2. "Chris Malcolm" <[email hidden]> wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    The improvements over the old model seem to be:

    Thanks for the excellent report Chris!

    Regards

    Keith L

  3. "Chris Malcolm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The improvements over the old model seem to be:

    * WAAS/EGNOS.

    Not useful in UK yet.

    * 20 routes instead of one.

    Very useful. In fact I'd like 50, but I'll put up with 20. Couldn't
    abide only having one.

    * New configurable trip parameters page.

    This is *very* nice. Five fields which can select from a few dozen
    interesting numbers. Reduces hugely all that annoying button clicking
    you had to do to wander around the menus finding OS grid co-ordinates
    here, ETE to final route destination there, etc..

    * Hunting and fishing "good times", which include a display of
    sunrise, sunset, moorise, moonset, and moon phase, for a specific
    waypoint, at a specified date, default to today's date, but can be
    edited. Means you don't need to have web access to find out the time
    of sunset on Ben Nevis next month, and whether there'll be a good moon
    if you take too long :-)

    * 10,000 trackpoints in the tracklog.

    Aaaahhhhh, lovely :-)

    Tracking can be turned on and off. Very nice, means you can use it to
    navigate back home in the car without risking an overwrite of the
    interesting mountain active track, and start and stop tracks cleanly.
    You can also turn wrap off, when it stops recording when the track
    buffer is full. Tracking mode can also be set for time intervals,
    distance intervals, or five different resolutions of auto. The highest
    resolution of auto gives a more detailed and more accurate track than
    the tracking mode of my old and good model of Summit, and looks as
    though it should take about 17 hours to fill the tracklog.

    [Good model of Summit? Seems there was quite a bit of sample variation
    in eTrexes. Mine appeared to perform so much better under heavy tree
    cover etc. than other users reported their eTrexes did that in
    discussions of this we agreed that the difference couldn't just be
    because they were idiots, like the man I met who held his with his
    thumb over the aerial :-)]

    Compared to a known good tracking model of Summit it seems to have the
    same sensitivity and ability to find and keep lock, but is more
    sensible about how it recovers from lost lock, producing fewer and
    less extreme jagged track artefacts in lossy conditions. The detail is
    significantly better at highest auto resolution, producing nice
    hexagonal approximations to small circles which the Summit renders as
    jagged and highly irregular quadrilaterals.

    * Improved battery life. They claim 16 hrs normal use for the new one,
    which seems probable given that with new batteries it takes a third
    less power (which will extend life a lot more than by a third).

    And of course it now has plenty of code headroom for further software
    enhancements and bug fixes. (Mine is software version 3.20. 3.30 is
    now up on the Garmin web site.) There's still some nice things the
    Geko 201 does which this doesn't, such as pan over the track, but it's
    now a good alternative to the Geko, as opposed to being an outdated
    precursor. Especially at its price!

    Shame they didn't take the opportunity to update simulator (aka DEMO)
    mode. The only difference appears to be that you can now switch
    tracking on and off in DEMO mode. A useful tip for these crippled
    constant-speed eTrex simulators is that they run at a speed of 20
    things, where things is whatever distance units were in place when you
    started DEMO mode. Nautical is nearly twice as fast as metric.

    AFAIK there's nothing in the appearance or packaging to indicate the
    difference between old and new models. You have to switch it on. On
    the "system" menu it shows a choice of WAAS and a software version of
    3 or more.

    There's a similarly upgraded Summit. Be interesting to see what effect
    these have on Geko prices, since they make the Gekos look rather
    expensive now.

    At an entry level price this is now a pretty sophisticated
    GPSR. Although it lacks the interesting and occasionally useful
    altimeter and compass of my old Summit, the trip parameter page, the
    much larger and much more controllable tracklog, and the improved
    battery life, mean that it'll usually replace my Summit in my
    pocket. The Summit will get used as an altimeter and barometer.

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

    Ta mate take look at that

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  4. On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 08:06:01 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Chris

    Malcolm) said:

    The improvements over the old model seem to be:

    * WAAS/EGNOS.

    Not useful in UK yet.

    * 20 routes instead of one.

    Yes, that would be handy. Any number greater than one would be good
    for me. If I am planning a weekend's walking I often want to put two
    routes into the Etrex ie one for each day.

    Oh well, I suppose I have three choices:

    - Splash out on a new GPSr (when there's nothing actually *wrong* with
    my old Etrex.)

    - Bother to take my iPAQ and botched homemade cable with me, so that I
    can transfer routes and tracks between MemoryMap and the Etrex.

    - Have one non-techy (paper map, pencil and compass) day on every
    walking weekend. This is my preferred solution! [Let the flames
    begin!]

    Judith

  5. "Judith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    SNIP

    Quoted message said:

    - Splash out on a new GPSr (when there's nothing actually *wrong* with
    my old Etrex.)

    - Bother to take my iPAQ and botched homemade cable with me, so that I
    can transfer routes and tracks between MemoryMap and the Etrex.

    This rather interests me - how did you achieve this. I have a Compaq iPAQ
    with Anquet Maps and an etrex Venture and have considered a cable to connect
    them. Please do share how you have managed it and what other software you
    needed.

    Quoted message said:

    - Have one non-techy (paper map, pencil and compass) day on every
    walking weekend. This is my preferred solution! [Let the flames
    begin!]

    Judith

    DaveB
    UK

  6. Dave said:


    "Judith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    SNIP

    Quoted message said:

    - Splash out on a new GPSr (when there's nothing actually *wrong* with
    my old Etrex.)

    - Bother to take my iPAQ and botched homemade cable with me, so that I
    can transfer routes and tracks between MemoryMap and the Etrex.

    This rather interests me - how did you achieve this. I have a Compaq iPAQ
    with Anquet Maps and an etrex Venture and have considered a cable to connect
    them. Please do share how you have managed it and what other software you
    needed.

    I would think that all you need is an iPaq serial cable and a GPS to
    serial crossover. My setup is for a Palm m505 and GPS 12. I made my
    own adapter for the GPS from an old 9-D extension cable and a plug
    from Pfranc.

    This is my cable comination
    www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/gps-pda-lead.jpg

    Pfranc are here http://www.pfranc.co.uk/

    You can get ready made cables here http://www.lynks.co.uk/pda.html
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  7. "Phil Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dave said:


    "Judith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    SNIP

    Quoted message said:

    - Splash out on a new GPSr (when there's nothing actually *wrong* with
    my old Etrex.)

    - Bother to take my iPAQ and botched homemade cable with me, so that I
    can transfer routes and tracks between MemoryMap and the Etrex.

    This rather interests me - how did you achieve this. I have a Compaq iPAQ
    with Anquet Maps and an etrex Venture and have considered a cable to


    connect

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them. Please do share how you have managed it and what other software you
    needed.

    I would think that all you need is an iPaq serial cable and a GPS to
    serial crossover. My setup is for a Palm m505 and GPS 12. I made my
    own adapter for the GPS from an old 9-D extension cable and a plug
    from Pfranc.

    This is my cable comination
    www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/gps-pda-lead.jpg

    Pfranc are here http://www.pfranc.co.uk/

    You can get ready made cables here http://www.lynks.co.uk/pda.html
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

    Thanks for that, I will give it a try.

    DaveB
    UK

  8. "Judith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 08:06:01 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Chris

    Oh well, I suppose I have three choices:

    - Splash out on a new GPSr (when there's nothing actually *wrong* with
    my old Etrex.)

    - Bother to take my iPAQ and botched homemade cable with me, so that I
    can transfer routes and tracks between MemoryMap and the Etrex.

    - Have one non-techy (paper map, pencil and compass) day on every
    walking weekend. This is my preferred solution! [Let the flames
    begin!]

    Judith


    Perhaps another choice. Upload all waypoints that are required for your
    various routes. Number the waypoints for your first route in the 100-150
    range second route 200-250 etc . then in the evening it's a 5 minute job to
    delete the route you used and load the waypoints manually for the new route
    quite quickly, as they're easily found in the index because they'll be
    consecutive if the 3 digit convention is used....or buy a new one. I have to
    use this method with my colleagues etrex, but I upgraded 'cos it's easier.
    When planning in Memory map the first route name should end in 100 then
    rename waypoints and it should auto name the waypoints correctly etc.

    Alan

  9. Phil Cook said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    - Bother to take my iPAQ and botched homemade cable with me, so that I
    can transfer routes and tracks between MemoryMap and the Etrex.

    This rather interests me - how did you achieve this. I have a Compaq iPAQ
    with Anquet Maps and an etrex Venture and have considered a cable to connect
    them. Please do share how you have managed it and what other software you
    needed.

    I would think that all you need is an iPaq serial cable and a GPS to
    serial crossover. My setup is for a Palm m505 and GPS 12. I made my
    own adapter for the GPS from an old 9-D extension cable and a plug
    from Pfranc.

    This is from memory:

    - I have a 9 pin serial to Garmin lead
    - I have a 9 pin serial to iPaq lead
    - I have various gender changers and 25 to 9 pin serial converters

    I tried to buy a Male-Male 9-pin serial crossover but couldn't find
    one, so I managed to link together a mix of 25-9, 25-25 M-M crossover
    and both leads. It's not pretty, and it's very bulky, but it does
    work. I used my multimeter to confirm that I was getting the right
    pin connections before I switched on the Etrex and/or iPAQ....... and
    everything worked without much messing about.

    I can't remember whether I had to do anything to Multimap but I don't
    think it was difficult. Oh hang on, I remember a problem I had. I
    have a folding keyboard for the iPaq and it shares the same port as
    the GPS cable. I had to disable the keyboard driver to get the iPaq
    to work. This is a simple tick-box in the keyboard set-up.

    I'm sorry that this description is all a bit vague but it may help!

    Judith

  10. Phil Cook said:

    This is my cable comination
    www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/gps-pda-lead.jpg

    Ha ha! Mine's about 3-foot longer than that and has at least four
    more components! I really must get round to making the crossover
    connection that I need.

    Judith

  11. "Judith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Phil Cook said:
    Quoted message said:

    > - Bother to take my iPAQ and botched homemade cable with me, so that I
    > can transfer routes and tracks between MemoryMap and the Etrex.
    >

    This rather interests me - how did you achieve this. I have a Compaq


    iPAQ

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with Anquet Maps and an etrex Venture and have considered a cable to


    connect

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them. Please do share how you have managed it and what other software


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    needed.

    I would think that all you need is an iPaq serial cable and a GPS to
    serial crossover. My setup is for a Palm m505 and GPS 12. I made my
    own adapter for the GPS from an old 9-D extension cable and a plug
    from Pfranc.

    This is from memory:

    - I have a 9 pin serial to Garmin lead
    - I have a 9 pin serial to iPaq lead
    - I have various gender changers and 25 to 9 pin serial converters

    I tried to buy a Male-Male 9-pin serial crossover but couldn't find
    one, so I managed to link together a mix of 25-9, 25-25 M-M crossover
    and both leads. It's not pretty, and it's very bulky, but it does
    work. I used my multimeter to confirm that I was getting the right
    pin connections before I switched on the Etrex and/or iPAQ....... and
    everything worked without much messing about.

    I can't remember whether I had to do anything to Multimap but I don't
    think it was difficult. Oh hang on, I remember a problem I had. I
    have a folding keyboard for the iPaq and it shares the same port as
    the GPS cable. I had to disable the keyboard driver to get the iPaq
    to work. This is a simple tick-box in the keyboard set-up.

    I'm sorry that this description is all a bit vague but it may help!

    Judith

    tHANKS THAT IS HELPFUL AND i WILL GIVE IT A TRY.

    dAVEb
    uk

  12. On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:03:34 +0100, "Al" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snip reasons to buy a new GPSr>

    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps another choice. Upload all waypoints that are required for your
    various routes. Number the waypoints for your first route in the 100-150
    range second route 200-250 etc . then in the evening it's a 5 minute job to
    delete the route you used and load the waypoints manually for the new route
    quite quickly, as they're easily found in the index because they'll be
    consecutive if the 3 digit convention is used....or buy a new one. I have to
    use this method with my colleagues etrex, but I upgraded 'cos it's easier.
    When planning in Memory map the first route name should end in 100 then
    rename waypoints and it should auto name the waypoints correctly etc.

    Yes, that method does seem to work. I'm not very disciplined in my
    waypoint naming and the original Etrex limits you to 8 characters
    (from memory) so I find that, to do things "properly", I write down my
    waypoint names and descriptions in my waterproof notepad. I can then
    tally them up when planning the next day's walking.

    I must sound like such a Luddite but the yellow Etrex does exactly
    what I bought it for and I do quite enjoy finding new solutions to its
    limitations (on the few occasions when I need more than the basics).

    Thanks for the tip.
    Judith

  13. Judith said:
    Phil Cook said:

    This is my cable comination
    www.p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk/temp/gps-pda-lead.jpg

    Ha ha! Mine's about 3-foot longer than that and has at least four
    more components! I really must get round to making the crossover
    connection that I need.

    As I've said elsewhere, I started off with the Palm serial lead and
    the Garmin serial plus cigarette lighter power lead and three bits of
    wire pushed into the serial leads (Gnd to Gnd Tx to Rx and Rx to Tx)
    to connect it all up. That lasted about two trips before I got the
    short adapter made up.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  14. "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    This rather interests me - how did you achieve this. I have a Compaq iPAQ
    with Anquet Maps and an etrex Venture and have considered a cable to
    connect
    them. Please do share how you have managed it and what other software you
    needed.


    Dave you may want to take a look at www.globalpositioning systems search
    either etrex or ipaq and check out accessories for either. You will find
    they do leads to fit both with a common connector reasonably priced.

    Cheers Alan

  15. Can anyone recommend a way of saving/uploading waypoints to the original
    eTREX via serial cable?

    Shareware preferred

    Alex

  16. alex said:

    Can anyone recommend a way of saving/uploading waypoints to the original
    eTREX via serial cable?

    Take a look at GPS Utility <www.gpsu.co.uk>

    Al
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