New law in Canada

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I'm from Montreal, canada, and low-carbing since few months.

Yesterday I read in the newpaper that they will, in december2005, bannish
all products that are low-carb, and it will be bannish to wrote on a

product

Quoted message said:

the number of carb it contains!!!! They say that there are no proof that
low-carb products are good for the health and that's why they will bannish
them!!! I think that's completly ridiculous! We have the right to decide
what we want to eat or not!!!

I don't understand that. That denies you the choice of knowing what is in
the food you eat, and you certainly have the right to know that. You
Canadians have been letting your government exercise too much authority over
your lives.

Come to think of it, we Americans are guilty of the same thing.

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Hum!

Annie

I would like to see a link to this. I really can't believe that it is true
to be honest. A link, or I am a non-believer.

Curt

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Quoted message said:

I'm from Montreal, canada, and low-carbing since few months.

Yesterday I read in the newpaper that they will, in december2005, bannish
all products that are low-carb, and it will be bannish to wrote on a

product

Quoted message said:

the number of carb it contains!!!! They say that there are no proof that
low-carb products are good for the health and that's why they will bannish
them!!! I think that's completly ridiculous! We have the right to decide
what we want to eat or not!!!

Hum!

Annie

news.cgocable.ca said:

I'm from Montreal, canada, and low-carbing since few months.

Yesterday I read in the newpaper that they will, in december2005,
bannish all products that are low-carb, and it will be bannish to
wrote on a product the number of carb it contains!!!! They say that
there are no proof that low-carb products are good for the health and
that's why they will bannish them!!! I think that's completly
ridiculous! We have the right to decide what we want to eat or not!!!

Hum!

Annie

Hi Annie,
Funny you mention this, my doctor and I were talking about this today, but
I'm afraid you have the wrong facts or at least misread them. They are
going to stop labelling the low carb products as low carb specialty foods on
the front of the packages, they won't be able to say Atkins endorsed and
they are not changing any nutrition labels.
Please read:
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/09/22/639505-cp.html

Your neibour from BC,
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Come to think of it, we Americans are guilty of the same thing.

Yea no kidding.
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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I'm from Montreal, canada, and low-carbing since few months.

Yesterday I read in the newpaper that they will, in december2005, bannish
all products that are low-carb, and it will be bannish to wrote on a product
the number of carb it contains!!!! They say that there are no proof that
low-carb products are good for the health and that's why they will bannish
them!!! I think that's completly ridiculous! We have the right to decide
what we want to eat or not!!!

Troll.

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Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

Saffire said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

Quoted message said:

I'm from Montreal, canada, and low-carbing since few months.

Yesterday I read in the newpaper that they will, in december2005,
bannish all products that are low-carb, and it will be bannish to
wrote on a product the number of carb it contains!!!! They say that
there are no proof that low-carb products are good for the health
and that's why they will bannish them!!! I think that's completly
ridiculous! We have the right to decide what we want to eat or not!!!

Troll.

Just saw your new pic Saffy, you're looking fantastic!
Monica

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TavliGal said:

Saffire wrote:
<snip>

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Saffire
205/148/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

Just saw your new pic Saffy, you're looking fantastic!
Monica

Thanks for pointing this out.

Wow, Saffire - better and better and better. Congratulations! What a
hot young woman you are. 🙂

April.
(You're a year older than I am.)
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things. Well known fact." Esmerelda Weatherwax. (Pratchett 1988)

news.cgocable.ca said:

I'm from Montreal, canada, and low-carbing since few months.

Yesterday I read in the newpaper that they will, in december2005, bannish
all products that are low-carb, and it will be bannish to wrote on a product
the number of carb it contains!!!! They say that there are no proof that
low-carb products are good for the health and that's why they will bannish
them!!! I think that's completly ridiculous! We have the right to decide
what we want to eat or not!!!

Hum!

Annie

Something is wrong with either the information you got, or with the way
in which you represented it, or misrepresented it.

Jim

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I don't see that they will not write the amount of carbs on the package.
They don't want to market the products as low carb. It is stupid, but the
people that are on LC, can still read the labels for carb counts.

I think this violates freedom of speech. Really stupid and people should be
able to make up their own minds if they want to buy an Atkins approved
product or one that advertises low carb.

curt

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news.cgocable.ca said:

I'm from Montreal, canada, and low-carbing since few months.

Yesterday I read in the newpaper that they will, in december2005,
bannish all products that are low-carb, and it will be bannish to
wrote on a product the number of carb it contains!!!! They say that
there are no proof that low-carb products are good for the health and
that's why they will bannish them!!! I think that's completly
ridiculous! We have the right to decide what we want to eat or not!!!

Hum!

Annie

Hi Annie,
Funny you mention this, my doctor and I were talking about this today, but
I'm afraid you have the wrong facts or at least misread them. They are
going to stop labelling the low carb products as low carb specialty foods

on

Quoted message said:

the front of the packages, they won't be able to say Atkins endorsed and
they are not changing any nutrition labels.
Please read:
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/09/22/639505-cp.html

Your neibour from BC,
Monica
--
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362/255/Goal: Till my thighs don't rub together anymore.
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curt said:

I think this violates freedom of speech.

Does Canada protect Freedom of Speech?
Anyway, Freedom of Speech doesn't apply to fraud or spreading false
information about a product. If you try to sell snake oil as a cure for
cancer, you're not protected by the constitution. Marketing a high carb
product as "low carb" just because you cut the total amount of carbs by
20% is fraud. Currently, if I made candies with only 80g of sugar per
100g, I could market them as "low carb", since the usual recipe is 100g
per 100g. Likewise, marketing products as "diet" because they were low
in fat (and very very high in fast acting carbs) was a kind of fraud
too. Likewise, market oil as carb free is a kind of fraud too, since
it's a natural property of all oils, not a specific quality of the product.
You have all the nutritionnal data you need in the nutrition information
chart, and this one is regulated by law. The nutritionnal claims that
are anywhere else on the package are not regulated. But people could be
led to believe that they carry the same truth value as the legal
nutritionnal information.

Ignoramus26015 said:

Here in the US, we have the opposite problem, products are being sold
with a bold LOW CARB label, even though they are in fact not at all
low carb.

We have "low carb" candy bars, candy, bread, etc.

I think that's exactly what they're trying to prevent...

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Neither country is a problem for people who know that only real food
is worth eating.

Well, it's only a minority of people. The vast majority will be happy to
be on a low carb diet, made of low carb candies, low carb chocolate bars
and low carb cereals. Just like they were happy with the low fat (high
corn syrup, all fats = high hydrogenated oil) version.
I mean, 40% of the people still don't know tobacco is a risk factor for
heart disease... That's just how fast health and nutrition ideas get
into the mainstream population... I'm sure you still have quite a lot of
people who don't know the difference between carbs and proteins, and
where you find them...

In news:[email hidden],
news.cgocable.ca <[email hidden]> stated
| I'm from Montreal, canada, and low-carbing since few months.
|
| Yesterday I read in the newpaper that they will, in december2005,
| bannish all products that are low-carb, and it will be bannish to
| wrote on a product the number of carb it contains!!!! They say that
| there are no proof that low-carb products are good for the health and
| that's why they will bannish them!!! I think that's completly
| ridiculous! We have the right to decide what we want to eat or not!!!
|
| Hum!
|
| Annie

Here's the actual article, the regulations just prohibit health claims for
low carb or claims that a product is low carb. However, the carb content
will still be stated in the nutritional label. And they are not banishing
any products, just claims that they are beneficial.

September 22, 2004

Canada gets new carb rules

By BRUCE CHEADLE

OTTAWA (CP) - A hardline government stand on carbohydrate claims for new
Canadian food labels has prompted a sharp retort from the purveyors of the
Atkins low-carb diet.

Health Canada and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency are telling food
producers that new labelling regulations will eliminate all references to
low-carb benefits.

When the rules take effect next year, carbohydrate content must be listed on
the Nutrifacts table on all food and beverage packaging. But other
carb-related claims, including in the product's brand name or trademark,
will be prohibited.

The regulation could affect hundreds of new products coming on to the market
to capitalize on the low-carb diet movement, led by Atkins Nutritional
Approach.

"I take exception to saying there's no science to this approach and that
it's unhealthy," Colette Heimowitz, an Atkins vice-president, said Wednesday
from New York.

"It takes big government agencies a while to embrace the research. But at
least acknowledge the research that has been done in the last three years."

The company issued a news release contending that 37 different studies have
shown that "controlling carbohydrate intake is key to healthy nutrition,
achieving and maintaining a healthy weight, and to good overall health."

Health Canada says it is simply following the guidance of the U.S.-based
Institute of Medicine, which in 2002 recommended that 45 to 65 per cent of a
person's daily caloric intake come from carbohydrates.

"There are no recommendations to decrease carbohydrate intake. All
recommendations are that carbohydrate is the major source of calories in the
diet," said Christina Zehaluk of Health Canada's bureau of nutritional
sciences.

"Therefore, based on that science - based on those dietary recommendations -
it was considered inappropriate to have claims which highlighted foods that
were low in carbohydrates.

"For the general public there's no need to reduce carbohydrate intake, or
look for foods that are lower in carbohydrate."
Because they imply carbohydrate benefits, said one official, trademarks such
as Unilever's Carb Options line likely will be prohibited when the
regulations take effect Dec. 12, 2005.

The Canadian Food Inspection Agency has yet to work through all the
ramifications of the regulations and wouldn't offer an opinion on other
trademarks, such as Subway's Atkins wraps or Coca Cola's new C2. Both are
explicitly pitched on their low-carb benefits.

"The devil's in the detail when you start to execute these regulations -
hopefully you anticipate everything," said Kim McKinnon of the Canadian
Council of Grocery Distributors.

The pending regulatory changes were published last year and the organization
is well aware of them, said McKinnon.

"It hasn't been on the radar screen, but I'm sure it will be now."

One group potentially affected by the changes are diabetics.

Peter Hope-Tindall, diagnosed with diabetes three years ago, says the
low-carb diet craze has made his life easier in grocery store aisles.

"As a diabetic, the most important thing I can manage from my compliance
point of view is the amount of carbohydrate I take in," said the Toronto
privacy consultant.

"And while I'm all in favour of clear labelling, it just seems to be a bit
of overkill. They may end up throwing out the baby with the bath water
here."

But a senior nutritionist for the Canadian Diabetes Association said
clinical practice guidelines for diabetics include between 50 and 55 per
cent of the calories from carbohydrates.

"So we don't think they need low carbohydrate foods," said Sharon Zeiler,
the association's senior nutrition manager.

If you read the article.. you see that they are in fact not allowing certain
products becuase of thier name..

Snip from the article you left for us to read

Because they imply carbohydrate benefits, said one official, trademarks such
as Unilever's Carb Options line likely will be prohibited when the
regulations take effect Dec. 12, 2005.

Unsnip

They just have to change the name, not take the product off the market.

In news:[email hidden],
Penny <[email hidden]> stated
| If you read the article.. you see that they are in fact not allowing
| certain products becuase of thier name..
|
| Snip from the article you left for us to read
|
| Because they imply carbohydrate benefits, said one official,
| trademarks such as Unilever's Carb Options line likely will be
| prohibited when the regulations take effect Dec. 12, 2005.
|
| Unsnip

FOB said:

In news:[email hidden],
news.cgocable.ca <[email hidden]> stated
| I'm from Montreal, canada, and low-carbing since few months.
|
| Yesterday I read in the newpaper that they will, in december2005,
| bannish all products that are low-carb, and it will be bannish to
| wrote on a product the number of carb it contains!!!! They say that
| there are no proof that low-carb products are good for the health and
| that's why they will bannish them!!! I think that's completly
| ridiculous! We have the right to decide what we want to eat or not!!!
|
| Hum!
|
| Annie

Here's the actual article, the regulations just prohibit health claims
for
low carb or claims that a product is low carb. However, the carb content
will still be stated in the nutritional label. And they are not
banishing
any products, just claims that they are beneficial.

September 22, 2004

Canada gets new carb rules

By BRUCE CHEADLE

OTTAWA (CP) - A hardline government stand on carbohydrate claims for new
Canadian food labels has prompted a sharp retort from the purveyors of
the
Atkins low-carb diet.

Health Canada and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency are telling food
producers that new labelling regulations will eliminate all references to
low-carb benefits.

When the rules take effect next year, carbohydrate content must be
listed on
the Nutrifacts table on all food and beverage packaging. But other
carb-related claims, including in the product's brand name or trademark,
will be prohibited.

The regulation could affect hundreds of new products coming on to the
market
to capitalize on the low-carb diet movement, led by Atkins Nutritional
Approach.

"I take exception to saying there's no science to this approach and that
it's unhealthy," Colette Heimowitz, an Atkins vice-president, said
Wednesday
from New York.

"It takes big government agencies a while to embrace the research. But at
least acknowledge the research that has been done in the last three
years."

The company issued a news release contending that 37 different studies
have
shown that "controlling carbohydrate intake is key to healthy nutrition,
achieving and maintaining a healthy weight, and to good overall health."

Health Canada says it is simply following the guidance of the U.S.-based
Institute of Medicine, which in 2002 recommended that 45 to 65 per cent
of a
person's daily caloric intake come from carbohydrates.

"There are no recommendations to decrease carbohydrate intake. All
recommendations are that carbohydrate is the major source of calories in
the
diet," said Christina Zehaluk of Health Canada's bureau of nutritional
sciences.

"Therefore, based on that science - based on those dietary
recommendations -
it was considered inappropriate to have claims which highlighted foods
that
were low in carbohydrates.

What science?

Quoted message said:

"For the general public there's no need to reduce carbohydrate intake, or
look for foods that are lower in carbohydrate."
Because they imply carbohydrate benefits, said one official, trademarks
such
as Unilever's Carb Options line likely will be prohibited when the
regulations take effect Dec. 12, 2005.

The Canadian Food Inspection Agency has yet to work through all the
ramifications of the regulations and wouldn't offer an opinion on other
trademarks, such as Subway's Atkins wraps or Coca Cola's new C2. Both are
explicitly pitched on their low-carb benefits.

"The devil's in the detail when you start to execute these regulations -
hopefully you anticipate everything," said Kim McKinnon of the Canadian
Council of Grocery Distributors.

The pending regulatory changes were published last year and the
organization
is well aware of them, said McKinnon.

"It hasn't been on the radar screen, but I'm sure it will be now."

One group potentially affected by the changes are diabetics.

Peter Hope-Tindall, diagnosed with diabetes three years ago, says the
low-carb diet craze has made his life easier in grocery store aisles.

"As a diabetic, the most important thing I can manage from my compliance
point of view is the amount of carbohydrate I take in," said the Toronto
privacy consultant.

"And while I'm all in favour of clear labelling, it just seems to be a
bit
of overkill. They may end up throwing out the baby with the bath water
here."

But a senior nutritionist for the Canadian Diabetes Association said
clinical practice guidelines for diabetics include between 50 and 55 per
cent of the calories from carbohydrates.

"So we don't think they need low carbohydrate foods," said Sharon Zeiler,
the association's senior nutrition manager.

That's obscene. They're trying to kill diabetics instead of help them.

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I'm from Montreal, canada, and low-carbing since few months.

Yesterday I read in the newpaper that they will, in december2005, bannish
all products that are low-carb, and it will be bannish to wrote on a product
the number of carb it contains!!!! They say that there are no proof that
low-carb products are good for the health and that's why they will bannish
them!!! I think that's completly ridiculous! We have the right to decide
what we want to eat or not!!!

Hum!

Annie

I don't think that they are banishing all things low-carb. I believe
that they are prohibiting labels that trumpet products as low-carb.

The amounts of carbs will still be shown on the labels along with
calories, proteins, fats etc.

TC

tcomeau said:

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Quoted message said:

I'm from Montreal, canada, and low-carbing since few months.

Yesterday I read in the newpaper that they will, in december2005,
bannish
all products that are low-carb, and it will be bannish to wrote on a
product
the number of carb it contains!!!! They say that there are no proof that
low-carb products are good for the health and that's why they will
bannish
them!!! I think that's completly ridiculous! We have the right to decide
what we want to eat or not!!!

Hum!

Annie

I don't think that they are banishing all things low-carb. I believe
that they are prohibiting labels that trumpet products as low-carb.

The amounts of carbs will still be shown on the labels along with
calories, proteins, fats etc.

TC

They should be fair and get rid of "low fat," too. They should also say,
"high sugar" and "filled with processed [censored] like hydrogenated oils and
high fructose corn syrup" and "this [censored] really isn't fit for human
consumption, but we're feeding it to you because it's low fat/low carb"
and "because the list of ingredients is written in 5-point font and
contains words only a chemist could love, you really shouldn't eat this."

--
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Just saw your new pic Saffy, you're looking fantastic!

Thank you! I'm really starting to SEE it now, too. Whenever I catch myself in
the mirror, I ALWAYS look thinner to myself now, whereas up to about a week or so
ago, I still would see myself as heavy at times, if not fat. I think I've
crossed another one of those subtle threshholds and I LIKE it :-)

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Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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TavliGal said:

Saffire wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

Saffire
205/148/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

Just saw your new pic Saffy, you're looking fantastic!
Monica

Quoted message said:

Thanks for pointing this out.

Wow, Saffire - better and better and better. Congratulations! What a
hot young woman you are. 🙂

April.
(You're a year older than I am.)

Thank you, April! I AM pretty hot, actually (because I've been running a fever
of 101 for about 5 days now :-) You have no idea how good this is for my ego
(the compliments, not the fever, although that HAS imbued a rosy glow to my
normally fish-belly-white cheeks). Wait sec -- yes, you DO know how great it is!

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Saffire
205/148/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333