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  1. D and I will close on a new (new to us, anyway) house
    tomorrow morning. It's a beaut. Designed by an architect for
    his family. Ultra-moderne 1952, atomic age design. I love it
    to distraction. It comes with an unattached office (the
    architect's work space) next door and five pecan trees in
    the yard and over twenty fig trees and (ulp) a swimming
    pool. Chez modom is moving up.

    The kitchen has its ups and downs. It's about three times as
    big as our current one, which is basically a hallway with a
    sink, appliances and cabinets. The new one has a nifty
    center island/prep area and plenty of storage in a combo walk-
    in pantry and utility room. But, alas, it comes with an aged
    electric range (tres moderne) which I don't like at all. My
    current gas range is pretty crummy, but it's gas, at least.
    Since the house is built on a slab foundation and since it
    has no attic, plumbing for gas may prove problematic, not to
    mention expensive.

    Guess I'll get used to electric cooking for the
    foreseeable future.

    Installing a larger, deeper sink won't be as much of a
    problem.

    modom

  2. Quoted message said:

    My current gas range is pretty crummy, but it's gas, at
    least. Since the house is built on a slab foundation and
    since it has no attic, plumbing for gas may prove
    problematic, not to mention expensive. modom

    Why? Assuming you'll be using LP, copper tubing is pretty
    easy to route through walls... if need be can easily be
    chased into a concrete floor (a groove is cut with an
    abrasive saw), and can even be run under a concrete slab
    (a path cut with high pressure water). Not expensive...
    most LP gas companys will do a through the wall
    installation for free.

    ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED
    NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be
    devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

  3. modom said:

    D and I will close on a new (new to us, anyway) house
    tomorrow morning. It's a beaut. Designed by an architect
    for his family. Ultra-moderne 1952, atomic age design. I
    love it to distraction. It comes with an unattached office
    (the architect's work space) next door and five pecan trees
    in the yard and over twenty fig trees and (ulp) a swimming
    pool. Chez modom is moving up.

    The kitchen has its ups and downs. It's about three times
    as big as our current one, which is basically a hallway
    with a sink, appliances and cabinets. The new one has a
    nifty center island/prep area and plenty of storage in a
    combo walk-in pantry and utility room. But, alas, it comes
    with an aged electric range (tres moderne) which I don't
    like at all. My current gas range is pretty crummy, but
    it's gas, at least. Since the house is built on a slab
    foundation and since it has no attic, plumbing for gas may
    prove problematic, not to mention expensive.

    Guess I'll get used to electric cooking for the
    foreseeable future.

    I had to use electric in various residences. You'll get used
    to it; after a while I didn't even think about it. The newer
    electric ranges (even the coil ones) are pretty good. The
    major adaptations are moving the pan to control the heat
    quickly and using flat-bottomed pans. Oh, and being careful
    to turn on the correct burner! It's not immediately obvious
    as it is with gas. In the early days I turned the wrong
    burner on "high" and ended up with a frying pan on fire! Oh,
    and be careful not to touch any burners that look like
    they're off until you make sure they're cool.

    Or you could go with propane, but that's probably a PITA.

    Congratulations on the new house! Sue(tm) Lead me not into
    temptation... I can find it myself!

  4. Quoted message said:
    (Curly Sue) said:
    modom said:


    D and I will close on a new (new to us, anyway) house
    tomorrow morning. It's a beaut. Designed by an architect
    for his family. Ultra-moderne 1952, atomic age design. I
    love it to distraction. It comes with an unattached office
    (the architect's work space) next door and five pecan
    trees in the yard and over twenty fig trees and (ulp) a
    swimming pool. Chez modom is moving up.

    The kitchen has its ups and downs. It's about three times
    as big as our current one, which is basically a hallway
    with a sink, appliances and cabinets. The new one has a
    nifty center island/prep area and plenty of storage in a
    combo walk-in pantry and utility room. But, alas, it comes
    with an aged electric range (tres moderne) which I don't
    like at all. My current gas range is pretty crummy, but
    it's gas, at least. Since the house is built on a slab
    foundation and since it has no attic, plumbing for gas may
    prove problematic, not to mention expensive.

    Guess I'll get used to electric cooking for the
    foreseeable future.

    I had to use electric in various residences. You'll get
    used to it; after a while I didn't even think about it. The
    newer electric ranges (even the coil ones) are pretty good.
    The major adaptations are moving the pan to control the
    heat quickly and using flat-bottomed pans. Oh, and being
    careful to turn on the correct burner! It's not immediately
    obvious as it is with gas. In the early days I turned the
    wrong burner on "high" and ended up with a frying pan on
    fire! Oh, and be careful not to touch any burners that look
    like they're off until you make sure they're cool.

    Or you could go with propane, but that's probably a PITA.

    Why do you say that... LP gas works just fine... in fact I
    had my house converted last May from oil heat and electric
    cooking to propane heat and propane cooking, the
    installation couldn't be simpler... and while they were at
    it I had a line run out back for my Weber as well. I would
    never have oil heat again, it's filthy and requires
    maintainence... gas is clean so there is no maintainence
    whatsover, doesn't stink either.

    ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED
    NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be
    devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

  5. On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:16:03 GMT, [email hidden] (Curly

    Sue) said:

    On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:09:04 -0500, modom
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Guess I'll get used to electric cooking for the
    foreseeable future.

    I had to use electric in various residences. You'll get
    used to it; after a while I didn't even think about it. The
    newer electric ranges (even the coil ones) are pretty good.
    The major adaptations are moving the pan to control the
    heat quickly and using flat-bottomed pans. Oh, and being
    careful to turn on the correct burner! It's not immediately
    obvious as it is with gas. In the early days I turned the
    wrong burner on "high" and ended up with a frying pan on
    fire! Oh, and be careful not to touch any burners that look
    like they're off until you make sure they're cool.

    Thanks for the advice and warnings. I've used electric
    stoves before, but I just don't like them. Maybe I'll look
    into a new electric range after the budget shock of the
    house purchase has settled down some. The current one looks
    to be decades old.

    Quoted message said:


    Or you could go with propane, but that's probably a PITA.

    As I see it now, yup: PITA. Also what I love about the house
    is its clean modernist lines, and a propane tank doesn't
    seem a good fit.

    Quoted message said:


    Congratulations on the new house! Sue(tm)

    Thanks. I'm very excited!

    modom

  6. (PENMART01) said:
    Quoted message said:

    My current gas range is pretty crummy, but it's gas, at
    least. Since the house is built on a slab foundation and
    since it has no attic, plumbing for gas may prove
    problematic, not to mention expensive. modom

    Why? Assuming you'll be using LP, copper tubing is pretty
    easy to route through walls... if need be can easily be
    chased into a concrete floor (a groove is cut with an
    abrasive saw), and can even be run under a concrete slab
    (a path cut with high pressure water). Not expensive...
    most LP gas companys will do a through the wall
    installation for free.


    The house is plumbed for natural gas. The central heat and
    water heater are gas. LP gas isn't used here in town. The
    location of the cooking area is not conducive to burrowing
    under the slab because the current stove position (with vent
    hood and counter geometry) is many feet inside the perimeter
    of the slab. I've checked the blue prints for the house only
    quickly so far, but it appears the slab has a perimeter
    footing that goes about four or five feet down. (The "black
    gumbo" soil around here heaves like a sumbitch between wet
    and dry seasons, so slabs have to be seriously reinforced.
    It's like a slow-motion earthquake.)

    I've been told that setting water or gas plumbing in
    concrete is not permitted here. See the stuff about
    heaving soil above for the reasoning behind this. Routing
    through walls could work except for some doors are in the
    way and the pipe will have to make several right angle
    turns in all three dimensions between the existing gas
    fittings and the cook area. I'll have to get a plumber to
    look at it for me. If the house had an attic, the solution
    would be fairly simple.

    modom

  7. Congrats on the new-to-you house! Mine is a Victorian with
    gingerbread trim in a historic neighborhood with brick
    streets and wonderful trees, but it was always maintained
    very well. The kitchen has an electric oven and cooktop, and
    I actually prefer electric -- the kitchen stays cleaner! You
    might get to enjoy having an electric stove!

    modom <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    D and I will close on a new (new to us, anyway) house
    tomorrow morning. It's a beaut. Designed by an architect
    for his family. Ultra-moderne 1952, atomic age design. I
    love it to distraction. It comes with an unattached office
    (the architect's work space) next door and five pecan
    trees in the yard and over twenty fig trees and (ulp) a
    swimming pool. Chez modom is moving up.

    The kitchen has its ups and downs. It's about three times
    as big as our current one, which is basically a hallway
    with a sink, appliances and cabinets. The new one has a
    nifty center island/prep area and plenty of storage in a
    combo walk-in pantry and utility room. But, alas, it comes
    with an aged electric range (tres moderne) which I don't
    like at all. My current gas range is pretty crummy, but
    it's gas, at least. Since the house is built on a slab
    foundation and since it has no attic, plumbing for gas may
    prove problematic, not to mention expensive.

    Guess I'll get used to electric cooking for the
    foreseeable future.

    Installing a larger, deeper sink won't be as much of a
    problem.

    modom

  8. modom <[email hidden]> wrote in news:7tu580t6nkb8il1dd6uhk2t297gbrp11e7
    @4ax.com:

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:16:03 GMT,

    (Curly Sue) said:

    On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:09:04 -0500, modom
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Guess I'll get used to electric cooking for the
    foreseeable future.

    I had to use electric in various residences. You'll get
    used to it; after a while I didn't even think about it.
    The newer electric ranges (even the coil ones) are pretty
    good. The major adaptations are moving the pan to control
    the heat quickly and using flat-bottomed pans. Oh, and
    being careful to turn on the correct burner! It's not
    immediately obvious as it is with gas. In the early days I
    turned the wrong burner on "high" and ended up with a
    frying pan on fire! Oh, and be careful not to touch any
    burners that look like they're off until you make sure
    they're cool.

    Thanks for the advice and warnings. I've used electric
    stoves before, but I just don't like them. Maybe I'll look
    into a new electric range after the budget shock of the
    house purchase has settled down some. The current one
    looks to be decades old.

    Quoted message said:


    Or you could go with propane, but that's probably a PITA.

    As I see it now, yup: PITA. Also what I love about the
    house is its clean modernist lines, and a propane tank
    doesn't seem a good fit.

    Quoted message said:


    Congratulations on the new house! Sue(tm)

    Thanks. I'm very excited!

    modom

    I understand your concern and your preferences, even though
    I personally do not like cooking on a gas range. You might,
    however, consider looking at commercial electric ranges or
    cooktops such as Vulcan or Garland. The burner elements are
    more powerful and built to withstand heavy use. Be prepared
    for sticker shock, however.

    To satisfy your desire for gas, you might also consider
    adding an outdoor kitchen with a gas cooktop or range
    installed.

    Wayne

  9. "modom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    D and I will close on a new (new to us, anyway) house
    tomorrow morning. It's a beaut. Designed by an architect
    for his family. Ultra-moderne 1952, atomic age design. I
    love it to distraction. It comes with an unattached office
    (the architect's work space) next door and five pecan
    trees in the yard and over twenty fig trees and (ulp) a
    swimming pool. Chez modom is moving up.

    The kitchen has its ups and downs. It's about three times
    as big as our current one, which is basically a hallway
    with a sink, appliances and cabinets. The new one has a
    nifty center island/prep area and plenty of storage in a
    combo walk-in pantry and utility room. But, alas, it comes
    with an aged electric range (tres moderne) which I don't
    like at all. My current gas range is pretty crummy, but
    it's gas, at least. Since the house is built on a slab
    foundation and since it has no attic, plumbing for gas may
    prove problematic, not to mention expensive.

    Guess I'll get used to electric cooking for the
    foreseeable future.

    Installing a larger, deeper sink won't be as much of a
    problem.

    modom

    The house sounds so cool - do you have any photos of it??

    Mia

  10. modom said:

    On 18 Apr 2004 19:06:23 GMT, [email hidden]

    (PENMART01) said:
    Quoted message said:

    My current gas range is pretty crummy, but it's gas, at
    least. Since the house is built on a slab foundation
    and since it has no attic, plumbing for gas may prove
    problematic, not to mention expensive. modom

    Why? Assuming you'll be using LP, copper tubing is pretty
    easy to route through walls... if need be can easily be
    chased into a concrete floor (a groove is cut with an
    abrasive saw), and can even be run under a concrete slab
    (a path cut with high pressure water). Not expensive...
    most LP gas companys will do a through the wall
    installation for free.


    The house is plumbed for natural gas. The central heat and
    water heater are gas. LP gas isn't used here in town. The
    location of the cooking area is not conducive to burrowing
    under the slab because the current stove position (with
    vent hood and counter geometry) is many feet inside the
    perimeter of the slab. I've checked the blue prints for
    the house only quickly so far, but it appears the slab has
    a perimeter footing that goes about four or five feet
    down. (The "black gumbo" soil around here heaves like a
    sumbitch between wet and dry seasons, so slabs have to be
    seriously reinforced. It's like a slow-motion earthquake.)

    If you already have a gas line for the heating and water,
    they should be able to put a branch off that. Turn off the
    main, cut into the line going to the furnace, put in a T-
    joint, run a line to where ever you want the gas oven.

    Most the places I did when I did heating had a basement with
    the furnace in one corner. The gas line typically came in
    from the street. The main ran up the street and a shut off
    exists on the front lawn of the house in case the gas
    company wants to shut off your gas during a fire.

    Most people put the furnace in the back of the basement so
    the gas line ran the length of the house. I just needed to
    tap in between the rafters you wanted the gas line to come
    up between, run a line to th e kitchen and drill a hole in
    the floor. A t-joint, a length of pipe, an L-joint and a
    shut off value (sometimes a union joint as well).

    Quoted message said:

    I've been told that setting water or gas plumbing in
    concrete is not permitted here. See the stuff about
    heaving soil above for the reasoning behind this. Routing
    through walls could work except for some doors are in the
    way and the pipe will have to make several right angle
    turns in all three dimensions between the existing gas
    fittings and the cook area. I'll have to get a plumber to
    look at it for me. If the house had an attic, the solution
    would be fairly simple.

    modom

    --
    Send e-mail to: darrell at cs dot toronto dot edu Don't send
    e-mail to [email hidden]

  11. Quoted message said:

    (Darrell Grainger) wrote:

    modom said:
    (PENMART01) wrote: modem said:

    > My current gas range is pretty crummy, but it's gas,
    > at least. Since the house is built on a slab
    > foundation and since it has no attic, plumbing for gas
    > may prove problematic, not to mention expensive. modom

    Why? Assuming you'll be using LP, copper tubing is
    pretty easy to route through walls... if need be can
    easily be chased into a concrete floor (a groove is cut
    with an abrasive saw), and can even be run under a
    concrete


    slab

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (a path cut with high pressure water). Not expensive...
    most LP gas


    companys

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    will do a through the wall installation for free.


    The house is plumbed for natural gas. The central heat
    and water heater are gas. LP gas isn't used here in town.
    The location of the cooking area is not conducive to
    burrowing under the slab because the current stove
    position (with vent hood and counter geometry) is many
    feet inside the perimeter of the slab. I've checked the
    blue prints for the house only quickly so far, but it
    appears the slab has a perimeter footing that goes about
    four or five feet down. (The "black gumbo" soil around
    here heaves like a sumbitch between wet and dry seasons,
    so slabs have to be seriously reinforced. It's like a slow-
    motion earthquake.)

    If you already have a gas line for the heating and water,
    they should be able to put a branch off that. Turn off the
    main, cut into the line going to the furnace, put in a T-
    joint, run a line to where ever you want the gas oven.

    Most the places I did when I did heating had a basement
    with the furnace in one corner. The gas line typically came
    in from the street. The main ran up the street and a shut
    off exists on the front lawn of the house in case the gas
    company wants to shut off your gas during a fire.

    Most people put the furnace in the back of the basement so
    the gas line ran the length of the house. I just needed to
    tap in between the rafters you wanted the gas line to come
    up between, run a line to th e kitchen and drill a hole in
    the floor. A t-joint, a length of pipe, an L-joint and a
    shut off value (sometimes a union joint as well).

    Um, it's pretty obvious that the house has no basement (in
    his 1st sentence the OP says the house is built on a slab,
    and he also originally neglected to indicate about the house
    being plumbed for natural gas), which is why I suggested LP
    gas. And then in his 2nd post he decided to impart that the
    house is indeed plumbed for natural gas, which must mean the
    main enters directly into the dwelling, and therefore should
    be a very simple matter to set in a tee and extend a line
    anywhere in the house. And just because others don't use
    propane is no reason it can't be used for a kitchen stove...
    in spite of the fact that others are willing to help by
    imparting good advice <modem> is just being his usual
    obstinate self.

    ---= BOYCOTT FRENCH--GERMAN (belgium) =--- ---= Move UNITED
    NATIONS To Paris =--- Sheldon ```````````` "Life would be
    devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

  12. modom <[email hidden]> seeing her/his name in stars wrote
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    D and I will close on a new (new to us, anyway) house
    tomorrow morning. It's a beaut. Designed by an architect
    for his family. Ultra-moderne 1952, atomic age design. I
    love it to distraction. It comes with an unattached office
    (the architect's work space) next door and five pecan
    trees in the yard and over twenty fig trees and (ulp) a
    swimming pool. Chez modom is moving up.

    The kitchen has its ups and downs. It's about three times
    as big as our current one, which is basically a hallway
    with a sink, appliances and cabinets. The new one has a
    nifty center island/prep area and plenty of storage in a
    combo walk-in pantry and utility room. But, alas, it comes
    with an aged electric range (tres moderne) which I don't
    like at all. My current gas range is pretty crummy, but
    it's gas, at least. Since the house is built on a slab
    foundation and since it has no attic, plumbing for gas may
    prove problematic, not to mention expensive.

    Guess I'll get used to electric cooking for the
    foreseeable future.

    Installing a larger, deeper sink won't be as much of a
    problem.

    modom

    Sounds like us. Our place was built in 1952 and your
    description fits ours perfectly sans the pool, pecan and fig
    trees. We're blessed with 75ft pin oaks that are slowly
    dying. The kitchen is very workable and in excellent
    condition. The refrigerator is avocado. Works like a charm
    too. We'll do a gut on some parts of it in the next couple
    of years. Ours range is electric also. I don't object much
    to it. Just takes some getting used to.

    Michael
    --
    Deathbed statement...

    "Codeine . . . bourbon." ~~Tallulah Bankhead, actress, d.
    December 12, 1968

  13. On 19 Apr 2004 18:37:55 GMT, [email hidden] (PENMART01) wrote:

    [actually I wrote this stuff]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The house is plumbed for natural gas. The central heat
    and water heater are gas. LP gas isn't used here in
    town. The location of the cooking area is not conducive
    to burrowing under the slab because the current stove
    position (with vent hood and counter geometry) is many
    feet inside the perimeter of the slab. I've checked the
    blue prints for the house only quickly so far, but it
    appears the slab has a perimeter footing that goes about
    four or five feet down. (The "black gumbo" soil around
    here heaves like a sumbitch between wet and dry seasons,
    so slabs have to be seriously reinforced. It's like a
    slow-motion earthquake.)



    [The I got some advice from Darrell]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you already have a gas line for the heating and water,
    they should be able to put a branch off that. Turn off the
    main, cut into the line going to the furnace, put in a T-
    joint, run a line to where ever you want the gas oven.

    Most the places I did when I did heating had a basement
    with the furnace in one corner. The gas line typically
    came in from the street. The main ran up the street and a
    shut off exists on the front lawn of the house in case the
    gas company wants to shut off your gas during a fire.

    Most people put the furnace in the back of the basement so
    the gas line ran the length of the house. I just needed to
    tap in between the rafters you wanted the gas line to come
    up between, run a line to th e kitchen and drill a hole in
    the floor. A t-joint, a length of pipe, an L-joint and a
    shut off value (sometimes a union joint as well).

    Um, it's pretty obvious that the house has no basement (in
    his 1st sentence the OP says the house is built on a slab,
    and he also originally neglected to indicate about the
    house being plumbed for natural gas), which is why I
    suggested LP gas. And then in his 2nd post he decided to
    impart that the house is indeed plumbed for natural gas,
    which must mean the main enters directly into the dwelling,
    and therefore should be a very simple matter to set in a
    tee and extend a line anywhere in the house. And just
    because others don't use propane is no reason it can't be
    used for a kitchen stove... in spite of the fact that
    others are willing to help by imparting good advice <modem>
    is just being his usual obstinate self.


    Gotta chuckle over that bit. Obstinate, eh?

    I'm going to look into laying a line from the water
    heater/boiler to the stove area, but I'm not sanguine that
    it'll be as simple as you suppose because of the style of
    construction we'll have to deal with. Briefly, the geometry
    of the kitchen will necessitate right angle turns in all
    three dimensions of space between the current gas line and
    the stove. There is no attic for the line to run through,
    though there may be some wiggle room between the ceiling and
    the roof. Still the line may have to run through quite a few
    studs and joists, and that may mean peeling back some very
    well finished drywall.

    As I said, I love the house to distraction, and my current
    state of mind will not allow me to have at it with a
    sheetrock tool.

    I'll ask a plumber about getting gas after the budget shock
    of the original purchase fades a bit.

    modom

  14. Mia said:


    "modom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    D and I will close on a new (new to us, anyway) house
    tomorrow morning. It's a beaut. Designed by an architect
    for his family. Ultra-moderne 1952, atomic age design. I
    love it to distraction. It comes with an unattached
    office (the architect's work space) next door and five
    pecan trees in the yard and over twenty fig trees and
    (ulp) a swimming pool. Chez modom is moving up.

    The kitchen has its ups and downs. It's about three times
    as big as our current one, which is basically a hallway
    with a sink, appliances and cabinets. The new one has a
    nifty center island/prep area and plenty of storage in a
    combo walk-in pantry and utility room. But, alas, it
    comes with an aged electric range (tres moderne) which I
    don't like at all. My current gas range is pretty crummy,
    but it's gas, at least. Since the house is built on a
    slab foundation and since it has no attic, plumbing for
    gas may prove problematic, not to mention expensive.

    Guess I'll get used to electric cooking for the
    foreseeable future.

    Installing a larger, deeper sink won't be as much of a
    problem.

    modom

    The house sounds so cool - do you have any photos of it??

    Mia

    I had some, but lost them. I'll shoot some more soon and get
    them up on my Web page.

    The house is cool. I hauled several boxes of cookbooks over
    this afternoon after we closed. Food Shui, you know.

    modom

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (PENMART01) wrote:

    snipsnip

    Quoted message said:

    Over time the price only goes up... do it rightaway or
    you'll forever manufacture excuses why not. If you're a
    bit handy you can do it yourself for under $100 worth of
    materials from Home Depot... forego a couple bottles
    designer label wine. Personally I would never purchase a
    house built on a slab, is like living in a garage. I hope
    you had that c-menta slab tested for radon.


    Most newer home foundations (post WW2) in north and east
    Texas are slabs. The houses I lived in in Dallas were built
    earlier, so they had pier and beam foundations. The biggest
    problem with foundations down there is the clay topsoil
    expands and contracts like an accordion depending on water
    conditions.

    We have no gas line on our street here in Seattle. It'd cost
    at least $10K per family (in our case, our landlord) on our
    dead end street to get a gas line, and everyone would have
    to change over to gas furnace, water heater, and range. The
    students in the ghetto across the street probably don't use
    more than a microwave for cooking. The rest of us muddle
    through and curse our electric burners.

    Cindy

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    C.J. Fuller

    Delete the obvious to email me

  16. "modom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    Guess I'll get used to electric cooking for the
    foreseeable future.

    Installing a larger, deeper sink won't be as much of a
    problem.

    modom

    Good luck and congratulations on the new house.

    Once you live with the kitchen for a while you may get a
    better feel for what you want to change to suit your needs.
    Perhaps the gas can be run outside and brought in the wall
    where the range is? Ed [email hidden]
    pages.cthome.netedhome

  17. Propane is a good substitute for not having natural gas.

    "Cindy Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:cjfullerSPAMORAMA-
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] (PENMART01) wrote:

    snipsnip

    Quoted message said:

    Over time the price only goes up... do it rightaway or
    you'll forever manufacture excuses why not. If you're a
    bit handy you can do it


    yourself

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for under $100 worth of materials from Home Depot...
    forego a couple bottles designer label wine. Personally
    I would never purchase a house built on


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    slab, is like living in a garage. I hope you had that
    c-menta slab


    tested

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for radon.


    Most newer home foundations (post WW2) in north and east
    Texas are slabs. The houses I lived in in Dallas were
    built earlier, so they had pier and beam foundations. The
    biggest problem with foundations down there is the clay
    topsoil expands and contracts like an accordion depending
    on water conditions.

    We have no gas line on our street here in Seattle. It'd
    cost at least $10K per family (in our case, our landlord)
    on our dead end street to get a gas line, and everyone
    would have to change over to gas furnace, water heater,
    and range. The students in the ghetto across the street
    probably don't use more than a microwave for cooking. The
    rest of us muddle through and curse our electric burners.

    Cindy

    --
    C.J. Fuller

    Delete the obvious to email me

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