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  1. here's a sample of the recent threads...

    'i suck',
    'OK I admit I am a wimp',
    'i was really motivated to do .....'
    'Maggie, I thought of you...'
    'gee... what's happening to me ?'
    'where to go ?'
    'i've bonded with my bike. ...'
    'a moral solution ...'
    'i finally understand...'

    so this looks like a therapy session - admittance :-) Ok, rest of us, do
    let it out - no use holding it in ;-)

    let me go next: "i s**k at climbing hills" - regardless i do them at my
    slow pace. can i do intervals on hills ?? or should i build a base
    before i start doing intervals ?? or shd i get smaller gearings and then
    do hill intervals ? currently the smallest i have is 30x25. and i am
    spending about 70% of the climbs on/around this gearing.

    +ravi

  2. "Ravi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1118684415.329615@sj-nntpcache-5...

    Quoted message said:

    here's a sample of the recent threads...

    'i suck',
    'OK I admit I am a wimp',
    'i was really motivated to do .....'
    'Maggie, I thought of you...'
    'gee... what's happening to me ?'
    'where to go ?'
    'i've bonded with my bike. ...'
    'a moral solution ...'
    'i finally understand...'


    All those post would be considered misc.

    Quoted message said:

    so this looks like a therapy session - admittance :-) Ok, rest of us, do
    let it out - no use holding it in ;-)

    let me go next: "i s**k at climbing hills" - regardless i do them at my
    slow pace. can i do intervals on hills ?? or should i build a base before
    i start doing intervals ?? or shd i get smaller gearings and then do hill
    intervals ? currently the smallest i have is 30x25. and i am spending
    about 70% of the climbs on/around this gearing.

    +ravi

  3. Ravi said:

    let me go next: "i s**k at climbing hills" - regardless i do them at my
    slow pace. can i do intervals on hills ?? or should i build a base
    before i start doing intervals ?? or shd i get smaller gearings and then
    do hill intervals ? currently the smallest i have is 30x25. and i am
    spending about 70% of the climbs on/around this gearing.

    I guess my first question would be about what kind of cadence you do on
    a hill. If you're doing ~60RPM in your lowest gear, then you need to
    find a shallower hill or do some other training first (or put easier
    gears on your bike); otherwise you're just begging for knee problems.
    If you're doing over 80RPM, then you're probably OK.

    Assuming you spin at 80RPM+, my first suggestion would be simply to
    ride hills whenever you possibly can and work on your pedaling
    technique. I've noticed that my climbing improves significantly when I
    focus on my form instead of merely slogging up a hill.

    I derive a real sense of accomplishment whenever I climb a difficult
    hill, and the view from the top is often a sweet reward for the effort.
    As you get used to seeking out hills, I think you'll enjoy climbing
    more.

    For a good summary on climbing, check out
    http://www.cptips.com/climb.htm; for pedaling technique, try
    http://www.cptips.com/tech.htm.

    Good luck!

    -JR

  4. SlowRider said:

    I guess my first question would be about what kind of cadence you do on
    a hill. If you're doing ~60RPM in your lowest gear, then you need to
    find a shallower hill or do some other training first (or put easier
    gears on your bike); otherwise you're just begging for knee problems.
    If you're doing over 80RPM, then you're probably OK.

    I'd disagree with your suggested cadence for climbing. While quite a
    slow cadence for riding on the flats, 60 rpm is not a slow cadence for
    serious climbing.

  5. Ravi said:

    let me go next: "i s**k at climbing hills" - regardless i do them at my
    slow pace. can i do intervals on hills ?? or should i build a base
    before i start doing intervals ?? or shd i get smaller gearings and then
    do hill intervals ? currently the smallest i have is 30x25. and i am
    spending about 70% of the climbs on/around this gearing.

    Somebody said "You never get good at hills until you start enjoying
    them", or something like that. Hills are just cardio-vascular stress
    tests. Anything that improves that will improve climbing. You have to
    find your own style and rhythm. Some switch between standing and
    sitting, some never stand, some stand a lot. Some spin, some lug.

    I find it easier to do c-v intervals on hills rather than sprinting on
    the flats. The simple, but effective, approach: find a hill, climb it as
    fast as you can, lather, rinse, repeat.

  6. Claire Petersky said:

    I can climb hills endlessly as long as I'm doing it aerobically. I can
    toodle along, albeit slowly, until I reach the top. The hellaciousness for
    me is an anaerobic climb. These are so unpleasant. And spinning is not an
    option, because there's just no gear low enough. It *has* to be a mash.

    What is obvious to me, though, is that the only way to expand the capacity
    for aerobic climbing is to do anaerobic climbing. When I'm on the tandem
    with my 12 year old, on some hills, anaerobic is the only option. The bike
    is too heavy and the hill is too steep. So, I'm doing more anaerobic riding
    when I'm riding hills with her. We have to stop, sometimes repeatedly, just
    to catch our breath and get the heart rate down to something other than
    maxed out. But then, I find when I'm on the single, on the way to work, say,
    I'll find climbing that much easier than before.

    So, do I simply understand it as, you must go through the hell of anaerobic
    hill climbing to increase your aerobic capacity? And the hell you pay now
    means less hell later on?

    With the my tour in the Canadian Rockies looming up in less than a month,
    these questions are not necessarily academic in nature :-)

    I don't know much about the science of training. But I do know about
    hauling a 12 year old around on a tandem.

    I rode tandem with my daughter from age 3 to about age 17, and
    occasionally thereafter. About the time she was 12, I was in the best
    biking shape of my life. Yes, climbing hills was sometimes agony. But
    rather than kill me, it made me very strong. I think it would do the
    same for you.

    BTW, I clearly recall climging with my heart bursting out of my chest,
    when my daughter would suddenly start singing from the back seat. I
    panted/growled "No singing! Pedal!" Of course, she said "I am
    pedaling!" (Hah!)

    Nowadays, she's a good cyclist, but she's an absolutely awesome singer.

    (And she just got married Saturday!)

    - Frank Krygowski

  7. Ravi <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:1118702620.289089@sj-nntpcache-3:

    Quoted message said:

    how do you all take rest when climbing a long hill ?
    Whenriding on flats, i can coast for a while...

    For me, slow and steady does the trick. I don't worry
    about hitting a particular cadence, I just focus on form
    and smoothness and breathing evenly. All else follows
    from that. Once I know a hill or mountain, I know how
    much extra I have to spend should I so choose and can
    build to a desired target.

    I find that I shift into whatever gear allows a nice
    brisk spin that can be sustained indefinitely. Sometimes
    this isn't possible and it's down to the granny @50 rpm.
    Breathing and heartrate govern this choice for me. This
    way I'm not completely dead and gasping (usually) when I
    reach the top.

    Quoted message said:

    before i start doing intervals ?? or shd i get smaller
    gearings and then do hill intervals ? currently the
    smallest i have is 30x25. and i am spending about 70% of
    the climbs on/around this gearing.

    If 30x25 is making your knees hurt then maybe look at
    throwing a 28T or even a 26T Inner Chainring on your
    triple. If you prepare a gearing chart then you have
    some numbers for comparison.

    Here's the quick and dirty formula for gear inches.

    # of teeth in chainring/ # of teeth in cog x wheel
    diameter= gear inches

    (I generally use 27" for 700C here)

    Here's Sheldon Brown's accurate javascript calculator
    whhich accounts for crankarm length.

    http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/

    Mike (in the Smokies)

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  8. 13 Jun 2005 19:13:11 -0700,
    <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] wrote, of his daughter:

    Quoted message said:

    (And she just got married Saturday!)

    What kinda bike does you new son-in-law ride?
    --
    zk

  9. Quoted message said:


    I don't know much about the science of training. But I do know about
    hauling a 12 year old around on a tandem.

    I rode tandem with my daughter from age 3 to about age 17, and
    occasionally thereafter. About the time she was 12, I was in the best
    biking shape of my life. Yes, climbing hills was sometimes agony. But
    rather than kill me, it made me very strong. I think it would do the
    same for you.

    I did the same thing, but with a trailer-bike, mostly in very steep
    terrain off-road. I think there was a Greek fable about a hero who
    carried a calf around until it grew into an ox...

    Quoted message said:

    BTW, I clearly recall climging with my heart bursting out of my chest,
    when my daughter would suddenly start singing from the back seat. I
    panted/growled "No singing! Pedal!" Of course, she said "I am
    pedaling!" (Hah!)

    Mine was more of a singer than pedaler, too. I used to beg between gasps
    in really steep sections. It didn't help much.

    Quoted message said:

    Nowadays, she's a good cyclist, but she's an absolutely awesome singer.

    Mine seems to love cycling too.

    Quoted message said:

    (And she just got married Saturday!)

    - Frank Krygowski

    Congratulations!

  10. Ravi said:

    here's a sample of the recent threads...

    'i suck',
    'OK I admit I am a wimp',
    'i was really motivated to do .....'
    'Maggie, I thought of you...'
    'gee... what's happening to me ?'
    'where to go ?'
    'i've bonded with my bike. ...'
    'a moral solution ...'
    'i finally understand...'

    so this looks like a therapy session - admittance :-) Ok, rest of us, do
    let it out - no use holding it in ;-)

    LOL......That is what is so grand about MISC darlin' Anything goes.
    If you can't find a place for it, you file it under "misc" And this
    is an office manager talking. PUT IT in the MISC. File. ;-)

    Can you imagine if me, Maggie, posted to Bikes.tech. ;-)

    Maggie Full of Misc.

  11. "Ravi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1118684415.329615@sj-nntpcache-5...
    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    let me go next: "i s**k at climbing hills" - regardless i do them at my
    slow pace. can i do intervals on hills ?? or should i build a base before
    i start doing intervals ?? or shd i get smaller gearings and then do hill
    intervals ? currently the smallest i have is 30x25. and i am spending
    about 70% of the climbs on/around this gearing.

    I'm no hill climber myself. If it's short I stand and take them as fast as
    possible. But I notice I'm getting better. I now can take a decent hill
    without standing on the pedals.

    --
    'Slight not what's near through aiming at what's far.'
    -euripides

    --

  12. [email hidden] wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    BTW, I clearly recall climging with my heart bursting out of my chest,
    when my daughter would suddenly start singing from the back seat. I
    panted/growled "No singing! Pedal!" Of course, she said "I am
    pedaling!" (Hah!)

    Our rule -- you can't sing unless mom can sing. If I'm so out-of-breath I
    can't sing, you'd better be pedalling harder.

    Quoted message said:

    Nowadays, she's a good cyclist, but she's an absolutely awesome singer.

    Rose sings pretty well herself.

    Quoted message said:

    (And she just got married Saturday!)

    Mazel tov!

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
    See the books I've set free at:
    http://bookcrossing.com/referr­al/Cpetersky

  13. Ravi said:

    to maintain 80+ on a hill, i would have to be a very gradual hill or get
    a very small gears. i usually do 60-70 RPM on the smallest gear on the
    hill. When i am tired, i take rest by spinning slowly at <50 RPM. I
    shouldn't do the '<50' part ?? Do you mean that i am resting my muscles,
    but in the process, killing the knees ?? but again stopping isn't an
    option for resting - because starting is a bigger problem...

    Sorry, I should have been clearer. If you're resting your legs, then
    by all means use whatever cadence lets them rest: rest is good! At the
    very start and end of a workout I spin very gently (warm up/recovery),
    and that's usually at about 40-50RPM.

    I was referring to hard efforts at a low cadence: good for building
    strong legs, but potentially hard on the knees. Obviously there's some
    disagreement over what constitutes a "low" cadence on a climb. If
    you're pushing about as hard as you can and you're doing less than
    60RPM, I believe you risk injury, especially if you haven't ridden a
    lot. (If you get a chance, watch a mountain stage in the Tour de
    France and see what kind of cadence those guys use.)

    I once bought a bike from a guy who hadn't been able to ride for ~10
    years due to a knee injury. I think of that whenever I do intervals,
    and I stop if I detect the slightest hint of discomfort in my joints.
    Live to fight another day, and all that.

    You asked whether you should do a "base" period before doing intervals,
    and the standard answer is "yes". It usually means lots of mellow
    miles over the winter. However, I still think you can improve on hills
    without intervals if you (a) do lots of hills and (b) work on your
    form. Neither of those activities adds undue stress to your joints and
    both will make you better on hills.

    -JR

  14. Quoted message said:

    Nowadays, she's a good cyclist, but she's an absolutely awesome singer.

    (And she just got married Saturday!)

    - Frank Krygowski

    Congratulations Father of the Bride. Next year at this time I will be
    Mother of the Bride. I can't wait. I'll be crying through the whole
    thing. My baby girl, married. WOW. Seems, like only yesterday, she
    was playing "duck, duck, goose" at Nursery School. Time goes by so
    fast. I think I will stop now before I get depressed. ;-)

    Maggie.

    Nitty Gritty Dirt Band - Mother of the Bride....

    so dance wth me, mother of the bride and stand strong against me at my
    side Take a look with joy and wonder as our daughter and her man Take
    the floor we really want them to be happy as they can squeeze my hand
    and whisper earnestly that you hope they avoid all the pain that we
    went through i agree that they'll be lucky and it's the truth if he
    loves her half as much as I love you as papa I proudly waltz 'round
    with the bride but one dance with her won't be enough, dear I gave her
    away on the hillside this morning but its not that easy giving her up

  15. Maggie said:
    Ravi said:

    here's a sample of the recent threads...

    'i suck',
    'OK I admit I am a wimp',
    'i was really motivated to do .....'
    'Maggie, I thought of you...'
    'gee... what's happening to me ?'
    'where to go ?'
    'i've bonded with my bike. ...'
    'a moral solution ...'
    'i finally understand...'

    so this looks like a therapy session - admittance :-) Ok, rest of us, do
    let it out - no use holding it in ;-)

    LOL......That is what is so grand about MISC darlin' Anything goes.
    If you can't find a place for it, you file it under "misc" And this
    is an office manager talking. PUT IT in the MISC. File. ;-)

    Can you imagine if me, Maggie, posted to Bikes.tech. ;-)

    Maggie Full of Misc.

    Boss: 'so Mag, where did you put the 'Miscellaneous' folder..?'

    M: <gleefully> 'I filed it under "R", you know RBM.... '

    Boss: 'so have you been out in the sun too long...again?'

    jj

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