New Deer Fence

Andy Crawford said:

A new deer fence is being put in around Crannach Wood to the east of
Achallater Farm with its distant boundary roughly following the line of the
Allt Coire an Lochan. The upper boundary is around the 550m contour with a
stile in place already at the southeast corner at Grid Ref 367455. More are
to be placed to facilitate hillwalker access to and egress from the wood for
Beinn a' Creachain. The sheep and deer have to be excluded to allow the
ancient pines to regenerate naturally.

I descended through the area to be enclosed by the new fence a few weeks
ago and it was not a pleasant experience. Knee high tussocks of grass
made for difficult going. I suspect staying with the Allt Coire an
Lochan until the railway line or even continuing and crossing to the
track on the north side of the Water of Tulla might have been a better
route.

JP

Thanks for the response John. I was there only yesterday (4.9.04) and it was
still not a pleasant experience. The going was extremely difficult ... and
wet underfoot! I think staying with the Allt Coire an Lochan until the
railway line is most definitely the better route.

ADC

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 12:41:33 +0100, John Philip <[email hidden]>
wrote:

| I descended through the area to be enclosed by the new fence a few weeks
| ago and it was not a pleasant experience. Knee high tussocks of grass
| made for difficult going.

What do you want? Metalled paths everywhere?
Give me tussocks anytime.

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Dave F

Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 12:41:33 +0100, John Philip <[email hidden]>
wrote:

| I descended through the area to be enclosed by the new fence a few weeks
| ago and it was not a pleasant experience. Knee high tussocks of grass
| made for difficult going.

What do you want? Metalled paths everywhere?
Give me tussocks anytime.

You can have all the tussocks I've ever stepped over and cursed in my 70
years, and welcome to them.

Why bring metalled paths into the discussion?
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Gordon

Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 12:41:33 +0100, John Philip <[email hidden]>
wrote:

| I descended through the area to be enclosed by the new fence a few weeks
| ago and it was not a pleasant experience. Knee high tussocks of grass
| made for difficult going.

What do you want? Metalled paths everywhere?
Give me tussocks anytime.

You can have all the tussocks I've ever stepped over and cursed in my 70
years, and welcome to them.

Why bring metalled paths into the discussion?
--
Gordon

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:03:26 +0100, Gordon <[email hidden]> wrote:

| Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]> wrote
| >On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 12:41:33 +0100, John Philip <[email hidden]>
| >wrote:
| >
| >
| >| I descended through the area to be enclosed by the new fence a few weeks
| >| ago and it was not a pleasant experience. Knee high tussocks of grass
| >| made for difficult going.
| >
| >What do you want? Metalled paths everywhere?
| >Give me tussocks anytime.

| You can have all the tussocks I've ever stepped over and cursed in my 70
| years, and welcome to them.

You have a couple of years on me there ;-)

| Why bring metalled paths into the discussion?

I was cursing them yesterday. Being hot I did a nice ?gentle? circuit,
Malham, Malham Cove, Malham Tarn, Gordale Scar, Janets Foss, Malham.
Metaled paths almost all the way round. When I first did the area one had
to dance through the streams, or walk over grass, sometimes tussocked. The
only pleasent *walking* was when a slight navigational error, took me off
the damn metalled paths.

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Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

| Why bring metalled paths into the discussion?

I was cursing them yesterday. Being hot I did a nice ?gentle? circuit,
Malham, Malham Cove, Malham Tarn, Gordale Scar, Janets Foss, Malham.
Metaled paths almost all the way round. When I first did the area one had
to dance through the streams, or walk over grass, sometimes tussocked. The
only pleasent *walking* was when a slight navigational error, took me off
the damn metalled paths.

Yes, I suppose the first stages to Janet's Foss are a tarmac or gravel
paths, but surely the rest is mainly rocky or grassy ground?
Apart from the dreaded treacherous steps (in wet weather) down from the
cove, and the rock steps down the Dry Valley, and the bit of road
walking at the end.

I'm beginning to see what you mean......... :-)
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Gordon

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:37:09 +0100, Gordon <[email hidden]> wrote:

| Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]> wrote
| >| Why bring metalled paths into the discussion?
| >
| >I was cursing them yesterday. Being hot I did a nice ?gentle? circuit,
| >Malham, Malham Cove, Malham Tarn, Gordale Scar, Janets Foss, Malham.
| >Metaled paths almost all the way round. When I first did the area one had
| >to dance through the streams, or walk over grass, sometimes tussocked. The
| >only pleasent *walking* was when a slight navigational error, took me off
| >the damn metalled paths.
| >
| Yes, I suppose the first stages to Janet's Foss are a tarmac or gravel
| paths, but surely the rest is mainly rocky or grassy ground?

Not yesterday they have now mettaled it with limestone chippings all the
way down the side of the stream from Janet Foss to Malham, near the car
park :-(((((
Some rather slippy rock path above the Foss.

--
Dave F

'Gordon' and 'Dave Fawthrop' seem to have a thing about metalled paths and a
circuit of Malham, Malham Cove, Malham Tarn, Gordale Scar, Janets Foss,
etc., that seems to have tarmac and gravel paths in abundance!

Excuse me guys ... your walk sounds OK, but are you not getting away from
the gist of my initial post that was just intended to advise walkers about a
new deer fence that's being put in on the side of a Scottish mountain?

Andy Crawford <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

'Gordon' and 'Dave Fawthrop' seem to have a thing about metalled paths and a
circuit of Malham, Malham Cove, Malham Tarn, Gordale Scar, Janets Foss,
etc., that seems to have tarmac and gravel paths in abundance!

Excuse me guys ... your walk sounds OK, but are you not getting away from
the gist of my initial post that was just intended to advise walkers about a
new deer fence that's being put in on the side of a Scottish mountain?

Sorry, but you did complain about tussocks........ :-)
--
Gordon

Andy Crawford <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

'Gordon' and 'Dave Fawthrop' seem to have a thing about metalled paths and a
circuit of Malham, Malham Cove, Malham Tarn, Gordale Scar, Janets Foss,
etc., that seems to have tarmac and gravel paths in abundance!

Excuse me guys ... your walk sounds OK, but are you not getting away from
the gist of my initial post that was just intended to advise walkers about a
new deer fence that's being put in on the side of a Scottish mountain?

Sorry, but you did complain about tussocks........ :-)
--
Gordon

Gordon wrote:
Sorry, but you did complain about tussocks........ :-)

No Gordon ... The second post from John referred to the tussocks and I just
agreed with him. Perhaps if you get up into God's own country away from your
80 metre high Malham Cove to do some real walking over 900 metres, then
you'll get the whole experience!

Oh! And if you do, please make sure you use the stile over the new deer
fence!

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:33:13 +0000 (UTC), "Andy Crawford"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

| 'Gordon' and 'Dave Fawthrop' seem to have a thing about metalled paths and a
| circuit of Malham, Malham Cove, Malham Tarn, Gordale Scar, Janets Foss,
| etc., that seems to have tarmac and gravel paths in abundance!
|
| Excuse me guys ... your walk sounds OK, but are you not getting away from
| the gist of my initial post that was just intended to advise walkers about a
| new deer fence that's being put in on the side of a Scottish mountain?

Thread drift is always with us and IMO is a Good Thing.
Threads do not belong to any person, but to everyone subscribed to that ng.
Some threads end up discussing many disparate subjects and can be hundreds
of posts long.

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Dave F

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:34:14 +0000 (UTC), "Andy Crawford"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

| Gordon wrote:
| Sorry, but you did complain about tussocks........ :-)
|
| No Gordon ... The second post from John referred to the tussocks and I just
| agreed with him. Perhaps if you get up into God's own country away from your
| 80 metre high Malham Cove to do some real walking over 900 metres, then
| you'll get the whole experience!

GOC has masses of tussocks on the Pennine peat moors. In wet weather
surrounded by water deeper than your boots, so choosing and jumping onto
our tussocks requires some care.

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Andy Crawford <[email hidden]> wrote

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Gordon wrote:
Sorry, but you did complain about tussocks........ :-)

No Gordon ... The second post from John referred to the tussocks and I just
agreed with him. Perhaps if you get up into God's own country away from your
80 metre high Malham Cove to do some real walking over 900 metres, then
you'll get the whole experience!

Not much above 900m in GOC I don't think, though if there is I must have
done 'em. Done some of the Lakes 900 circa 30 years ago, now back
to GOC in my senior years...... ;-)

Quoted message said:

Oh! And if you do, please make sure you use the stile over the new deer
fence!

I encountered one somewhere in Derbyshire a while ago, very high ladder
stile, would have given me vertigo to climb it, so I cleared it with one
bound.
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Gordon

"Andy Crawford" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

A new deer fence is being put in around Crannach Wood to the east of
Achallater Farm with its distant boundary roughly following the line of

the

Quoted message said:

Allt Coire an Lochan. The upper boundary is around the 550m contour with a
stile in place already at the southeast corner at Grid Ref 367455. More

are

Quoted message said:

to be placed to facilitate hillwalker access to and egress from the wood

for

Quoted message said:

Beinn a' Creachain. The sheep and deer have to be excluded to allow the
ancient pines to regenerate naturally.

Dunno about you lot but I'm pleased to hear of woodlands being replanted so
we can walk through them. Adds a bit more colour to the landscape and
repairs some of the damage man has done over the centuries, plus giving
somewhere shady to rest if needed.

Nick

"Dave Fawthrop" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Some threads end up discussing many disparate subjects

Yes, landscape photography, wedding photography, copyright in photography...

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:05:53 +0100, "AndyP"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

| "Dave Fawthrop" <[email hidden]> wrote
|
| > Some threads end up discussing many disparate subjects
|
| Yes, landscape photography, wedding photography, copyright in photography...

Petard springs to mind ;-)

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"Dave Fawthrop" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

| > Some threads end up discussing many disparate subjects

Quoted message said:

| Yes, landscape photography, wedding photography, copyright in

photography...

Quoted message said:

Petard springs to mind ;-)

Not a word that's ever sprung to my uneducated mind before now. But back to
the deer fence... must have been an interesting subject for a few photos
surely?