new cycling technology

G.fried wrote on 19/12/2006 22:18 +0100:

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Hello,

we are investigating a new type of bicycle technology and are currently
collecting the requirements. The project hyperbike is a feasibility
study contracted by the Austrian ministry for transport, technology and
innovation. We invite you to help us to help you.
We would appreciate very much if you could fill in our on-line
questionnaire at
http://www.hyperbike.cc/Vorlage.phtml?id=716&sprache=en
After answering tips about cycling are displayed.

Doesn't seem to ask any questions relevant to my cycling

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Tony

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G.fried said:

Hello,

we are investigating a new type of bicycle technology and are currently
collecting the requirements. The project hyperbike is a feasibility
study contracted by the Austrian ministry for transport, technology and
innovation. We invite you to help us to help you.
We would appreciate very much if you could fill in our on-line
questionnaire at
http://www.hyperbike.cc/Vorlage.phtml?id=716&sprache=en
After answering tips about cycling are displayed.

Sorry mate, it doesn't ask all the right questions, has incomplete
answer options and has inaccurate legal content.

Oh and BTW electric assist is hardly a new technology.

--
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

After things go from bad to worse, the cycle will repeat itself.

Don Whybrow schrieb:

Quoted message said:

G.fried said:

Hello,

we are investigating a new type of bicycle technology and are
currently collecting the requirements. The project hyperbike is a
feasibility study contracted by the Austrian ministry for transport,
technology and innovation. We invite you to help us to help you.
We would appreciate very much if you could fill in our on-line
questionnaire at
http://www.hyperbike.cc/Vorlage.phtml?id=716&sprache=en
After answering tips about cycling are displayed.

Sorry mate, it doesn't ask all the right questions, has incomplete
answer options and has inaccurate legal content.

could you please give some hints?

Quoted message said:

Oh and BTW electric assist is hardly a new technology.

ok, we know ;-)

many thanks

Gerfried

G.fried wrote on 20/12/2006 07:29 +0100:

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Don Whybrow schrieb:

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Sorry mate, it doesn't ask all the right questions, has incomplete
answer options and has inaccurate legal content.

could you please give some hints?

What is the most embarrassing fact for you when riding a bicycle?
Contamination of cloths (chain grease, rain & dirt)
Difficulties to change gears
Failing electric lights (on cable or batteries)
Restricted luggage capacity / ability to transport children
Uncomfortable seat / saddle dents
Risk of sweating
Uncomfortable riding / shock and vibrations
Instability / risk of falling
Other

You forgot the "none of the above" option. I do not find riding a
bicycle embarrassing at all, let alone finding a most _and_ second most
embarrassing aspect.

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Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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Tony Raven said:

G.fried wrote on 20/12/2006 07:29 +0100:

Quoted message said:

could you please give some hints?

Quoted message said:

You forgot the "none of the above" option. I do not find riding a
bicycle embarrassing at all, let alone finding a most _and_ second most
embarrassing aspect.

I found the questionnaire impossible to answer too. I suspect it's
because English is not the first language of its author.

--
Dave...

Quoted message said:

We would appreciate very much if you could fill in our on-line
questionnaire at
http://www.hyperbike.cc/Vorlage.phtml?id=716&sprache=en

"What do you see as the biggest advantage of electric propulsion?
-Emission free
-Silent
-Inexpensive energy
-Good driveability
-Other

Hmm, if I'm comparing it to pedal cycling, guess I'd best go with
'Other' 😉

However, much of the questionnaire assumed that I either rode an electric
bike, or wanted to ride one, so I'm not sure that the answers you get will
be helpful.

Hi,

G.fried said:

could you please give some hints?

I can't answer most of the questions, either. The premis seems to be
that unassisted cycling is a bad thing and that electric assistance is
the answer. I would expect that many contributors to this group would
feel, like me, that it's the question that needs to be identified, not
the answer...

If you can come up with some way of adding electric assistance to a
bicycle without increasing overall weight, then it seems likely you
could remove it and end up with a lighter bicycle... there's a market
for those... Otherwise, you will have a heavier machine with extra
power... ie a moped, and if what you are building is a motorcycle or
moped with an electric motor, not a bicycle with "assistance", then
maybe it would help to formulate the questions from that standpoint.
Personally, I think it's more likely that a good electric
moped/motorcycle would succeed than an "electric bicycle"... though
IMHO the technology still isn't quite up to the job- I'd like to be
proven wrong, though.

Cheers,
W.

[email hidden] wrote on 20/12/2006 10:46 +0100:

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IMHO the technology still isn't quite up to the job- I'd like to be
proven wrong, though.

Although it would be interesting to find out what Tesla technology could
do for a bicycle:
http://www.teslamotors.com

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Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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On 20 Dec 2006 09:57:44 GMT
Mark Thompson

pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com said:

"What do you see as the biggest advantage of electric propulsion?
-Emission free
-Silent
-Inexpensive energy
-Good driveability
-Other

Hmm, if I'm comparing it to pedal cycling, guess I'd best go with
'Other' 😉

You misspelt "None".

Quoted message said:

However, much of the questionnaire assumed that I either rode an
electric bike, or wanted to ride one, so I'm not sure that the
answers you get will be helpful.

Gewiss.

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not me guv

In article said:

http://www.hyperbike.cc/Vorlage.phtml?id=716&sprache=en
After answering tips about cycling are displayed.

You mean "every time you click an answer, an annoying popup appears".
Forget it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hmm, if I'm comparing it to pedal cycling, guess I'd best go with
'Other' 😉

You misspelt "None".

Noooo, electric assist is perfect for those too proud to get off and walk😉

in message <[email hidden]>,

G.fried (') said:

Don Whybrow schrieb:

Quoted message said:

G.fried said:

Hello,

we are investigating a new type of bicycle technology and are
currently collecting the requirements. The project hyperbike is a
feasibility study contracted by the Austrian ministry for transport,
technology and innovation. We invite you to help us to help you.
We would appreciate very much if you could fill in our on-line
questionnaire at
http://www.hyperbike.cc/Vorlage.phtml?id=716&sprache=en
After answering tips about cycling are displayed.

Sorry mate, it doesn't ask all the right questions, has incomplete
answer options and has inaccurate legal content.

could you please give some hints?

Well the first hint is get rid of the bloody hints! I answered three
questions and after that I was so fed up with closing pop-up windows that
I didn't answer any more.

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;; single speed mountain bikes: for people who cycle on flat mountains.

dkahn400 schrieb:

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Tony Raven said:

G.fried wrote on 20/12/2006 07:29 +0100:

Quoted message said:

could you please give some hints?

Quoted message said:

You forgot the "none of the above" option. I do not find riding a
bicycle embarrassing at all, let alone finding a most _and_ second most
embarrassing aspect.

I found the questionnaire impossible to answer too. I suspect it's
because English is not the first language of its author.

many thanks

I added options and we will have a native working on that...

Gfried

www.hyperbike.cc

Tony Raven schrieb:

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[email hidden] wrote on 20/12/2006 10:46 +0100:

Quoted message said:

IMHO the technology still isn't quite up to the job- I'd like to be
proven wrong, though.

Although it would be interesting to find out what Tesla technology could
do for a bicycle:
http://www.teslamotors.com

Folks we will profit from all this technology (if it gets cheaper) but
their website is rather vague:

"Motor 3-phase, 4-pole electric motor, 248hp peak (185kW), redline
13,500 rpm, regenerative "engine braking""

Is this referring to ASM or SRM ( rather not PMSM becaus of 3phase)

Gfried

Mark Thompson pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com said:

Quoted message said:

We would appreciate very much if you could fill in our on-line
questionnaire at
http://www.hyperbike.cc/Vorlage.phtml?id=716&sprache=en

"What do you see as the biggest advantage of electric propulsion?
-Emission free

Wrong.

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-Silent

That's a good thing?

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-Inexpensive energy

Cheaper than food?

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-Good driveability

Yeah? Really?

Chris
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Chris Eilbeck

Chris Eilbeck said:

Mark Thompson pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com said:

Quoted message said:

We would appreciate very much if you could fill in our on-line
questionnaire at
http://www.hyperbike.cc/Vorlage.phtml?id=716&sprache=en

"What do you see as the biggest advantage of electric propulsion?
-Emission free

Wrong.

Quoted message said:

-Silent

That's a good thing?

Quoted message said:

-Inexpensive energy

Cheaper than food?

I don't know what you eat, but at around 15 pence for 860 Calories it is
much cheaper than most food.

Tony Raven said:

Doesn't seem to ask any questions relevant to my cycling

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Tony

It looks more like spam dressed up as a survey to me.

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:17:30 -0600

Ben C said:

I don't know what you eat, but at around 15 pence for 860 Calories it
is much cheaper than most food.

Thus speaks someone who's never been below the breadline.

You can eat quite well at around that price, with a bulk
of very cheap foods (eg economy pasta at about 15p/pack,
pulses at 80p for a weeks worth of protein), together
with small amounts of tastier trimmings (like onions,
mushrooms), and traces of herbs and spice to add real
flavour (gather wild where possible).

Not so very long ago, I struggled to afford even that.
Nowadays I'll still eat it sometimes (hey, it's tasty),
though generally with the extra luxury of a glass of
fresh orange juice or wine.

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not me guv

Nick Kew said:

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:17:30 -0600

Ben C said:

I don't know what you eat, but at around 15 pence for 860 Calories it
is much cheaper than most food.

Thus speaks someone who's never been below the breadline.

You can eat quite well at around that price, with a bulk
of very cheap foods (eg economy pasta at about 15p/pack,
pulses at 80p for a weeks worth of protein), together
with small amounts of tastier trimmings (like onions,
mushrooms), and traces of herbs and spice to add real
flavour (gather wild where possible).

You're right. Sainsburys will sell you 500g of Mini Pasta Shapes for
19p, providing a total of 1753 Calories. That's about 7p for a kWH,
cheaper than mains electricity.