New Cycling Organization

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New Athletic Organization Promotes Organic, Plant-based Nutrition, Healthy Living, and Ecological
Awareness.

August 19, 2003, Santa Rosa, CA - A new nonprofit organization, OrganicAthlete, calls on athletes
to promote optimal health and ecological values. Just as organic farmers carefully monitor what
goes into their crops, organic athletes should similarly adapt their nutrition and lifestyle to
minimize harm and maximize regeneration and health.

Elite athletes often serve as role models of vegetarian health, and in 2004 the board plans to
launch a "produce power" campaign that will publicize the health and ecological benefits of a
fruit and vegetable based diet.

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Dumbass -

In European stage races, one of the preferred recovery meals is steak and rice.

Additionally, the greatest athlete in our sport, Eddy Merckx, is nicknamed "The Cannibal" because of
the fellow competitors he would have for lunch.

yum yum.

Perhaps you should try the badminton newsgroup. We cyclists are not touchy-feely sensitive types. We
enjoy seeing the look of suffering on our fellow competitors' faces.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

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the board plans to launch a "produce power" campaign that will publicize the health and
ecological benefits of a fruit and vegetable based diet.

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In European stage races, one of the preferred recovery meals is steak and rice.

Additionally, the greatest athlete in our sport, Eddy Merckx, is nicknamed "The Cannibal" because
of the fellow competitors he would have for lunch.

yum yum.

Perhaps you should try the badminton newsgroup. We cyclists are not touchy-feely sensitive types.
We enjoy seeing the look of suffering on our fellow competitors' faces.

i can't believe you're arguing with someone advocating a fruit and vegetable based diet. if everyone
ate like that, fatties would be no more. oh, wait..nevermind..

heather

h squared said:

i can't believe you're arguing with someone advocating a fruit and vegetable based diet. if
everyone ate like that, fatties would be no more. oh, wait..nevermind..

If everyone ate like that, there'd be plenty of veal and foie gras for me.
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You know, the French seem to hold the black-footed chickens of Bresse in especially high regard, in
part, because these poultry are raised not in factories but in the open ("en plein air"😉. The idea
is that happy chickens make for better-tasting chickens. I confess that this thought has been
occupying me lately: is it better to end the happy life of a fulfilled chicken, or to eat a
factory-raised chicken for whom death is a release from living hell?

h squared said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

"Bradley Saul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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the board plans to launch a "produce power" campaign that will publicize the health and
ecological benefits of a fruit and vegetable based diet.

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In European stage races, one of the preferred recovery meals is steak and rice.

Additionally, the greatest athlete in our sport, Eddy Merckx, is nicknamed "The Cannibal"
because of the fellow competitors he would have for lunch.

yum yum.

Perhaps you should try the badminton newsgroup. We cyclists are not touchy-feely sensitive
types. We enjoy seeing the look of suffering on our fellow competitors' faces.

i can't believe you're arguing with someone advocating a fruit and vegetable based diet. if
everyone ate like that, fatties would be no more. oh, wait..nevermind..

heather

Maybe not so fat, but more gas...

Steve

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Meyerson's vegan turf seems to be getting stomped on...

Saul was a good U-23 racing for Nashville based VeloClips last year, wondered what happened to him.

I'm betting he will make a splash in California, vegan or not. Greg Miller

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From: [email hidden] (Bikerecker)

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Meyerson's vegan turf seems to be getting stomped on...

Saul was a good U-23 racing for Nashville based VeloClips last year, wondered what happened to him.

I'm betting he will make a splash in California, vegan or not. Greg Miller

Greg I'm betting on Adam to be top 10 nationally in 'cross this year. He's incredibly fit and
motivated for this season. It's gonna be a lot of fun around here this fall. Bill C

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If everyone ate like that, there'd be plenty of veal and foie gras for me.

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It's all about the terrorism now:

"Sonoma Police Chief John Gurney said his department is coordinating with other local police
departments and the FBI. He calls the case "domestic terrorism." "

Here in America, there would be plenty of veal for you, as we only manage to consume about one
pound per capita a year (as opposed to the Italian's 15). Kind of perplexing, considering that
veal is one of the leanest meats you can buy. One thing I was curious about: is the veal
available in France mostly stall-raised, formula-fed or is it grass-fed ("free-range"😉. I think
the grass-fed tastes much better.

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You know, the French seem to hold the black-footed chickens of Bresse in especially high regard,
in part, because these poultry are raised not in factories but in the open ("en plein air"😉. The
idea is that happy chickens make for better-tasting chickens. I confess that this thought has been
occupying me lately: is it better to end the happy life of a fulfilled chicken, or to eat a
factory-raised chicken for whom death is a release from living hell?

Take the happy one.

--
tanx, Howard

"Better a lapdog for a slip of a girl than a ... git." Blackadder

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

h squared said:

i can't believe you're arguing with someone advocating a fruit and vegetable based diet. if
everyone ate like that, fatties would be no more. oh, wait..nevermind..

There'd just be a whole lot fewer people altogether considering the difficulties strict vegetarian
women often have getting pregnant.

Scott Johnson "There is nothing, I think, more unfortunate than to have soft, chubby, fat-looking
children who go to watch their school play basketball every Saturday and regard that as their
week's exercise."
- John F. Kennedy, 1962

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Kurgan Gringioni said:

"Bradley Saul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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the board plans to launch a "produce power" campaign that will publicize the health and
ecological benefits of a fruit and vegetable based diet.

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In European stage races, one of the preferred recovery meals is steak

and

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rice.

Additionally, the greatest athlete in our sport, Eddy Merckx, is

nicknamed

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"The Cannibal" because of the fellow competitors he would have for

lunch.

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yum yum.

Perhaps you should try the badminton newsgroup. We cyclists are not touchy-feely sensitive
types. We enjoy seeing the look of suffering on

our

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fellow competitors' faces.

i can't believe you're arguing with someone advocating a fruit and vegetable based diet. if
everyone ate like that, fatties would be no more. oh, wait..nevermind..

There is no shortage of Vegetarian Fatties. I know a few myself.

They can eat cheese, avocado, drink lots of juice, beer, eat lots of candy, buttered popcorn and
icees at the movies, soda, fettucine alfredo, etc. etc.

If you consume more than you burn, the fat is going to come no matter what form the calories are in.

K. Gringioni rbr nutritionist

Top Sirloin said:

h squared said:

i can't believe you're arguing with someone advocating a fruit and vegetable based diet. if
everyone ate like that, fatties would be no more. oh, wait..nevermind..

There'd just be a whole lot fewer people altogether considering the difficulties strict vegetarian
women often have getting pregnant.

As long as minimum standards for calories, proteins, and fats are satisfied, I'm not sure what
you're saying is true.

Howard Kveck said:

Here in America, there would be plenty of veal for you, as we only manage to consume about one
pound per capita a year (as opposed to the Italian's 15). Kind of perplexing, considering that
veal is one of the leanest meats you can buy. One thing I was curious about: is the veal
available in France mostly stall-raised, formula-fed or is it grass-fed ("free-range"😉. I think
the grass-fed tastes much better.

The reason why there is so little veal in the US is related to the reason why most of the beef here
is so bad, and has deep implications for the style of classical French cooking. In a nutshell, most
of the cattle in the US is raised for its flesh, while here dairy cows are far more important. This
is why there are 400 different kinds of cheese here but tossing a steak on the grill never developed
as the central concept of French cooking: breeds of cattle selected for their milk production aren't
well-suited to that. Rather, beef from dairy breeds needs slow cooking, usually in the presence of
aromatics (like onions and carrots and herbs), after which the pan is de-glazed, the juices reduced,
and a sauce is built up to conserve and concentrate what few flavors the beef started out with.
Basically, there's a trade-off between eating tasty beef or eating tasty cheese (or eating non-tasty
cheese, depending on your view on glandular secretions that have been allowed to clot, dosed with
bacteria, and then allowed to sit until acquiring the smell of dirty feet. And that's if it's
successful). Veal is a side-effect of the societal preference for cheese,

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You know, the French seem to hold the black-footed chickens of Bresse in especially high regard,
in part, because these poultry are raised not in factories but in the open ("en plein air"😉. The
idea is that happy chickens make for better-tasting chickens. I confess that this thought has
been occupying me lately: is it better to end the happy life of a fulfilled chicken, or to eat a
factory-raised chicken for whom death is a release from living hell?

Take the happy one.

I tend to opt for the tasty ones. I try not to anthropomorphize the things I eat.

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The reason why there is so little veal in the US is related to the reason why most of the beef
here is so bad, and has deep implications for the style of classical French cooking. In a
nutshell, most of the cattle in the US is raised for its flesh, while here dairy cows are far more
important. This is why there are 400 different kinds of cheese here but tossing a steak on the
grill never developed as the central concept of French cooking: breeds of cattle selected for
their milk production aren't well-suited to that. Rather, beef from dairy breeds needs slow
cooking, usually in the presence of aromatics (like onions and carrots and herbs), after which the
pan is de-glazed, the juices reduced, and a sauce is built up to conserve and concentrate what few
flavors the beef started out with.

That last does jibe with what Waverly Root wrote in "The Food of Italy": "In France, a sauce is
an adornment, even a disguise..." The high collagen content of veal (especially in cuts like
shoulder and breast) is one of the reasons it makes such good sauces.

I imagine the cows are slaughtered older in France than in America, which would also tend to lead to
a somewhat tougher piece of meat. Here, they've cut the age cows make "slaughter weight" from 18-19
months down to 14.

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Basically, there's a trade-off between eating tasty beef or eating tasty cheese (or eating
non-tasty cheese, depending on your view on glandular secretions that have been allowed to clot,
dosed with bacteria, and then allowed to sit until acquiring the smell of dirty feet. And that's
if it's successful).

I like that description.

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Veal is a side-effect of the societal preference for cheese,

I would imagine that veal's popularity in Italy is a societal preference for hearty sauces: it's
mild, delicate flavor works well with those sauces.

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You know, the French seem to hold the black-footed chickens of Bresse in especially high
regard, in part, because these poultry are raised not in factories but in the open ("en plein
air"😉. The idea is that happy chickens make for better-tasting chickens. I confess that this
thought has been occupying me lately: is it better to end the happy life of a fulfilled
chicken, or to eat a factory-raised chicken for whom death is a release from living hell?

Take the happy one.

I tend to opt for the tasty ones. I try not to anthropomorphize the things I eat.

Exactly. It either tastes good, or it doesn't.

Eat steak, eat steak, it's good for you, Eat a cow, eat a cow, it's a thing that goes "mooo".
"Eat Steak", Reverend Horton Heat

--
tanx, Howard

"Better a lapdog for a slip of a girl than a ... git." Blackadder

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

"Howard Kveck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message Kind

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of perplexing, considering that veal is one of the leanest meats you can

buy.

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One thing I was curious about: is the veal available in France mostly stall-raised, formula-fed or
is it grass-fed ("free-range"😉. I think the grass-fed tastes much better.

If it's fed on anything other than milk it's not veal... Bon appétit Dan Gregory

Robert Chung said:

I tend to opt for the tasty ones. I try not to anthropomorphize the things I eat.

you don't think that chickens (or other animals) have the ability to suffer?

h

Kurgan Gringioni said:

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There is no shortage of Vegetarian Fatties. I know a few myself.

They can eat cheese, avocado, drink lots of juice, beer, eat lots of candy, buttered popcorn and
icees at the movies, soda, fettucine alfredo, etc. etc.

If you consume more than you burn, the fat is going to come no matter what form the
calories are in.

K. Gringioni rbr nutritionist

what you wrote is true, but i don't think the op had the henry chang cheese and beer and soda diet
in mind when he posted- "A new nonprofit organization, OrganicAthlete, calls on athletes to promote
optimal health and ecological values. Just as organic farmers carefully monitor what goes into their
crops, organic athletes should similarly adapt their nutrition and lifestyle to minimize harm and
maximize regeneration and health."

although i'm not, er, entirely clear on what he did have in mind, i got the sense that he was
thinking something else. (and remind me not to eat at henry's house).

heather

Dan Gregory said:

If it's fed on anything other than milk it's not veal... Bon appétit Dan Gregory

Real RoadMen eat Cheval of course, Dan. Much more protein.

But is it fresh, waiter?

Of Course, sir, if you look closely you'll see the marks where the jockey was whipping it in the
3:30 this afternoon at Doncaster.

--
le vent a Dos

Davey Crockett

Robert Chung said:

Top Sirloin said:

h squared said:

i can't believe you're arguing with someone advocating a fruit and vegetable based diet. if
everyone ate like that, fatties would be no more. oh, wait..nevermind..

There'd just be a whole lot fewer people altogether considering the difficulties strict
vegetarian women often have getting pregnant.

As long as minimum standards for calories, proteins, and fats are satisfied, I'm not sure what
you're saying is true.

It's a matter of vitamin (especially B12) and mineral deficiencies, not macronutrient composition.

Not exactly about _getting_ pregnant, but:

Persistence of neurological damage induced by dietary vitamin B-12 deficiency in infancy Arch Dis
Child 1997 Aug;77(2):137-9.

"A case is reported of a 14 month old boy with severe dietary vitamin B-12 deficiency caused by his
mother's vegan diet. Clinical, electroencephalography (EEG), and haematological findings are
described. Cranial magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) showed severe frontal and frontoparietal cranial
atrophy. Vitamin B-12 supplements led to a rapid improvement of haematological and neurological
symptoms. Serum vitamin B-12 and urinary methylmalonate excretion were normal 10 days after
treatment began. After six weeks, EEG was normal and cranial MRI after 10 weeks showed complete
disappearance of all structural abnormalities. Cognitive and language development, however, remained
seriously retarded at the age of 2 years. It is concluded that infantile vitamin B-12 deficiency
induced by maternal vegan diets may cause lasting neurodisability even though vitamin B-12
supplementation leads to rapid resolution of cerebral atrophy and electroencephalographic
abnormality."

--
Scott Johnson "When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the
good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy
them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)

h squared said:

"A new nonprofit organization, OrganicAthlete, calls on athletes to promote optimal health and
ecological values. Just as organic farmers carefully monitor what goes into their crops, organic
athletes should similarly adapt their nutrition and lifestyle to minimize harm and maximize
regeneration and health."

I think grass fed beef is super tasty.

Does this mean I can be an "organic athlete"?

--
Scott Johnson "Always with the excuses for small legs. People like you are why they only open the
top half of caskets." -Tommy Bowen

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New Athletic Organization Promotes Organic, Plant-based Nutrition, Healthy Living, and Ecological
Awareness.

August 19, 2003, Santa Rosa, CA – A new nonprofit organization, OrganicAthlete, calls on athletes
to promote optimal health and ecological values. Just as organic farmers carefully monitor what
goes into their crops, organic athletes should similarly adapt their nutrition and lifestyle to
minimize harm and maximize regeneration and health.

OOPS! Not so new -- The Linda McCartney Cycling Team beat you to it. And they established a
reputation as a bunch of flakey touchy-feely types that couldn't make payroll at the end.

Not that I expect the OP is actually reading any of this thread -- he's just spamming NGs with this
stuff, then patting himself on the back as he sits down to eat a tofu burger.

NS