New bus lane threat

Tony W said:

We are, apparently, going to get fancy new bus lanes with traffic lights that know when a bus or a
taxi with the right bit of electronics is approaching.

When asked 'what about cyclists' there were a few shrugs, some scratching of bollox and an 'oh,
we're studying that' (i.e. oh [censored], forgot about them).

Are there suitable solutions in other parts of the world/country?

There are a couple of these in Oxford on Botley Road. At the junction near Seacourt Towers the
cyclist (in the bus/cycle lane) pushes a button which tells the lights of the cyclists existence.

The one further towards town didn't have a button as at that point cyclists are assumed to be on the
shared pavement which goes around the light and drops onto an onroad cycle lane (the bus lane
disappears at the lights.) When I used to use these lights (from the bus lane) I would either join
the normal lane if possible and go through with the cars or I'd run up onto the pavement (plenty of
lowered kerbs) and then drop back into the cycle lane after the lights. Of course I occasionally
went straight through with a bus, if lucky.

Colin

"Tony W" <[email hidden]> wrote: ( We are, apparently, going to get fancy new bus lanes
with traffic lights ) that know when a bus or a taxi with the right bit of electronics is (
approaching. ) ( When asked 'what about cyclists' there were a few shrugs, some scratching of )
bollox and an 'oh, we're studying that' (i.e. oh [censored], forgot about them). ( ) Are there suitable
solutions in other parts of the world/country?

A common solution is a push-button unit, like the pedestrians' push-button at a pelican, but mounted
on a lower post and facing into the bus-and-cycle lane.

We have them in Oxford and they are tolerable.

People out there who come to the CTC York Rally might be familiar with one of York's Bus Priority
schemes on The Mount just before the junction with Holgate Road, city-bound. The cycle lane to the
left of the bus lane simply doesn't have a stop line where the bus priority lights are. So cyclists
can proceed in the cycle lane whether the lights are green for the bus/taxi priority lane or green
for the general traffic lane.

You can get hostility on occasion as it looks like you're simply sailing through a red light -
cyclists who haven't seen this set up will often stop at the lights too. Generally works very well
in practice, with the usual provisos about the dangers of passing large vehicles, such as buses,
on the left.

I think this is preferable to a cycle sensitive switching system because it avoids
unnecessary stops.
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Paul

On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 05:21:25 -0000 someone who may be "Tony W" <[email hidden]>
wrote this:-

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Are there suitable solutions in other parts of the world/country?

Traffic lights with four bulb units. When the main green signal is not lit the green cycle
unit is lit.

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Tony W said:

We are, apparently, going to get fancy new bus lanes with traffic lights that know when a bus or a
taxi with the right bit of electronics is approaching.

When asked 'what about cyclists' there were a few shrugs, some scratching of bollox and an 'oh,
we're studying that' (i.e. oh [censored], forgot about them).

Are there suitable solutions in other parts of the world/country?

Ipswich has some lanes like that... there is a seperate detector for cycles but it's close to the
stop line so you invariably have to stop and wait[1]. Oddly, when I was riding a Kirk, it would
never trigger the lights in Ipswich's bus lanes but my current steel-framed commuting bike works
them OK. The Kirk worked normal lights so I can only assume that these cycle detectors are tuned in
some way to only respond to a "typical" bicycle - thus preventing a car in the bus lane from
chcnaging the lights.

Where the lights only control the merging of the bus lane and the other line, with no other
conflicting movements, I think a better solution is to have a cycle filter light on the bus lane.
Ipswich hasn't done this but I've seen it done in Cambridge.

[1] well, unless you can find a handy bus to follow.

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"Tony W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

We are, apparently, going to get fancy new bus lanes with traffic lights that know when a bus or a
taxi with the right bit of electronics is approaching.

When asked 'what about cyclists' there were a few shrugs, some scratching

of

Quoted message said:

bollox and an 'oh, we're studying that' (i.e. oh [censored], forgot about them).

Are there suitable solutions in other parts of the world/country?

Yes, very much yes. Here in Cambridge we have six locations with traffic signals at the end of bus
lanes, triggered by transponder devices carried by buses. In four of these locations there isn't a
junction - the lights are purely to stop the cars and let the buses jump the queue.

At five of these locations a green cycle filter light, which is *permanently on* exempts cyclists
from having to stop.

camcycle.org.ukarticle17.htmlOpen ↗ describes a location where bus signals were
installed at the end of a bus lane, and Cambridge Cycling Campaign were lobbying to get a cycle
filter installed.

camcycle.org.ukarticle19.htmlOpen ↗ was written a few months later, and shows
that this campaign was successful. It also shows a photo of what a cycle filter looks like.

camcycle.org.ukarticle20.htmlOpen ↗ (scroll down to the bottom) describes a
different location (further along the same road) where a permanent cycle filter was installed to
exempt cyclists from signals at the end of a bus lane - even when traffic is emerging from a side
road on the right.

PaulO

"Paul Oter" <[email hidden]> wrote: (
camcycle.org.ukarticle20.htmlOpen ↗ (scroll down to ) the bottom) describes a
different location (further along the same road) ( where a permanent cycle filter was installed to
exempt cyclists from signals ) at the end of a bus lane - even when traffic is emerging from a side
road on ( the right.

I presume that the bit that says

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The idea is that cyclists using the junction are protected from turning traffic by the cycle lane
that runs through the junction.

assumes that there are no cycles in the turning traffic.

The place I most frequently come into conflict with other cyclists when those cyclists have
(illegally) run a red light is when I am turning right with motor traffic at a particular such
junction (with no filter) and the greenhouse behind me forces me into the mandatory cycle lane that
they are already occupying.

"Paul Oter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yes, very much yes. Here in Cambridge we have six locations with traffic signals at the end of bus
lanes, triggered by transponder devices carried

by

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buses. In four of these locations there isn't a junction - the lights are purely to stop the cars
and let the buses jump the queue.

At five of these locations a green cycle filter light, which is

*permanently

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on* exempts cyclists from having to stop.

Thanks -- not sure that would work at a cross roads but, as we all know, traffic lights don't apply
to cyclists anyway :o

T

Paul Oter said:

"Tony W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

We are, apparently, going to get fancy new bus lanes with traffic lights that know when a bus or
a taxi with the right bit of electronics is approaching.

When asked 'what about cyclists' there were a few shrugs, some scratching

of

Quoted message said:

bollox and an 'oh, we're studying that' (i.e. oh [censored], forgot about them).

Are there suitable solutions in other parts of the world/country?

Yes, very much yes. Here in Cambridge we have six locations with traffic signals at the end of bus
lanes, triggered by transponder devices carried by buses. In four of these locations there isn't a
junction - the lights are purely to stop the cars and let the buses jump the queue.

At five of these locations a green cycle filter light, which is *permanently on* exempts cyclists
from having to stop.

camcycle.org.ukarticle17.htmlOpen ↗ describes a location where bus signals
were installed at the end of a bus lane, and Cambridge Cycling Campaign were lobbying to get a
cycle filter installed.

camcycle.org.ukarticle19.htmlOpen ↗ was written a few months later, and shows
that this campaign was successful.

Apart from "But not all such good news: still the lights at Ditton Lane don't detect bikes", which
is still true over four years later, so cyclists have the choices of swing back out of the bus/cycle
lane, detour up onto the (shared use, so legal) pavement, or just go straight through the red light.

Are there any plans to _ever_ fix it? (Personally I think a permanent filter that allowed bikes
through in the left lane even when the right lane was stopped to allow traffic to turn right from
Ditton Lane would be safe.)

Alan Braggins said:

Apart from "But not all such good news: still the lights at Ditton Lane don't detect bikes", which
is still true over four years later, so cyclists have the choices of swing back out of the
bus/cycle lane, detour up onto the (shared use, so legal) pavement, or just go straight through the
red light.

Have you tried emailing [email hidden] or [email hidden]
? It worked for me last time I had such a complaint.

Tony.
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Tony Finch said:

Alan Braggins said:

Apart from "But not all such good news: still the lights at Ditton Lane don't detect bikes",
which is still true over four years later,

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Have you tried emailing [email hidden] or
[email hidden] ?

No, but I have now.

Alan Braggins <[email hidden]> enlightened us with: [traffic lights at Newmarket
Road/Ditton Lane detecting cyclists]

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Are there any plans to _ever_ fix it? (Personally I think a permanent filter that allowed bikes
through in the left lane even when the right lane was stopped to allow traffic to turn right from
Ditton Lane would be safe.)

Safe-ish. That junction is quite a black spot, from the frequent appearance of broken glass. Drivers
don't pay much attention to their road positioning unfortunately, and many try to race against the
person on the other lane to reach the left hand lane of Barnwell Road roundabout first to go round
the ring road. I don't think we could trust them enough to pay attention, particularly since they're
swinging round a 90 degree bend on the outside so the nose positioning has to be just right, and
thereafter the lanes are only just wide enough for cyclists.

But that's not to say it shouldn't be done.... but I think some of the grassy verge might have to go
to allow it, and put up a separating kerb or something instead.

Jifl (who goes through that junction every time he cycles pretty much anywhere)
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