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  1. I'm new to biking, and I'm never going to be doing 4-5 days a week. I'll
    be lucky to get in 2. I'm never going to be doing all these upgrades
    weekly, learning the detailed terminology, or joining a club where
    people sit around talking about biking all day. I'm just wondering about
    a good bike selection. I've read enough mixed feelings about a lower-end
    bike such as a Mongoose, but I'm not wanting to go 4 figures either. I'm
    a bigger guy (6'1 / 240), and I'm going to be doing both paved and some
    rougher terrain. After looking, talking, and researching, I've settled
    on the Specialized Hardrock Comp. What I'm wondering is...I know this is
    a good choice, but is there anything out there comparable to this
    selection(options, durability, reputation, price, etc.). I don't care
    one iota about looking "cool", "trends", etc. I just want a good bike.
    I've been told that this is probably the best selection (make, model,
    and style), but I wanted to see if anyone had any other info. I'd be
    willing to pay a bit more for the Hardrock Pro (Disc) if there were a
    compelling reason. Also, the SS is about the same price as the comp. Any
    suggestions?

    --

  2. bill2345 said:

    I'm new to biking, and I'm never going to be doing 4-5 days a week.
    I'll be lucky to get in 2. I'm never going to be doing all these
    upgrades weekly, learning the detailed terminology, or joining a club
    where people sit around talking about biking all day. I'm just
    wondering about a good bike selection. I've read enough mixed
    feelings about a lower-end bike such as a Mongoose, but I'm not
    wanting to go 4 figures either. I'm a bigger guy (6'1 / 240), and I'm
    going to be doing both paved and some rougher terrain. After looking,
    talking, and researching, I've settled on the Specialized Hardrock
    Comp. What I'm wondering is...I know this is a good choice, but is
    there anything out there comparable to this selection(options,
    durability, reputation, price, etc.). I don't care one iota about
    looking "cool", "trends", etc. I just want a good bike. I've been
    told that this is probably the best selection (make, model, and
    style), but I wanted to see if anyone had any other info. I'd be
    willing to pay a bit more for the Hardrock Pro (Disc) if there were a
    compelling reason. Also, the SS is about the same price as the comp.
    Any suggestions?

    --

    Whatever fits you best in you price range - try all of them! As far as disc,
    you will NOT need them unless you plan to ride in wet conditions.

    --
    - Zilla
    Cary, NC
    (Remove XSPAM)

  3. bill2345 said:

    I'm new to biking, and I'm never going to be doing 4-5 days a week. I'll
    be lucky to get in 2. I'm never going to be doing all these upgrades
    weekly, learning the detailed terminology, or joining a club where
    people sit around talking about biking all day. I'm just wondering about
    a good bike selection. I've read enough mixed feelings about a lower-end
    bike such as a Mongoose, but I'm not wanting to go 4 figures either. I'm
    a bigger guy (6'1 / 240), and I'm going to be doing both paved and some
    rougher terrain. After looking, talking, and researching, I've settled
    on the Specialized Hardrock Comp. What I'm wondering is...I know this is
    a good choice, but is there anything out there comparable to this
    selection(options, durability, reputation, price, etc.). I don't care
    one iota about looking "cool", "trends", etc. I just want a good bike.
    I've been told that this is probably the best selection (make, model,
    and style), but I wanted to see if anyone had any other info. I'd be
    willing to pay a bit more for the Hardrock Pro (Disc) if there were a
    compelling reason. Also, the SS is about the same price as the comp. Any
    suggestions?

    Don't have mixed feelings about mongeese from a department store.
    They're [censored].
    My LBS had a Hardrock or Rockhopper SS (don't recall which). Its a
    brick. I'd stick to the geared bike, especially since you're new to the
    sport.
    For what you'd pay for a new Hardrock, you could find a much nicer bike
    that's sat in a garage for four years. More of a hassle/risk, but worth
    the thought. Maybe whoever told you the Specializeds were a good choice
    could help you check out the used market.
    I mountain biked for 19 years without disk brakes, you can probably test
    the waters of the sport without them if you don't want to pay a premium.
    :-)
    That said, the Specialized bikes are fine.
    Find a bike you want to ride, and a shop that will make sure it fits.

    Shawn

  4. "bill2345" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    What I'm wondering is...I know this is
    a good choice, but is there anything out there comparable to this
    selection(options, durability, reputation, price, etc.).

    Literally, anything within your general price range at the LBS. Especially
    in the range you're looking at.

    Whatever fits you, from a bike shop you like.

    Specialized is as good as any.

    Pete

  5. bill2345 said:

    I'm new to biking, and I'm never going to be doing 4-5 days a week.
    I'll be lucky to get in 2. I'm never going to be doing all these
    upgrades weekly, learning the detailed terminology, or joining a club
    where people sit around talking about biking all day.

    That's what we all said.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH!!!

    Bill "fresh blood" S.

  6. " S o r n i" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    bill2345 said:

    I'm new to biking, and I'm never going to be doing 4-5 days a week.
    I'll be lucky to get in 2. I'm never going to be doing all these
    upgrades weekly, learning the detailed terminology, or joining a club
    where people sit around talking about biking all day.

    That's what we all said.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH!!!

    Bill "fresh blood" S.

    Exactly, Bill. First thing I thought was, "Yeah, right!"
    If anyone continues to ride any length of time at all (sometimes it does
    take years,) eventually he or she will find the need to upgrade something,
    maybe the bike itself, maybe just a part here or there, but be warned,
    newbies, once it begins, you WILL find reasons to upgrade. You WILL learn
    that there's a good reason to buy some of those more expensive parts. You
    WILL experience a sea-change in attitudes.
    I, for one, was as stubbornly set on _not_ getting hooked into the
    money-sucking schemes of all the "lighter, stronger, stiffer, smoother"
    components and bikes. I definitely was (and still am in most regards) a
    cheap scrooge. I started out on a discount store "ATB" about 15 years ago.
    But guess what? Mountain biking ain't cheap, even if you only ride 2
    days a week. And the more you enjoy it, the more you will pay for function
    and performance, [or should I say Performance.com? :-) ] I'm still not
    swayed much at all by cool factor, whether it be aesthetics or even minor
    function, unless it means something in MY particular riding experience. But
    if something offers me truly superior performance or durability, it'll
    definitlely open my pocketbook wider than I once thought anything could.
    Case in point: I have a friend who has been into flying for a long time.
    He's a physician and can afford it. He has also been biking with a
    mountainbike for several years, but mainly just tooling around his farm and
    woods and on a few country roads near his home. He managed to run smack over
    his Cannondale last year, totally ruining the frame and fork, so he called
    me for advice on a new bike. (He should have done that before buying the
    C-dale.)
    I know of another buddy who buys nice bikes, tinkers with them and
    builds them up, then eventually parts with them at very reasonable prices
    (_far below retail.) I suggested we go see what he had on hand, though I
    warned the doc that we would have to bump up a few hundred over what he had
    paid for his Cannondale, which was quite low-end but still ran him near $700
    two years earlier, I think. (He did overpay at that rather sorry LBS.)
    So we found him a Diamondback, full suspension (helpful at 50 years
    old), Hayes hydraulic disc, Marzocchi air front end, good setup of mostly XT
    components. Yes, a bit heavier than his old bike, but still reasonable. And
    all for about a grand, I think. So now he has had it for not-quite a year.
    About a week ago, for his birthday, his wife gets him to an LBS and he got
    his first biking specific jersey and, oh yes, the lycra shorts and tights
    too. (I'll be getting him into biking socks next.) He observed recently
    that, "this mountainbiking isn't cheap, is it? I've always known I had an
    expensive hobby in flying my plane, but I never thought biking could be so
    expensive." I nodded in knowing agreement, and thought of how much stock I
    own in PerformanceBike, or at least should after the last 6 years of
    frequent purchases.
    Doc had some vacation last week, so I finally got him off the farm and
    out to Douthat State Park for some real trail-riding. We took a long (for
    him) ride, with a big climb and then off into some National Forest that is a
    bit wilder and less-buff than in the park. We were coming back through a
    hollow alongside a beautiful creek, and doc noted, "You know, this is pretty
    fun. I'm going to have to take some more vacation and do this again."
    Another one hooked on the greatest sport known to mankind!!!
    --
    D N
    I E T S
    Off to R the M __, D H

    Reply to group. (Detestible spammers!)

  7. bill2345 said:

    I'm new to biking, and I'm never going to be doing 4-5 days a week. I'll
    be lucky to get in 2. I'm never going to be doing all these upgrades
    weekly, learning the detailed terminology, or joining a club where
    people sit around talking about biking all day. I'm just wondering about
    a good bike selection. I've read enough mixed feelings about a lower-end
    bike such as a Mongoose, but I'm not wanting to go 4 figures either. I'm
    a bigger guy (6'1 / 240), and I'm going to be doing both paved and some
    rougher terrain. After looking, talking, and researching, I've settled
    on the Specialized Hardrock Comp. What I'm wondering is...I know this is
    a good choice, but is there anything out there comparable to this
    selection(options, durability, reputation, price, etc.). I don't care
    one iota about looking "cool", "trends", etc. I just want a good bike.
    I've been told that this is probably the best selection (make, model,
    and style), but I wanted to see if anyone had any other info. I'd be
    willing to pay a bit more for the Hardrock Pro (Disc) if there were a
    compelling reason. Also, the SS is about the same price as the comp. Any
    suggestions?

    OK, now that I've done more research, talking to buddies, two LBS's, I'm
    looking not so much at the Specialized anymore, as the Pro Disc is an 8
    speed, not a 9 speed. I've been told that C-dale can't compare. The Kona
    is great, but has V-brakes (I really do need disc - wet, I'm a big guy,
    and some trails around here are steep). So, I'm looking now to get a
    Giant - either the Iguana or the Rainier. The Rainier supposedly has top
    of the line disc brakes, and a much better fork. Any thoughts?

    --

  8. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: New Bike Purchase - Specialized?
    From: bill2345 [email hidden]
    Date: 5/2/2004 2:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    bill2345 said:

    I'm new to biking, and I'm never going to be doing 4-5 days a week. I'll
    be lucky to get in 2. I'm never going to be doing all these upgrades
    weekly, learning the detailed terminology, or joining a club where
    people sit around talking about biking all day. I'm just wondering about
    a good bike selection. I've read enough mixed feelings about a lower-end
    bike such as a Mongoose, but I'm not wanting to go 4 figures either. I'm
    a bigger guy (6'1 / 240), and I'm going to be doing both paved and some
    rougher terrain. After looking, talking, and researching, I've settled
    on the Specialized Hardrock Comp. What I'm wondering is...I know this is
    a good choice, but is there anything out there comparable to this
    selection(options, durability, reputation, price, etc.). I don't care
    one iota about looking "cool", "trends", etc. I just want a good bike.
    I've been told that this is probably the best selection (make, model,
    and style), but I wanted to see if anyone had any other info. I'd be
    willing to pay a bit more for the Hardrock Pro (Disc) if there were a
    compelling reason. Also, the SS is about the same price as the comp. Any
    suggestions?

    OK, now that I've done more research, talking to buddies, two LBS's, I'm
    looking not so much at the Specialized anymore, as the Pro Disc is an 8
    speed, not a 9 speed. I've been told that C-dale can't compare. The Kona
    is great, but has V-brakes (I really do need disc - wet, I'm a big guy,
    and some trails around here are steep). So, I'm looking now to get a
    Giant - either the Iguana or the Rainier. The Rainier supposedly has top
    of the line disc brakes, and a much better fork. Any thoughts?


    The Rainier does come with Avid Mechanical disc brakes, which many would agree,
    are the best of the best in mechanical disc brakes. Some may even say they are
    better then some hydraulic discs. I owned a 2002 Rainier and my only complaint
    was that it did not climb well.

    Which Kona model are you looking at? Kona makes the Caldera, which is in the
    Rainiers price range, and comes a bit better spec'd then the Rainier.

  9. Quoted message said:

    and some trails around here are steep). So, I'm looking now to get a
    Giant - either the Iguana or the Rainier. The Rainier supposedly has top
    of the line disc brakes, and a much better fork. Any thoughts?

    Giant always builds lot's of value into their bikes, either of those two
    will do you just fine. They aren't the lightest at that price point, but if
    your starting out the quality/price isn't bad at all.

  10. bill2345 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    bill2345 said:

    I'm new to biking, and I'm never going to be doing 4-5 days a week. I'll
    be lucky to get in 2. I'm never going to be doing all these upgrades
    weekly, learning the detailed terminology, or joining a club where
    people sit around talking about biking all day. I'm just wondering about
    a good bike selection. I've read enough mixed feelings about a lower-end
    bike such as a Mongoose, but I'm not wanting to go 4 figures either. I'm
    a bigger guy (6'1 / 240), and I'm going to be doing both paved and some
    rougher terrain. After looking, talking, and researching, I've settled
    on the Specialized Hardrock Comp. What I'm wondering is...I know this is
    a good choice, but is there anything out there comparable to this
    selection(options, durability, reputation, price, etc.). I don't care
    one iota about looking "cool", "trends", etc. I just want a good bike.
    I've been told that this is probably the best selection (make, model,
    and style), but I wanted to see if anyone had any other info. I'd be
    willing to pay a bit more for the Hardrock Pro (Disc) if there were a
    compelling reason. Also, the SS is about the same price as the comp. Any
    suggestions?

    OK, now that I've done more research, talking to buddies, two LBS's, I'm
    looking not so much at the Specialized anymore, as the Pro Disc is an 8
    speed, not a 9 speed. I've been told that C-dale can't compare. The Kona
    is great, but has V-brakes (I really do need disc - wet, I'm a big guy,
    and some trails around here are steep). So, I'm looking now to get a
    Giant - either the Iguana or the Rainier. The Rainier supposedly has top
    of the line disc brakes, and a much better fork. Any thoughts?

    Don't get stuck on name brands, that is for fools and wannabes.
    Usenet is full of people who pretend to know what they are talking
    about, but don't know jack. As a couple of other people have said,
    buy the bike that fits you the best. Also, at your weight be sure the
    wheelset has double wall rims and good name brand spokes. Some of the
    cheesier brands like to hide cheap chinese spokes on their wheelsets
    to save themselves a buck and snapping the head off of a spoke on your
    ride is obviously not their concern. One last thing, you don't *need*
    disc brakes. People mountain biked for years without them, just as
    they did without suspension. Listening to media hype is just as lame
    as blind brand loyalists.

    JD

  11. "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I'm new to biking, and I'm never going to be doing 4-5 days a week.


    I'll

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    be lucky to get in 2. I'm never going to be doing all these upgrades
    weekly, learning the detailed terminology, or joining a club where
    people sit around talking about biking all day. I'm just wondering


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    a good bike selection. I've read enough mixed feelings about a


    lower-end

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    bike such as a Mongoose, but I'm not wanting to go 4 figures either.


    I'm

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    a bigger guy (6'1 / 240), and I'm going to be doing both paved and


    some

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    rougher terrain. After looking, talking, and researching, I've


    settled

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    on the Specialized Hardrock Comp. What I'm wondering is...I know


    this is

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    a good choice, but is there anything out there comparable to this
    selection(options, durability, reputation, price, etc.). I don't


    care

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    one iota about looking "cool", "trends", etc. I just want a good


    bike.

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    I've been told that this is probably the best selection (make,


    model,

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    and style), but I wanted to see if anyone had any other info. I'd be
    willing to pay a bit more for the Hardrock Pro (Disc) if there were


    a

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    compelling reason. Also, the SS is about the same price as the comp.


    Any

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    suggestions?

    OK, now that I've done more research, talking to buddies, two LBS's, I'm
    looking not so much at the Specialized anymore, as the Pro Disc is an 8
    speed, not a 9 speed. I've been told that C-dale can't compare. The Kona
    is great, but has V-brakes (I really do need disc - wet, I'm a big guy,
    and some trails around here are steep). So, I'm looking now to get a
    Giant - either the Iguana or the Rainier. The Rainier supposedly has top
    of the line disc brakes, and a much better fork. Any thoughts?

    Don't get stuck on name brands, that is for fools and wannabes.
    Usenet is full of people who pretend to know what they are talking
    about, but don't know jack. As a couple of other people have said,
    buy the bike that fits you the best. Also, at your weight be sure the
    wheelset has double wall rims and good name brand spokes. Some of the
    cheesier brands like to hide cheap chinese spokes on their wheelsets
    to save themselves a buck and snapping the head off of a spoke on your
    ride is obviously not their concern. One last thing, you don't *need*
    disc brakes. People mountain biked for years without them, just as
    they did without suspension. Listening to media hype is just as lame
    as blind brand loyalists.

    If you can, find a mtn bike with a lifetime warranty on the frame. Of
    course, fit and performance are the most important things, but if you can
    get this with w/a lifetime warranty then why not? It gives me a little
    piece of mind knowing that I won't have to purchase a new frame if I get a
    little too roudy with mine.

    Dave

  12. earlier ...

    "OK, now that I've done more research, talking to buddies, two LBS's, I'm
    looking not so much at the Specialized anymore, as the Pro Disc is an 8
    speed, not a 9 speed."

    i don't think i'd get hung up on 8 versus 9 speeds, especially as a new
    rider. i started mountain biking back when we had 5 speed hubs, and kind
    of saw the progression to "more" as useful at first and then a bit crazy.

    with my current 9-speed hub, i can make fine adjustements to my gear ratio,
    but i also seem to spend a lot of time shifting through gears to get a big
    change in ratio.

    is suspect (for me) the optimum would be a bit less than 9 ... maybe 7 or 8.

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