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  1. I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:

    front raise: 35 lbsx8x4
    Reverse Curl: 75 lbs x 6; 65 lbs x 7
    Standing Triceps press: 45 x 8 x 5
    Front pull (chest expander) 40 lbs at full ext: x 12 x 5
    Curl: 75 x 7 x 4
    Cable back press: 70 x 12 x 5
    Wrist curls 75 x 7 x 4
    Cable forward pull down: 55 x 11 x 6
    Curl: 80 x 5
    Cable military press: 40 x 12 x 9
    Closed Heavy Grip #200
    Cable Whippet: 35 x 12 x 4
    Standing Triceps press: 35 x 9
    Straight back row: 80 x 10 x 10
    Good Mornings: 55 x 15 / 65 x 10
    Straight back, straight leg deadlift: 105 x 10
    Full squat: 75 x 10 x 7
    Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    Squat: 75 x 10 x 9

    I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.

  2. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    chest expander for 10 years.

    Was it the "Mark Eden" model? Did it work as advertised?

  3. "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:

    front raise: 35 lbsx8x4
    Reverse Curl: 75 lbs x 6; 65 lbs x 7
    Standing Triceps press: 45 x 8 x 5
    Front pull (chest expander) 40 lbs at full ext: x 12 x 5
    Curl: 75 x 7 x 4
    Cable back press: 70 x 12 x 5
    Wrist curls 75 x 7 x 4
    Cable forward pull down: 55 x 11 x 6
    Curl: 80 x 5
    Cable military press: 40 x 12 x 9
    Closed Heavy Grip #200
    Cable Whippet: 35 x 12 x 4
    Standing Triceps press: 35 x 9
    Straight back row: 80 x 10 x 10
    Good Mornings: 55 x 15 / 65 x 10
    Straight back, straight leg deadlift: 105 x 10
    Full squat: 75 x 10 x 7
    Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    Squat: 75 x 10 x 9

    I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.

    Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?

    Anyway, the answer is you've wasted 10 years. Get started with real weights.

    Hugh

    --
    Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
    chocolate. ("Ladi"😉

  4. Toe raises for the calf muscles as shown here:
    http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Gastrocnemius/BBStandingCalfRaise.html
    I called them the wrong name: Barbell Standing Leg Calf Raise
    Do you have any other good exercises for the calves?

  5. On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:46:57 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:

    front raise: 35 lbsx8x4
    Reverse Curl: 75 lbs x 6; 65 lbs x 7
    Standing Triceps press: 45 x 8 x 5
    Front pull (chest expander) 40 lbs at full ext: x 12 x 5
    Curl: 75 x 7 x 4
    Cable back press: 70 x 12 x 5
    Wrist curls 75 x 7 x 4
    Cable forward pull down: 55 x 11 x 6
    Curl: 80 x 5
    Cable military press: 40 x 12 x 9
    Closed Heavy Grip #200
    Cable Whippet: 35 x 12 x 4
    Standing Triceps press: 35 x 9
    Straight back row: 80 x 10 x 10
    Good Mornings: 55 x 15 / 65 x 10
    Straight back, straight leg deadlift: 105 x 10
    Full squat: 75 x 10 x 7
    Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    Squat: 75 x 10 x 9

    I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.

    Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?

    Anyway, the answer is you've wasted 10 years. Get started with real weights.

    There is an obsession in this Group with labelling people "trolls",
    this time for no better reason that he got his terminology wrong.

    Come on Hugh, he obviously meant heel raises.

    John Williams will have effectively done his job well if he has us all
    twitched about "trolls" - real or imagined.

  6. On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:46:57 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?

    Barbell Standing Leg Calf Raises ref:
    http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Gastrocnemius/BBStandingCalfRaise.html

  7. JRH said:

    On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:46:57 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:

    front raise: 35 lbsx8x4
    Reverse Curl: 75 lbs x 6; 65 lbs x 7
    Standing Triceps press: 45 x 8 x 5
    Front pull (chest expander) 40 lbs at full ext: x 12 x 5
    Curl: 75 x 7 x 4
    Cable back press: 70 x 12 x 5
    Wrist curls 75 x 7 x 4
    Cable forward pull down: 55 x 11 x 6
    Curl: 80 x 5
    Cable military press: 40 x 12 x 9
    Closed Heavy Grip #200
    Cable Whippet: 35 x 12 x 4
    Standing Triceps press: 35 x 9
    Straight back row: 80 x 10 x 10
    Good Mornings: 55 x 15 / 65 x 10
    Straight back, straight leg deadlift: 105 x 10
    Full squat: 75 x 10 x 7
    Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    Squat: 75 x 10 x 9

    I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.

    Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?

    Anyway, the answer is you've wasted 10 years. Get started with real weights.

    There is an obsession in this Group with labelling people "trolls",
    this time for no better reason that he got his terminology wrong.

    Come on Hugh, he obviously meant heel raises.


    What's wrong with writing "toe raises"? Why do you think he is using
    incorrect terminology? Delavier's Strength Training Anatomy and
    Yessis' Kinesiology of Exercise describe toe raises.

    Quoted message said:


    John Williams will have effectively done his job well if he has us all
    twitched about "trolls" - real or imagined.

    There's more than one person here who keeps the pot simmering beneath
    this insipid topic.

  8. Quoted message said:
    JRH said:

    On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:46:57 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    > I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    > chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    > to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:
    >
    > front raise: 35 lbsx8x4
    > Reverse Curl: 75 lbs x 6; 65 lbs x 7
    > Standing Triceps press: 45 x 8 x 5
    > Front pull (chest expander) 40 lbs at full ext: x 12 x 5
    > Curl: 75 x 7 x 4
    > Cable back press: 70 x 12 x 5
    > Wrist curls 75 x 7 x 4
    > Cable forward pull down: 55 x 11 x 6
    > Curl: 80 x 5
    > Cable military press: 40 x 12 x 9
    > Closed Heavy Grip #200
    > Cable Whippet: 35 x 12 x 4
    > Standing Triceps press: 35 x 9
    > Straight back row: 80 x 10 x 10
    > Good Mornings: 55 x 15 / 65 x 10
    > Straight back, straight leg deadlift: 105 x 10
    > Full squat: 75 x 10 x 7
    > Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    > Squat: 75 x 10 x 9
    >
    > I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.
    >

    Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?

    Anyway, the answer is you've wasted 10 years. Get started with real weights.

    There is an obsession in this Group with labelling people "trolls",
    this time for no better reason that he got his terminology wrong.

    Come on Hugh, he obviously meant heel raises.

    Quoted message said:

    What's wrong with writing "toe raises"?

    Nothing, if he is aiming to exercise the anterior aspect of the lower
    leg (anterior tibialis).

    Quoted message said:

    Why do you think he is using
    incorrect terminology? Delavier's Strength Training Anatomy and
    Yessis' Kinesiology of Exercise describe toe raises.

    I believe he meant heel raises, which is a much stronger and more
    common exercise, particularly given that he was using weights to carry
    out the function.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    John Williams will have effectively done his job well if he has us all
    twitched about "trolls" - real or imagined.

    There's more than one person here who keeps the pot simmering beneath
    this insipid topic.

    It appears that you too are becoming seduced by the thrall of it all
    Old Man! ;o)

  9. [email hidden] wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    JRH said:

    On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:46:57 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    > I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    > chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    > to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:
    >
    > front raise: 35 lbsx8x4
    > Reverse Curl: 75 lbs x 6; 65 lbs x 7
    > Standing Triceps press: 45 x 8 x 5
    > Front pull (chest expander) 40 lbs at full ext: x 12 x 5
    > Curl: 75 x 7 x 4
    > Cable back press: 70 x 12 x 5
    > Wrist curls 75 x 7 x 4
    > Cable forward pull down: 55 x 11 x 6
    > Curl: 80 x 5
    > Cable military press: 40 x 12 x 9
    > Closed Heavy Grip #200
    > Cable Whippet: 35 x 12 x 4
    > Standing Triceps press: 35 x 9
    > Straight back row: 80 x 10 x 10
    > Good Mornings: 55 x 15 / 65 x 10
    > Straight back, straight leg deadlift: 105 x 10
    > Full squat: 75 x 10 x 7
    > Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    > Squat: 75 x 10 x 9
    >
    > I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.
    >

    Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?

    Anyway, the answer is you've wasted 10 years. Get started with real
    weights.

    There is an obsession in this Group with labelling people "trolls",
    this time for no better reason that he got his terminology wrong.

    Come on Hugh, he obviously meant heel raises.


    What's wrong with writing "toe raises"? Why do you think he is using
    incorrect terminology? Delavier's Strength Training Anatomy and
    Yessis' Kinesiology of Exercise describe toe raises.

    Quoted message said:


    John Williams will have effectively done his job well if he has us all
    twitched about "trolls" - real or imagined.

    There's more than one person here who keeps the pot simmering beneath
    this insipid topic.

    Unfortunately, one of the ways the trolls amuse themselves is by posting
    stupid requests for advice, which gives them a giggle when someone tries
    to help. It's not JMW who is making people twitchy.

    Given a list of mostly fru-fru stuff, when I got to "toe raises" I did not
    immediately leap to the conclusion that they meant something real by it.

    Hugh

    --
    Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
    chocolate. ("Ladi"😉

  10. On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:46:21 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    JRH said:

    On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:46:57 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    >news:[email hidden]:
    >
    >> I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    >> chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    >> to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:
    >>
    >> front raise: 35 lbsx8x4
    >> Reverse Curl: 75 lbs x 6; 65 lbs x 7
    >> Standing Triceps press: 45 x 8 x 5
    >> Front pull (chest expander) 40 lbs at full ext: x 12 x 5
    >> Curl: 75 x 7 x 4
    >> Cable back press: 70 x 12 x 5
    >> Wrist curls 75 x 7 x 4
    >> Cable forward pull down: 55 x 11 x 6
    >> Curl: 80 x 5
    >> Cable military press: 40 x 12 x 9
    >> Closed Heavy Grip #200
    >> Cable Whippet: 35 x 12 x 4
    >> Standing Triceps press: 35 x 9
    >> Straight back row: 80 x 10 x 10
    >> Good Mornings: 55 x 15 / 65 x 10
    >> Straight back, straight leg deadlift: 105 x 10
    >> Full squat: 75 x 10 x 7
    >> Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    >> Squat: 75 x 10 x 9
    >>
    >> I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.
    >>
    >
    >Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?
    >
    >Anyway, the answer is you've wasted 10 years. Get started with real
    >weights.
    >

    There is an obsession in this Group with labelling people "trolls",
    this time for no better reason that he got his terminology wrong.

    Come on Hugh, he obviously meant heel raises.


    What's wrong with writing "toe raises"? Why do you think he is using
    incorrect terminology? Delavier's Strength Training Anatomy and
    Yessis' Kinesiology of Exercise describe toe raises.

    Quoted message said:


    John Williams will have effectively done his job well if he has us all
    twitched about "trolls" - real or imagined.

    There's more than one person here who keeps the pot simmering beneath
    this insipid topic.

    Unfortunately, one of the ways the trolls amuse themselves is by posting
    stupid requests for advice, which gives them a giggle when someone tries
    to help. It's not JMW who is making people twitchy.

    Given a list of mostly fru-fru stuff, when I got to "toe raises" I did not
    immediately leap to the conclusion that they meant something real by it.

    Which means you got it wrong Hugh, or are you too "trolling"?

    My we are all in a pickle are we not? ;o)

    QED

  11. JRH said:
    Quoted message said:
    JRH said:

    On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:46:57 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    >news:[email hidden]:
    >
    >> I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    >> chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    >> to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:
    >>
    >> front raise: 35 lbsx8x4
    >> Reverse Curl: 75 lbs x 6; 65 lbs x 7
    >> Standing Triceps press: 45 x 8 x 5
    >> Front pull (chest expander) 40 lbs at full ext: x 12 x 5
    >> Curl: 75 x 7 x 4
    >> Cable back press: 70 x 12 x 5
    >> Wrist curls 75 x 7 x 4
    >> Cable forward pull down: 55 x 11 x 6
    >> Curl: 80 x 5
    >> Cable military press: 40 x 12 x 9
    >> Closed Heavy Grip #200
    >> Cable Whippet: 35 x 12 x 4
    >> Standing Triceps press: 35 x 9
    >> Straight back row: 80 x 10 x 10
    >> Good Mornings: 55 x 15 / 65 x 10
    >> Straight back, straight leg deadlift: 105 x 10
    >> Full squat: 75 x 10 x 7
    >> Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    >> Squat: 75 x 10 x 9
    >>
    >> I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.
    >>
    >
    >Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?
    >
    >Anyway, the answer is you've wasted 10 years. Get started with real weights.
    >

    There is an obsession in this Group with labelling people "trolls",
    this time for no better reason that he got his terminology wrong.

    Come on Hugh, he obviously meant heel raises.

    Quoted message said:

    What's wrong with writing "toe raises"?

    Nothing, if he is aiming to exercise the anterior aspect of the lower
    leg (anterior tibialis).

    and the extensor digitorum longus and the peroneus tertius muscles -
    all located on the front of the shin and responsible for dorsi flexion

    I'd like to point out the Delavier describes a one-legged toe raise
    using a DB which works the triceps surae (composed of the soleus and
    gastrocnemius lateral and medial heads). He advises long sets until a
    burning sensation is felt.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Why do you think he is using
    incorrect terminology? Delavier's Strength Training Anatomy and
    Yessis' Kinesiology of Exercise describe toe raises.

    I believe he meant heel raises, which is a much stronger and more
    common exercise, particularly given that he was using weights to carry
    out the function.

    True. Light weights for the toe raise will give you a good workout.

    He's using 125 lbs for the calf (or heel) raise. I'm never quite sure
    what the 125 X 25 X15 logging system is supposed to represent - 25
    sets of 15 reps or 15 sets of 25 reps? I much prefer this type of
    recording system -
    1125/15, 25 where 15 stands for the reps and 25 stands for the sets.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    John Williams will have effectively done his job well if he has us all
    twitched about "trolls" - real or imagined.

    There's more than one person here who keeps the pot simmering beneath
    this insipid topic.

    It appears that you too are becoming seduced by the thrall of it all
    Old Man! ;o)

    I'm not seduced by any type of bondage going on in this ng - unless
    you want to fantasize about the Texas Rope Pull
    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=829136
    And if you do, please do this privately. . .

  12. Quoted message said:
    JRH said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:49:34 +0000, JRH <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:46:57 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    >>news:[email hidden]:
    >>
    >>> I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    >>> chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    >>> to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:
    >>>
    >>> front raise: 35 lbsx8x4
    >>> Reverse Curl: 75 lbs x 6; 65 lbs x 7
    >>> Standing Triceps press: 45 x 8 x 5
    >>> Front pull (chest expander) 40 lbs at full ext: x 12 x 5
    >>> Curl: 75 x 7 x 4
    >>> Cable back press: 70 x 12 x 5
    >>> Wrist curls 75 x 7 x 4
    >>> Cable forward pull down: 55 x 11 x 6
    >>> Curl: 80 x 5
    >>> Cable military press: 40 x 12 x 9
    >>> Closed Heavy Grip #200
    >>> Cable Whippet: 35 x 12 x 4
    >>> Standing Triceps press: 35 x 9
    >>> Straight back row: 80 x 10 x 10
    >>> Good Mornings: 55 x 15 / 65 x 10
    >>> Straight back, straight leg deadlift: 105 x 10
    >>> Full squat: 75 x 10 x 7
    >>> Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    >>> Squat: 75 x 10 x 9
    >>>
    >>> I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.
    >>>
    >>
    >>Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?
    >>
    >>Anyway, the answer is you've wasted 10 years. Get started with real weights.
    >>
    >
    >There is an obsession in this Group with labelling people "trolls",
    >this time for no better reason that he got his terminology wrong.
    >
    >Come on Hugh, he obviously meant heel raises.

    Quoted message said:

    What's wrong with writing "toe raises"?

    Nothing, if he is aiming to exercise the anterior aspect of the lower
    leg (anterior tibialis).

    and the extensor digitorum longus and the peroneus tertius muscles -
    all located on the front of the shin and responsible for dorsi flexion

    I'd like to point out the Delavier describes a one-legged toe raise
    using a DB which works the triceps surae (composed of the soleus and
    gastrocnemius lateral and medial heads). He advises long sets until a
    burning sensation is felt.

    But not with 125 lbs.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why do you think he is using
    incorrect terminology? Delavier's Strength Training Anatomy and
    Yessis' Kinesiology of Exercise describe toe raises.

    I believe he meant heel raises, which is a much stronger and more
    common exercise, particularly given that he was using weights to carry
    out the function.

    True. Light weights for the toe raise will give you a good workout.

    He's using 125 lbs for the calf (or heel) raise. I'm never quite sure
    what the 125 X 25 X15 logging system is supposed to represent - 25
    sets of 15 reps or 15 sets of 25 reps? I much prefer this type of
    recording system -
    1125/15, 25 where 15 stands for the reps and 25 stands for the sets.

    Whatever way round it is it's far too many. Three sets of 8-10 reps,
    with the last couple of reps on the third set just about doable, is
    the correct weight.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    >John Williams will have effectively done his job well if he has us all
    >twitched about "trolls" - real or imagined.

    There's more than one person here who keeps the pot simmering beneath
    this insipid topic.

    It appears that you too are becoming seduced by the thrall of it all
    Old Man! ;o)

    I'm not seduced by any type of bondage going on in this ng - unless
    you want to fantasize about the Texas Rope Pull
    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=829136
    And if you do, please do this privately. . .

    It certainly appears to have done her 'pecs' the world of good! ;o)

  13. Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:59:10 +0000, JRH <[email hidden]> wrote:
    He's using 125 lbs for the calf (or heel) raise. I'm never quite sure
    what the 125 X 25 X15 logging system is supposed to represent - 25
    sets of 15 reps or 15 sets of 25 reps? I much prefer this type of
    recording system -
    1125/15, 25 where 15 stands for the reps and 25 stands for the sets.

    I meant 125 pounds, with 1 set of 25 reps, and a second set at 15 reps

  14. JRH said:
    Quoted message said:
    JRH said:

    On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:32:07 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

    >On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:49:34 +0000, JRH <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:46:57 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>>"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    >>>news:[email hidden]:
    >>>
    >>>> I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    >>>> chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    >>>> to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:
    >>>>
    >>>> front raise: 35 lbsx8x4
    >>>> Reverse Curl: 75 lbs x 6; 65 lbs x 7
    >>>> Standing Triceps press: 45 x 8 x 5
    >>>> Front pull (chest expander) 40 lbs at full ext: x 12 x 5
    >>>> Curl: 75 x 7 x 4
    >>>> Cable back press: 70 x 12 x 5
    >>>> Wrist curls 75 x 7 x 4
    >>>> Cable forward pull down: 55 x 11 x 6
    >>>> Curl: 80 x 5
    >>>> Cable military press: 40 x 12 x 9
    >>>> Closed Heavy Grip #200
    >>>> Cable Whippet: 35 x 12 x 4
    >>>> Standing Triceps press: 35 x 9
    >>>> Straight back row: 80 x 10 x 10
    >>>> Good Mornings: 55 x 15 / 65 x 10
    >>>> Straight back, straight leg deadlift: 105 x 10
    >>>> Full squat: 75 x 10 x 7
    >>>> Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    >>>> Squat: 75 x 10 x 9
    >>>>
    >>>> I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?
    >>>
    >>>Anyway, the answer is you've wasted 10 years. Get started with real weights.
    >>>
    >>
    >>There is an obsession in this Group with labelling people "trolls",
    >>this time for no better reason that he got his terminology wrong.
    >>
    >>Come on Hugh, he obviously meant heel raises.

    >What's wrong with writing "toe raises"?

    Nothing, if he is aiming to exercise the anterior aspect of the lower
    leg (anterior tibialis).

    and the extensor digitorum longus and the peroneus tertius muscles -
    all located on the front of the shin and responsible for dorsi flexion

    I'd like to point out the Delavier describes a one-legged toe raise
    using a DB which works the triceps surae (composed of the soleus and
    gastrocnemius lateral and medial heads). He advises long sets until a
    burning sensation is felt.

    But not with 125 lbs.

    Agreed. I've never done this one-legged DB toe raise, but I imagine
    that would be WAY too much weight for me. And yet I wonder why that
    would be as double that isn't at all impressive on a standing calf
    machine and holding onto a 125 lb DB for 3 sets of 10 is certainly
    doable. I guess it's a balance problem.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    >Why do you think he is using
    >incorrect terminology? Delavier's Strength Training Anatomy and
    >Yessis' Kinesiology of Exercise describe toe raises.

    I believe he meant heel raises, which is a much stronger and more
    common exercise, particularly given that he was using weights to carry
    out the function.

    True. Light weights for the toe raise will give you a good workout.

    He's using 125 lbs for the calf (or heel) raise. I'm never quite sure
    what the 125 X 25 X15 logging system is supposed to represent - 25
    sets of 15 reps or 15 sets of 25 reps? I much prefer this type of
    recording system -
    1125/15, 25 where 15 stands for the reps and 25 stands for the sets.

    Whatever way round it is it's far too many. Three sets of 8-10 reps,
    with the last couple of reps on the third set just about doable, is
    the correct weight.

    Sounds right. Except for the 1125 number . . .

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    >>
    >>John Williams will have effectively done his job well if he has us all
    >>twitched about "trolls" - real or imagined.
    >
    >There's more than one person here who keeps the pot simmering beneath
    >this insipid topic.

    It appears that you too are becoming seduced by the thrall of it all
    Old Man! ;o)

    I'm not seduced by any type of bondage going on in this ng - unless
    you want to fantasize about the Texas Rope Pull
    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=829136
    And if you do, please do this privately. . .

    It certainly appears to have done her 'pecs' the world of good! ;o)


    Catalogs oughtta come with a disclaimer that buying the clothes
    advertised won't make you look like the models.

  15. Quoted message said:
    JRH said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:59:10 +0000, JRH <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:32:07 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:
    >
    >>On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:49:34 +0000, JRH <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 04:46:57 GMT, Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]>
    >>>wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    >>>>news:[email hidden]:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    >>>>> chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    >>>>> to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> front raise: 35 lbsx8x4
    >>>>> Reverse Curl: 75 lbs x 6; 65 lbs x 7
    >>>>> Standing Triceps press: 45 x 8 x 5
    >>>>> Front pull (chest expander) 40 lbs at full ext: x 12 x 5
    >>>>> Curl: 75 x 7 x 4
    >>>>> Cable back press: 70 x 12 x 5
    >>>>> Wrist curls 75 x 7 x 4
    >>>>> Cable forward pull down: 55 x 11 x 6
    >>>>> Curl: 80 x 5
    >>>>> Cable military press: 40 x 12 x 9
    >>>>> Closed Heavy Grip #200
    >>>>> Cable Whippet: 35 x 12 x 4
    >>>>> Standing Triceps press: 35 x 9
    >>>>> Straight back row: 80 x 10 x 10
    >>>>> Good Mornings: 55 x 15 / 65 x 10
    >>>>> Straight back, straight leg deadlift: 105 x 10
    >>>>> Full squat: 75 x 10 x 7
    >>>>> Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    >>>>> Squat: 75 x 10 x 9
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?
    >>>>
    >>>>Anyway, the answer is you've wasted 10 years. Get started with real weights.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>There is an obsession in this Group with labelling people "trolls",
    >>>this time for no better reason that he got his terminology wrong.
    >>>
    >>>Come on Hugh, he obviously meant heel raises.
    >
    >>What's wrong with writing "toe raises"?
    >
    >Nothing, if he is aiming to exercise the anterior aspect of the lower
    >leg (anterior tibialis).

    and the extensor digitorum longus and the peroneus tertius muscles -
    all located on the front of the shin and responsible for dorsi flexion

    I'd like to point out the Delavier describes a one-legged toe raise
    using a DB which works the triceps surae (composed of the soleus and
    gastrocnemius lateral and medial heads). He advises long sets until a
    burning sensation is felt.

    But not with 125 lbs.

    Agreed. I've never done this one-legged DB toe raise, but I imagine
    that would be WAY too much weight for me. And yet I wonder why that
    would be as double that isn't at all impressive on a standing calf
    machine and holding onto a 125 lb DB for 3 sets of 10 is certainly
    doable. I guess it's a balance problem.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    >>Why do you think he is using
    >>incorrect terminology? Delavier's Strength Training Anatomy and
    >>Yessis' Kinesiology of Exercise describe toe raises.
    >
    >I believe he meant heel raises, which is a much stronger and more
    >common exercise, particularly given that he was using weights to carry
    >out the function.

    True. Light weights for the toe raise will give you a good workout.

    He's using 125 lbs for the calf (or heel) raise. I'm never quite sure
    what the 125 X 25 X15 logging system is supposed to represent - 25
    sets of 15 reps or 15 sets of 25 reps? I much prefer this type of
    recording system -
    1125/15, 25 where 15 stands for the reps and 25 stands for the sets.

    Whatever way round it is it's far too many. Three sets of 8-10 reps,
    with the last couple of reps on the third set just about doable, is
    the correct weight.

    Sounds right. Except for the 1125 number . . .

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    >>>
    >>>John Williams will have effectively done his job well if he has us all
    >>>twitched about "trolls" - real or imagined.
    >>
    >>There's more than one person here who keeps the pot simmering beneath
    >>this insipid topic.
    >
    >It appears that you too are becoming seduced by the thrall of it all
    >Old Man! ;o)

    I'm not seduced by any type of bondage going on in this ng - unless
    you want to fantasize about the Texas Rope Pull
    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=829136
    And if you do, please do this privately. . .

    It certainly appears to have done her 'pecs' the world of good! ;o)

    Catalogs oughtta come with a disclaimer that buying the clothes
    advertised won't make you look like the models.

    Heh!

  16. JRH said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Catalogs oughtta come with a disclaimer that buying the clothes
    advertised won't make you look like the models.

    Heh!

    Indeed.

    GNC, however, made a ton of money selling those clown pants back in
    the late 80's and early 90's. As well as the Powerhouse Gym t-shirts.

    --
    Curt
    http://curtjames.com/

  17. Quoted message said:

    I just started weights last week, but have been working out with a
    chest expander for 10 years. Here is where I am now, and I would like
    to know how balanced, or not the muscle groups are:

    Quoted message said:

    Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15

    OK, I used the wrong term, I meant Barbell Standing Leg Calf Raise, as
    shown here:
    http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Gastrocnemius/BBStandingCalfRaise.html

    I do not know what the standard method for weight, reps and sets is,
    but by 125 x 25 x 15, I meant 125 pounds, and 2 sets, the first set at
    25 reps, and the second set at 15 reps.

  18. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> Toe raises: 125 x 25 x 15
    >>> Squat: 75 x 10 x 9

    75 x 10 x 9 for me means 75 pounds, 2 sets, 1 set at 10 reps, and
    second set at 9 reps

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> I'll be adding more exercises like the bench press, etc.
    >>>
    >>
    >>Is this a troll? "Toe raises"?

    I meant Heal raises, or as called in
    http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Gastrocnemius/BBStandingCalfRaise.html
    Barbell Standing Leg Calf Raises

  19. Barbell Standing Leg Calf Raise as shown here:
    http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Gastrocnemius/BBStandingCalfRaise.html
    What other exercises for the calfs do you have with free weights?

  20. "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Barbell Standing Leg Calf Raise as shown here:
    http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Gastrocnemius/BBStandingCalfRaise.html
    What other exercises for the calfs do you have with free weights?

    Sled pull. Tire flip.

    I still say you wasted 10 years.

    Hugh

    --
    Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
    chocolate. ("Ladi"😉

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