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  1. I have a mid-late 80's Peugeot lugged steel bike that I would like to
    upgrade:

    http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/dukes909/MVC-027F.jpg

    old Peugeot on photobucket

    The compononets are Shimano - SIS stuff. Wheels are ok but not in the
    greatest shape.

    My question is, can I make this a decent road bike by replacing most of the
    components? I'm not ready to shell out a couple of thousand for a new road
    bike, and like this bike ok (it was free) and it fits well. I've changed
    derailleurs, brakes before so I'm not a complete newbie to the mechanical
    side.

    Can I just tear this thing down and start adding stuff, or are there some
    componentry that won't work? It it even worth it? I hate throwing away
    stuff is why I ask.

    Cheers!
    Dukester

  2. Dukester said:

    I have a mid-late 80's Peugeot lugged steel bike that I would like to
    upgrade:

    http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/dukes909/MVC-027F.jpg

    old Peugeot on photobucket

    The compononets are Shimano - SIS stuff. Wheels are ok but not in the
    greatest shape.

    My question is, can I make this a decent road bike by replacing most of the
    components? I'm not ready to shell out a couple of thousand for a new road
    bike, and like this bike ok (it was free) and it fits well. I've changed
    derailleurs, brakes before so I'm not a complete newbie to the mechanical
    side.

    Can I just tear this thing down and start adding stuff, or are there some
    componentry that won't work? It it even worth it? I hate throwing away
    stuff is why I ask.

    Cheers!
    Dukester

    Might be stuck with the crank and BB.
    Might be stuck with the stem.
    Might be stuck with 27" wheels.

    Other stuff should be replaceable. It's a decent bike but the cost of
    upgrading will approach the cost of something new.

  3. Dukester said:

    I have a mid-late 80's Peugeot lugged steel bike that I would like to
    upgrade:

    http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/dukes909/MVC-027F.jpg

    old Peugeot on photobucket

    The compononets are Shimano - SIS stuff. Wheels are ok but not in the
    greatest shape.

    Well, wheels can be re-built with new rims for just the cost of the rims
    themselves, if they have the same diameter as the original rims. What
    else about these wheels is "not the greatest"?

    Quoted message said:


    My question is, can I make this a decent road bike by replacing most of
    the components? I'm not ready to shell out a couple of thousand for a
    new road bike,

    You will have to shell out nearly that much to outfit this bike with the
    same components as that new bike. Manufacturers do not pay nearly as
    much as end-users for components.

    Unless you have a bunch of components you can use already, or maybe can
    re-use many of those on the bike now, this is as expensive as building a
    new car from parts.

    Quoted message said:

    and like this bike ok (it was free) and it fits well.
    I've changed derailleurs, brakes before so I'm not a complete newbie to
    the mechanical side.

    So, what is wrong with this bike as it is?

    Quoted message said:


    Can I just tear this thing down and start adding stuff, or are there
    some componentry that won't work? It it even worth it? I hate throwing
    away stuff is why I ask.

    The components have to fit on the bike, of course. Yours is probably new
    enough that it would not have French-sized bottom bracket or headset (but
    I may be wrong); other than that you have to be aware of the size options.

    For more cogs in the back, you need to have the frame cold-set to 130mm
    dropout width (I bet yours is 126 now -- you could just stretch it, since
    it is not so far off). You will probably want new integrated
    shifters/brake levers. Your current derailleurs may or may not work,
    depending on what is there now.

    This is a pretty big frame. What size is it? From the bar height, it
    seems you might even want something bigger. Are you sure it fits the way
    you want it to?

    Ask yourself why you are planning to change things around. What are you
    wanting to do with it? If you are racing, you might want a lighter bike
    overall, and a stiffer one, but that does not look like the case. If you
    are doing touring/commuting, as it seems, then it would look like that
    bike fills the bill.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig... You
    _`\(,_ | soon find out the pig likes it!
    (_)/ (_) |

  4. "David L. Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:10:44 -0500, Dukester wrote:

    Well, wheels can be re-built with new rims for just the cost of the rims
    themselves, if they have the same diameter as the original rims. What
    else about these wheels is "not the greatest"?

    Looks like they were painted black originally, and the paint is coming off
    in spotty sections, particularly from the brakes but even on the flat part
    where the spokes meet the hub. I guess it's not a mechanical thing, more
    "looks nasty" kind of thing. They are 700c wheels btw, "Maillard"? hubs.

    Quoted message said:


    So, what is wrong with this bike as it is?

    One thing I'm not crazy about is a "Shimano Biopace" chainring, - it's
    eccentricly shaped. I only get used to it if I ride this bike for many days
    in a row, which I don't do. Another thing is the shifters have these
    lockring things on them to tighten the cable, which never seems to get
    tight, and slips. Not sure if the threads are worn out, haven't looked that
    close.

    It needs a pretty good overhaul, new cables, all the grease in the hubs
    repacked etc. While I've replaced things like this before, I'm not *that*
    mechanically savvy to know whether a derailler should be replaced or a
    better mechanic adjusting it!

    Quoted message said:

    This is a pretty big frame. What size is it? From the bar height, it
    seems you might even want something bigger. Are you sure it fits the way
    you want it to?

    It's a 60cm from the best measurement I can take. My Atlantis is a 61 so
    yeah, it could be a little larger. Here is a pic (so much for anonymity!)
    of me on the bike showing fit (or lack thereof).
    http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/dukes909/MVC-005F.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    Ask yourself why you are planning to change things around. What are you
    wanting to do with it? If you are racing, you might want a lighter bike

    I guess I wanted an inexpensive roady for trying my legs in some races.
    After buying the Atlantis my wife thinks it should be the end all be all of
    bikes forever more for me. Ha!

    Cheers!
    Dukester

  5. Dukester said:

    I have a mid-late 80's Peugeot lugged steel bike that I would like to
    upgrade:

    http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/dukes909/MVC-027F.jpg

    old Peugeot on photobucket

    The compononets are Shimano - SIS stuff. Wheels are o k but not in the
    greatest shape.

    My question is, can I make this a decent road bike by replacing most of the
    components? I'm not ready to shell out a couple of thousand for a new road
    bike, and like this bike ok (it was free) and it fits we ll.

    It looks like a perfectly useful bicycle in good shape and you say it
    fits well. What's the problem?

    This may be an artefact of the photo, but it does look as if the front
    fork is bent back a little, as the result of a head-on collision.
    Perhaps this is why you got it free. If so, check eBay for replacement
    forks at bargain prices. People seem to ride bent-back steel forks for
    ages with no problem, but no one in good consc can recommend that you
    do that.

    For the wheels, get this book: The Bicycle Wheel, by Jobst Brandt of
    this forum. Available on Amazon or from the Avocet website. Then you
    can true and adjust them yourself. Unless the rims are worn out or
    cracking you shouldn't have much problem. If so you can replace them,
    using the procedures described in the book.

    Another poster said you would be stuck with 27" wheels. Those don't
    look like 27", they look like ordinary 700c. That's a very late model
    (1990s?) Peugeot, presumably made in Canada, not France, and all the
    components and threading should be standard.

    Good luck and happy riding.

    

  6. Dukester said:

    I have a mid-late 80's Peugeot lugged steel bike that I would like to
    upgrade:

    http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/dukes909/MVC-027F.jpg

    old Peugeot on photobucket

    The compononets are Shimano - SIS stuff. Wheels are ok but not in the
    greatest shape.

    Is it freewheel or cassette? I'm guessing 7spd freewheel SIS? Nashbar's
    got SIS compatible 6 and 7 speed freewheels on sale now for a tenner.
    They're HG, not like the UG you likely have. Ad a new 6/7 spd HG chain,
    and unless your mechanicals are too worn, it'll shift like buttah.
    Total cost: less than $20usd. That's assuming you're in the states of
    course.

    http://tinyurl.com/zcj26

    I wouldn't race on such kit of course, but for fitness and training,
    old kit is wonderful as replacement bobs are so cheap.

  7. "landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Is it freewheel or cassette? I'm guessing 7spd freewheel SIS? Nashbar's
    got SIS compatible 6 and 7 speed freewheels on sale now for a tenner.
    They're HG, not like the UG you likely have. Ad a new 6/7 spd HG chain,
    and unless your mechanicals are too worn, it'll shift like buttah.
    Total cost: less than $20usd. That's assuming you're in the states of
    course.

    Freewheel 7 speed SIS. What's the difference between HG and UG???

  8. Dukester said:

    "David L. Johnson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What
    else about these wheels is "not the greatest"?

    Looks like they were painted black originally, and the paint is coming off
    in spotty sections, particularly from th e brakes but even on the flat part
    where the spokes meet the hub. I guess it's not a mechanical thing, more
    "looks nasty" kind of thing. They are 700c wheels btw, "Maillard"? hubs.

    Don't worry about them unless:
    -They are out of true or not tight enough. If so, fix up according to
    instructions in "The Bicycle Wheel".
    -The sidewalls are worn out from braking, i.e. so that they are worn so
    thin they are about to fail. Generally that's less than 0.5mm wall
    thickness. Basically, worry if the brakes seem to have made the
    sidewalls concave.
    -They are cracking, especially around the spoke holes. The black colour
    may very well be anodizing, which will tend to cause the rims to crack.

    Quoted message said:

    One thing I'm not crazy about is a "Shimano Biopace" chainring, - it's
    eccentricly shaped.

    Easily changed for a round one. At your bike shop, Nashbar or look on
    eBay- presumably yours uses a 130mm bolt circle diameter ring. They are
    fairly expensive (about $30?) unless you get one on eBay.

    Quoted message said:

    Another thing is the shifters have these
    lockring things on them to tighten the cable, which never seems to get
    tight, and slips. Not sure if the threads are worn out, haven't looked that
    close.

    I think you mean the little wire C or D-clips on the sides of the shift
    levers that are used to tighten the pivot of the shift levers, not the
    cable. Possible solutions:

    -Lubricate (grease) the cables at the bend where they go around the
    bottom bracket. I know, that seems to have nothing to do with it, but
    in fact, if those cable guides are not lubricated, then pedalling
    motion which slightly bends the frame makes those guides act like a
    ratchet, which pulls the cable and shifts for you. Look up
    "autoshifting" on sheldonbrown.com.
    -Either remove the lubrication that they (the shift levers) have or add
    a little bit of the lubrication (ordinary gear oil if you don't
    disassemble them, grease if you do) that they don't have. Some work
    best with, some without. After many shifts they may loosen a little and
    need a little tightening again, but not too often and that's why the
    adjustment is so easy to make.

    Quoted message said:

    It needs a pretty good overhaul, new cables, all the grease in the hubs
    repacked etc. While I've replaced things like th is before, I'm not *that*
    mechanically savvy to know whether a derailler should be replaced or a
    better mechanic adjusting it!

    Unless the derailleur has been bent/twisted in an accident, then it
    just needs adjustment. Read the FAQ for this newsgroup for suggestions
    as to how to do it, and look to <www.sheldonbrown.com>, where you will
    also find a copy of the FAQ.

    Quoted message said:

    It's a 60cm from the best measurement I can take. My Atlantis is a 61 so
    yeah, it could be a little larger. Here is a pic (so much for anonymity!)
    of me on the bike showing fit (or lack th ereof).
    http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/dukes909/MVC-005F.jpg

    This new photograph clearly shows that the bicycle was in a head-on
    collision which bent back the front forks. Likely this is why you got
    it for free.You are a big and heavy rider and so it seems imprudent to
    use them as is, since if they fail during hard riding, game over.
    Replacement forks are easy to find, typically all-chromed, to match any
    colour paint job. Or, for more you could more easily find a carbon
    replacement fork (about $100), which will save you some weight, but you
    have to be careful about abrading or scratching it or having it suffer
    damage in any way. They are very strong but not very hard. Only a few
    people have died from their unexpected failure, out of the very many
    that are using them.

    Quoted message said:

    I guess I wanted an inex pensive roady for trying my legs in some races.
    After buying the Atlantis my wife thinks it should be the end all be all of
    bikes forever more for me. Ha!

    Your wife has a point. However, for fun racing, the bicycle you have is
    plenty, although no one races now without shift levers integrated into
    the brake levers. Nevertheless the best change would be the tires,
    which appear a little slow for even fun racing. Apart from bargain
    sales, some of the best tires at some of the best (relatively speaking
    for the class) prices are the Avocet slicks, for someone of your weight
    perhaps the "Road" model (25mm), no Kevlar, or perhaps the similar 23mm
    version, both available for I think $25 from Harris Cyclery,
    <www.harriscyclery.com>. Or, more widely available and almost the same
    thing and cheaper, IRC Triathlon. I think that one is only available
    now with a Kevlar belt. They've been on sale at Nashbar for a while.

    Oh, one more thing: before racing with that bike, learn the bike
    handling skills you will need. And replace the fork or have it repaired
    by a local framebuilder.
    

  9. "41" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Don't worry about them unless:
    -They are out of true or not tight enough. If so, fix up according to
    instructions in "The Bicycle Wheel".
    -The sidewalls are worn out from braking, i.e. so that they are worn so
    thin they are about to fail. Generally that's less than 0.5mm wall
    thickness. Basically, worry if the brakes seem to have made the
    sidewalls concave.
    -They are cracking, especially around the spoke holes. The black colour
    may very well be anodizing, which will tend to cause the rims to crack.

    I will do a closer inspection of the wheels to look for cracking or if this
    is just the paint coming off.

    Quoted message said:

    I think you mean the little wire C or D-clips on the sides of the shift
    levers that are used to tighten the pivot of the shift levers, not the
    cable. Possible solutions:

    Yes, those are it. I'll go with what you recommend on the cables. Great
    advice!

    Quoted message said:

    This new photograph clearly shows that the bicycle was in a head-on
    collision which bent back the front forks. Likely this is why you got
    it for free.You are a big and heavy rider and so it seems imprudent to

    Curious how you can tell from the photo it was in a collision? I've lined
    this bike up, next to a couple of other bikes, some new, some old, and
    simply can't see how the fork looks much different in position/angle
    compared to the others? How should it look?

  10. good 27" tires are hard to get - 700c aramid ior kevlkar belt toires
    are outasight
    your cones are shot
    repack the headset with new lube and bearings now
    gotta freewheel? at least get a wheels mfg. axle in there when doing
    the repack
    old rear deraillleweur? the old deray has a single pivot and the chain
    drags
    a new shimano rear deray has a double pivot and the chain does not drag
    your centerpull brake pads suck - getta setta koolstop eagles
    nashbar has side pulls on sale - 1000% better - like not having a
    severe migraine
    buy all new parts off season on sale from places like
    http://www.nashbar.com/ or http://www.universalcycles.com/

    and puhlease try a specialized minecow saddle

    this is cheaper than a new bike OF THE SAME PARTS QUALITIES

    butbubut first - on a hot day in the sun, paint your frames insides
    with white rustoleum

  11. Dukester said:

    I have a mid-late 80's Peugeot lugged steel bike that I would like to
    upgrade:


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Can I just tear this thing down and start adding stuff, or are there some
    componentry that won't work? It it even worth it? I hate throwing away
    stuff is why I ask.

    Cheers!
    Dukester

    Hi Dukester,

    I've got a similar Peugeot, of a similar age or perhaps a little older,
    which I was also given for free.
    Since I got it, I've put about 5,000km on it, and done spent more on
    upgrades than could be considered wise, but I really like the bike, and
    the fit and ride are pretty good for me. I think mine is a 58cm.

    On mine:
    the headset is standard threaded 1" (Not the older French standard)
    the BB is standard English thread (Not French/Italian/whatever)
    the seatpost is an odd size - 24.0mm
    the rear droput spacing is 130mm as measured on mine.

    ....yours is probaly the same, but I'd chack before doing any mail
    order.

    I wanted a new seatpost not for extra length, but beacuse I needed one
    to get the saddle angle I wanted, and the crummy chromed steel post
    w/seperate clamp that was on it wouldn't do the job. They are
    available from yellowjersey.org, if you need one, though it looks like
    the one you have is OK.

    I had similar wheels, Maillard Sachs + black rims, but the 6sp. FW gave
    up the ghost, and was replaced with a 6sp. Shimano from the spares box.
    The one piece double ring crankset I replaced with an MTB triple and
    new BB spindle, again from spares.
    The bars on it were very narrow (38cm), so I replaced them with a set
    of Ritchey 44cm bars from the LBS - €20.
    I added new tyres, chain, bar tape, brake blocks and cables, and rode
    my first 200Km Audax and a couple of centuries on it like that.

    Since then, I've done som more upgrades - the rims were were just worn
    out and many of the spoke seized into their nipples, so as well as new
    spokes and rims, I put in new hubs, casette, dt levers and mech and
    went to 10sp.

    These bikes are never going to be light, and are fairly relaxed in the
    handling department, so as regards being a race bike, they might be
    lacking.
    Also, to go to brifters is mucho cash, and these are pretty much de
    rigeur for racing nowadays.
    However, long chainstays mean that you can put bigish panniers on the
    back without catching your heels, which is good, and it does make a
    great commuting bike. It has stood me well for century/club
    rides/audax work, but I suppose you have your Rivendell for that.

    I've spent about €600 on mine now, which would be enough to buy a
    very budget "race" bike. OTOH, it fits me (and not many bikes do), I
    like it, and all the parts are transferable to a new frame if I decide
    to do that.
    I can then build this frame back up with the parts I took off as a hack
    bike.

    In your case, regardless of how you do it up, it'll probably be closer
    in style to what your Atlantis is, rather than the race bike you want.

    hth,

    bookieb

  12. bookieb said:
    Dukester said:

    I have a mid-late 80's Peugeot lugged steel bike that I would like to
    upgrade:


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    bookieb

    Incidentally, if those are the orignal alloy bars (obviously, I can't
    tell from the photos) and stem (seems to be the same as was on my
    bike), they've reached an age where perhaps they should be replaced in
    case fatigue/corrosion has set in. It looks like you're at or near the
    height limit of the stem, so it might be an opportunity to put in
    something with more rise.

    regards,

    bookieb.

  13. Group: rec.bicycles.tech
    Date: Wed, Jul 12, 2006, 1:28pm (EDT-3)
    From: [email hidden] (Diablo Scott)

    Quoted message said:

    Might be stuck with the crank and BB.

    Not necessarilly, if you can find the proper size, and thread retainers
    a cartridge BB set might be your ticket. Try Phil Wood they like the
    retro stuff!

    Quoted message said:

    Might be stuck with the stem.

    Quoted message said:

    Might be stuck with 27" wheels.

    Why? A 700c wheel is only a half inch smaller. This would increase the
    necessary length of your brake arms by only 1/4" (6mm) If you can't find
    a long reach brake caliper, then you might try Third Hand/Loose screws
    for something older.

    if your brakes are Canti's (not likely) the mounting bosses can be moved
    (That's what I did to my '87 Voyager). This is one of the benefits of a
    steel frame.

    Quoted message said:

    Other stuff should be replaceable. It's a
    decent bike but the cost of upgrading will
    approach the cost of something new.

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  14. yeah 700 and english threads. amazing grace...
    the rebuild i describe took 8 years, 3.5 chainrings, over 30K+ miles
    fersure.
    whew. i am now on the final leg-replacing the cone and ball BB with a
    cartridge and deore octagon splined CR.
    what came down was i rebuilt as bikes were replaced(by others) and i
    bought used ten speed parts then used 8 speed parts as the others
    graded upward. lucky dude!
    one problem to consider - replcing parts with the same type OLD parts
    when the OLD parts take OLD tools (which you buy - there's a bike tool
    guy in ashland, oregon with an excellent paper catalog) so if you go
    directly to square plus one and buy the new tools for the new style
    parts you are wayyyyyyyyyyy ahead of being backwards.

  15. Chris Z The Wheelman said:


    Why? A 700c wheel is only a half inch smaller. This would increase the
    necessary length of your brake arms by only 1/4" (6mm) If you can't find
    a long reach brake caliper, then you might try Third Hand/Loose screws
    for something older.

    Think it's closer to 4mm from what I remember. The last two bikes with
    standard reach brakes that I switched to 700c did it w/o a hiccup.
    Seems they were designed this way in case you wanted to run a set of
    sew-ups.

    Nashbar's got their long reach brakes (56mm from center of bolt to
    center of rim) on sale for $20. They're rebranded Tektros. I ordered a
    set and will see if I can get them mounted up on a previously nutted
    setup. Worth a try for the price. I think Shimano's standard/long reach
    brakes are just a mm more @57mm, if anybody needed to know that.

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