Need help for a new frame pump.

e-doc said:

I had a Crank Bros but it was pissing me off yesterday. I have always forund that pump hard to use. I made it an offering to the cycling gods.

Get a co2 multi tool like the blackburn. No need to haul a pump around with you any more. Inflators are easier to use than real small minipumps, and fit in your shirt. The only thing a minipump is good for is to swat at a chasing dog. If your tires are properly inflated at the start of the ride and you are riding on good tires than a flat should be a very rare occasion. Get a good floor pump with an accurate guage.

What valve?

I recently bought a GIYO Air Supply Frame Pump specific to presta valves. I never thought a non-floor-pump could be so good. It is designed to take the valve, not at the end, but 3 inches up the barrel, making it really easy to hold in place. Easy pumping too, and its all alloy construction is solid as...

Advertised as a 160psi pump, I was able to put 80psi in it very quicky.The left end is sprung and applies pressure to stay in the frame. When in use, the end slides down and twists to expose the hole the presta valve goes in... Very cool...

e-doc said:

I had a Crank Bros but it was pissing me off yesterday. I have always forund that pump hard to use. I made it an offering to the cycling gods.

always had good luck with my specialized road tool. thin, light, works wonders on dogs. i have however gone to a co2 recently, yup, im lazy.

in 34 years of cycling i never found anything that would beat a silca "impero" frame pump. they could blast a dog's head and still get my sew-ups up to 120 psi. i don'y know if they are still sold in the states, but i always had good luck with them.

i have a CO2 inflator in the tire bag, but was still paranoid about not carrying a pump. i'm old-school and i could just picture myself sitting by the roadside as my cartridge spewed and leaked instead of filling the newly changed tire.

so...i called up colorado cyclist and got one of these: coloradocyclist.comproductdisplay2 v2.cfmOpen ↗

yeah, i know it's not a full-size frame pump, but at 55 grams and just over 6" long, it's an insurance policy i can stash in a jersey pocket...and...it's CARBON FIBRE! perfect for bragging about whenever your buddy starts talking about his helium-filled tires and such.

er I"ve never seen a CO2 inflator before. I just ordered a blackburn mini pump as shown below. Should I bother getting a CO2 inflator or should a person have "one or the other" 😄
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its specs are :
High performance - low weight carbon fibre mini pump from Blackburn. Carbon fibre wrap barrel keeps weight to a minimum and looks awesome.
Capable of pumping up to 160 psi / 11.2 bar if you are!
Short and compact with an overall length of 28 cm.
Supplied with frame mounted SideClip so you never have to forget your pump.
PowerGrip pivoting handle and pump head are ergonomically shaped for comfort.
Soft rubber In-moulded sections on the handle and pump head for excellent grip to aid fast pumping.
Red anodised shaft for low friction operation.
Hand polished solid aluminium thumb lock offers maximum leverage for a secure fit onto valve.
Convertible Schraeder / Presta head to suit all valves.
No-quibble lifetime warranty.

wcngu1 said:

er I"ve never seen a CO2 inflator before. I just ordered a blackburn mini pump as shown below. Should I bother getting a CO2 inflator or should a person have "one or the other" 😄
its specs are :
High performance - low weight carbon fibre mini pump from Blackburn. Carbon fibre wrap barrel keeps weight to a minimum and looks awesome.
Capable of pumping up to 160 psi / 11.2 bar if you are!
Short and compact with an overall length of 28 cm.
Supplied with frame mounted SideClip so you never have to forget your pump.
PowerGrip pivoting handle and pump head are ergonomically shaped for comfort.
Soft rubber In-moulded sections on the handle and pump head for excellent grip to aid fast pumping.
Red anodised shaft for low friction operation.
Hand polished solid aluminium thumb lock offers maximum leverage for a secure fit onto valve.
Convertible Schraeder / Presta head to suit all valves.
No-quibble lifetime warranty.

A co2 inflator, like the new blackburn, combines a mini tool, tire lever, and your inflation all in one lightweight package about 10cm long and only a few grams. You can carry a few extra cartriges, but a 12 or 16 gram cartrige, will give your tires more pressure 120+ than you will ever need. Some people have a mini tool plus inflator, but the new one is great

Its not either or but I don't see the advantages of using a minipump because you can bend your valve stem too easily when you are pumping like mad and get inpatient. So you are carrying something heavier that doesn't work as well, and has a greater potential to break the valve, which always sucks.

kopride said:

A co2 inflator, like the new blackburn, combines a mini tool, tire lever, and your inflation all in one lightweight package about 10cm long and only a few grams. You can carry a few extra cartriges, but a 12 or 16 gram cartrige, will give your tires more pressure 120+ than you will ever need. Some people have a mini tool plus inflator, but the new one is great

Its not either or but I don't see the advantages of using a minipump because you can bend your valve stem too easily when you are pumping like mad and get inpatient. So you are carrying something heavier that doesn't work as well, and has a greater potential to break the valve, which always sucks.

damnit I bought my pump for nothing 🙁 I didn't even know CO2 pumps exist andI"m coming back to riding after a 2 year break. Where is a good place to get the Blackburn co2 inflator at a good price?

My husband and I both carry Zefal frame pumps - mine is a new Zefal-HPX, his is 20 years old and still works fine. In fact he had to deploy it by the roadside just a few hours ago.

The best pumps are the true frame pumps, Silca or Zefal. That said, we all seem to be concerned by looks rather than function, so I now ride with an SKS Weseman mini-pump that does the job when required (it will pump my tire to around 80psi, although it does wear you out a bit).

Never tried CO2 and have no desire to.

wcngu1 said:

damnit I bought my pump for nothing 🙁 I didn't even know CO2 pumps exist andI"m coming back to riding after a 2 year break. Where is a good place to get the Blackburn co2 inflator at a good price?

They are cheap. I got mine (Airfix) at my LBS for about 40 bucks. The inflator specific (w/o multi tool) models are cheaper ($20).

kopride said:

They are cheap. I got mine (Airfix) at my LBS for about 40 bucks. The inflator specific (w/o multi tool) models are cheaper ($20).

$40 ? You must be from america haha they dont' have the blackburn airfix in australia. I have to consider the postage cost lol. I got my blackburn air stick from total cycling :o

Powerful Pete said:

That said, we all seem to be concerned by looks rather than function...

Yup. Fashion over common sense. Welcome to the modern world. I think the best frame pump is the Zefal. I never had good luck with the Silcas. I own a Zefal Hpx, but I don't really use it. Instead I use a combination of mini pump and/or CO2, the combination of which changes depending on whether I am training solo or in a group.

The speed of CO2 is nice for group rides. In all other situations a full sized frame pump is superior and I always feel stupid for not having one when fixing a flat--not enough to make me carry one, though. So what about the weight? You can tie a brick to your frame while training and it does not matter. The real reason people don't use frame pumps is because of looks. They don't want a frame pump to spoil the clean lines of their pretty bike, so they are willing to put up with crappy mini pumps. Unfortunately, I have fallen for that sort of thinking and my Zefal is gathering dust.

Yup. Fashion over common sense.

well, in defense of the CO2 inflators and mini-pumps i will say this:

'modern' bikes have had double bottles for years now and the only secure place i ever found to carry a silca frame pump securely was on the seat mast.

i've seen too many frame pumps dislodged by bumps from under top tubes, only to go flying get run over. and those velcro straps always seemed like such a ugly solution to the horizontal mounting position's security issue.

the inflators and mini-pumps stow away in a small seat bag or jersey pocket, as much an improvement in storage security as looks. myself, i always thought a chrome silca really set off the red paint on my italian beauties! even those old campy umbrella pump mounts are cool on an old columbus classic.

hmmm? perhaps a new record level carbon fibre umbrella clip from campy with a chrome weave carbon frame pump from silca? i'm good for a few of them!

CO2 inflators hmm dont know much about them.. What do you do if you run out of bottles on ride? Great and fast inflating for Racing I geuss especially on fat MTB tube.

Everyday MTB ride use I just use a minipump think it was like $25, does the job. I can't even remember what brand it is. I was told to make sure to get a two way pump (pumps on inward and outward stroke) otherwise it takes twice the time to inflate. Also has Presta and Schraeder valves and psi gauge.

It clips onto frame under the bottle mount. Sure it has a velcro strap with the clip mount. My pump is hanging on with just the bottom clip and velcro hasn't come off at all despite the thrashing and bumping I give the bike doing downhill tech rides.

On my roadie I got an old zefal that mounts the length of the top bar.

Fashion/Looks? function for me!!! MTBikers don't care about having a pretty bike!! hehe :p I focus on riding the bike not looking at it, does anyone really care if the pump doesn't match your bike or socks like when you need it in an emergency? sheesh. 🙂🙂

my 0.02 dollars worth!

I couldnt find anywhere that didnt look retarded (like on my seat stay) to mount a frame pump on my fat tube CF bike, so I carry the Blackburn pump pictured above in my jersey. I thought for sure it would fall out, but once riding, the punp never bothers or concerns me. I had a cheap, but neat set-up of the pump in its cradle, attached to a reflector mount, attached to my seat post and the pump sat right behind my seat, but all that plastic just wasnt rigid enough and the mount would shift around during rides, especially if I got out of the saddle to soften a hit on rough pavement.

Rockslayer said:

CO2 inflators hmm dont know much about them..

Fashion/Looks? function for me!!! MTBikers don't care about having a pretty bike!! hehe :p I focus on riding the bike not looking at it, does anyone really care if the pump doesn't match your bike or socks like when you need it in an emergency

my 0.02 dollars worth!

Thats what these forums are about, your 0.02 cents.

As for me, I focus on riding and having a cool bike. I take pride in my ride, and the CO2 inflaters are the best thing to come around since 'Ergo shifting.

I normally carry two co2 bottles, on the off chance I may need it, and guess what? I did one day, on a 50 mile ride where I flatted twice. The co2 bottles bailed me out quick time on both accounts, but when I got within 5 miles of home, I flatted yet again on the same tire (it was worn out). By that time, I was tired of messing with flats, and flipped out my cell phone and called wife with e-vac instructions.

I love technology 🙂

Wino Ryder said:

Thats what these forums are about, your 0.02 cents.

As for me, I focus on riding and having a cool bike. I take pride in my ride, and the CO2 inflaters are the best thing to come around since 'Ergo shifting.

I normally carry two co2 bottles, on the off chance I may need it, and guess what? I did one day, on a 50 mile ride where I flatted twice. The co2 bottles bailed me out quick time on both accounts, but when I got within 5 miles of home, I flatted yet again on the same tire (it was worn out). By that time, I was tired of messing with flats, and flipped out my cell phone and called wife with e-vac instructions.

I love technology 🙂

Where do you ride? Glassland? Anyway, if you carry the threadless co2s, you can get refills at any Wal-mart or sporting goods store that stocks bb guns.

Also, if you are going to use co2's, always refill yur tires with a pump when you get back, because co2 molecules are smaller than air and will leak faster.