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  1. A new friend is coming to dinner on Thursday. As always, I want this
    meal to be relatively informal and normal while still impressing the
    hell out of her. As always, I've asked if she has dietary restrictions.
    She said she's an omnivore who tries to eat relatively healthy
    (meaning that she's not going to stuff herself with rich food though a
    small rich
    dessert or one rich side dish would be fine). She doesn't like
    shellfish (meaning oysters and shrimp), raw onions or raw peppers.

    With our weather so hot, I thought cold gazpacho would be impressive as
    something people don't make for themselves but still normal and healthy,
    but then I remembered the no raw onions restriction and nixed that idea.
    (Unless someone has tried it with no onions or with cooked onions and
    can recommend that route.) Then I thought of cold cucumber soup, but
    Jim made yeching noises when I suggested it. I've never been overly
    impressed with vichyssoise myself (cold potato soup) as it has always
    seemed bland to me. Cold fruit soups have always seemed like dessert to
    me. Any ideas? Of course, I don't have to serve a cold soup as a first
    course. I just liked the idea.

    Perhaps a quinoa salad? I could put in minced carrot, celery, cilantro,
    snow peas, cucumber and zucchini with a sesame dressing. Normally I'd
    put a little scallions and red bell pepper in it too, but I could leave
    them out.

    I need ideas for a main course too. I don't want to cook out barbecue
    style. Maybe I could broil marinated chicken, serve corn on the cob and
    put some marinated mushrooms, eggplant, tomatoes and zucchini on skewers
    and broil them too. Thoughts?

    Dessert should be easy. I've posted the recipe for raspberry fool with
    whipped cream and creme anglaise before. I'm doing that though our
    raspberries aren't quite ready. I may use frozen raspberries and
    blueberries, or I may use fresh strawberries.

    --Lia

  2. Here's a link to some chilled soups:

    http://www.cdkitchen.com/recipes/cat/366/0.shtml

  3. "Julia Altshuler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    With our weather so hot, I thought cold gazpacho would be impressive as
    something people don't make for themselves but still normal and healthy,
    but then I remembered the no raw onions restriction and nixed that idea.
    (Unless someone has tried it with no onions or with cooked onions and
    can recommend that route.) Then I thought of cold cucumber soup, but
    Jim made yeching noises when I suggested it. I've never been overly
    impressed with vichyssoise myself (cold potato soup) as it has always
    seemed bland to me. Cold fruit soups have always seemed like dessert to
    me. Any ideas? Of course, I don't have to serve a cold soup as a first
    course. I just liked the idea.

    See below from Epicurious - one of my facvorite soups...

    Dimitri

    VICHYSSOISE

    2 cups finely diced raw potatoes
    4 tablespoons butter
    6 leeks, cleaned and cut into 1 inch pieces
    3 cups chicken bouillon
    1 teaspoon salt
    1/2 teaspoon freshy ground black pepper
    a dash of nutmeg
    11/2 to 2 cups sour cream or heavy cream
    Chopped chives

    Cook the potatoes in salted water to cover until just tender. Melt the butter in
    a skillet and cool the leeks gently, tossing them lightly, for a few minutes.
    Add the chicken bouillon and bring to a boil. Lower the heat and simmer the
    leeks until tender. Add the potatoes to the leeks and the broth and season to
    taste with salt, papper and nutmeg. Put this mixture in the blender (you will
    need to blend it in two lots) and blend for 1 minute, or until smooth. Chill.
    When ready to serve, mix in sour cream or heavy cream. Garnish with chopped
    chives.

    Serves 6.

    House & Garden

    September 1962

    ZUCCHINI VICHYSSOISE

    Zucchini gives a summery twist to the classic leek-and-potato soup; this new
    take on an old favorite is served at Quisiana.

    3 tablespoons butter
    1 1/2 pound large leeks (white and pale green parts only), thinly sliced (about
    2 1/2 cups)
    8 garlic cloves, chopped
    1 1/2 pounds Yukon Gold potatoes, peeled, cut into 2-inch pieces
    1 pound zucchini, cut into 1-inch rounds
    4 1/2 cups (or more) canned low-salt chicken broth
    2 cups half and half
    Chopped fresh chives

    Melt butter in heavy large pot over medium heat. Add leeks and garlic; sauté
    until tender, about 6 minutes. Add potatoes and zucchini; sauté 5 minutes. Add 4
    1/2 cups broth and bring to a boil. Reduce heat and simmer until potatoes are
    tender, about 15 minutes. Cool 30 minutes.
    Working in batches, puree soup in blender. Transfer soup to large bowl. Mix in
    half and half. Season to taste with salt and pepper. Cover and refrigerate until
    cold, about 4 hours. (Can be made 2 days ahead. Keep refrigerated. Before
    serving, thin with additional broth, if necessary.)
    Ladle soup into bowl. Sprinkle with chives and serve.

    Makes 8 servings.

    Bon Appétit

    August 2002
    chef Laurie Smith

    Quisiana, Center Lovell, ME

  4. Julia Altshuler said:
    Quoted message said:


    With our weather so hot, I thought cold gazpacho would be impressive
    as something people don't make for themselves but still normal and
    healthy, but then I remembered the no raw onions restriction and
    nixed that idea.

    Here is a gazpacho made without onions. It is very nice and refreshing, and
    haven't found anyone who hasn't liked it yet.

    Gazpacho Andaluz - 4-6 servings
    Chef Stef George

    1 slice sourdough bread, crusts removed ( I use any substantial bread I have
    on hand.. not the wonderbread types)
    1 large cucumber, peeled, seeded and chopped
    2 lbs very ripe tomatoes, chopped (I have used the canned)
    1 clove garlic, peeled and chopped
    1 Tbsp sherry vinegar (red wine vinegar works as well)
    1/2 cup extra virgin olive oil
    salt to taste

    Garnishes : finely diced green pepper, cucumber, tomato, red onion, small
    croutons

    Soak bread in water for 30 minutes. Drain and squeeze out excess water.

    In a blender, purée bread, cucumber, tomato, garlic, vinegar, and salt to
    taste.
    (I wait to do that salt)

    Add the oil in a slow stream with the blender running to allow for
    emulsification.

    This is when I add the salt to taste. At this time you can also add water
    to thin to a soup consistency if necessary. I haven't found this necessary
    when I use the canned tomatoes with the juice.

    Strain through a coarse sieve, pressing as much of the pulp through as
    possible. Chill.

    Adjust seasoning before serving.

    Serve with garnishes on the side.

    Enjoy!

    Debbie

  5. allrecipes.com has lots of cold soup recipes as well.

    http://soup.allrecipes.com/directory/1770.asp

    A google search turned up a lot of sites as well.

    Debbie

  6. Julia said:

    With our weather so hot, I thought cold gazpacho would be impressive as
    something people don't make for themselves but still normal and healthy,
    but then I remembered the no raw onions restriction and nixed that idea.
    (Unless someone has tried it with no onions or with cooked onions and
    can recommend that route.) Then I thought of cold cucumber soup, but
    Jim made yeching noises when I suggested it. I've never been overly
    impressed with vichyssoise myself (cold potato soup) as it has always
    seemed bland to me. Cold fruit soups have always seemed like dessert to
    me. Any ideas? Of course, I don't have to serve a cold soup as a first
    course. I just liked the idea.

    The onion restriction really cuts out a lot of contenders. Here are a couple
    of good recipes for chilled soup which don't contain onions:

    Ajo Blanco con Uvas
    (White Garlic Soup with Grapes, from _The Foods and Wines of Spain_)

    4 oz blanched almonds
    2 cloves garlic, peeled
    1 1/2 teaspoons salt
    4 slices day-old bread, crusts removed
    6 tablespoons olive oil
    3 tablespoons red wine vinegar
    Garlic croutons (bread sautéed in butter and garlic)
    4 cups ice water
    seedless green grapes, peeled, about 6 per portion
    toasted sliced almonds

    Method:

    Blend the almonds, garlic and salt in a food processor until the almonds are
    finely ground. Soak the bread in cold water and squeeze to extract most of
    the moisture.

    With the motor running, gradually add the bread to the almond mixture.
    Leaving the motor running, pour in the oil in a thin stream, scraping any
    residue from the side as you go. Add the vinegar in a similar fashion. Beat
    in one cup of the ice water. Transfer the soup to a large bowl and stir in
    the remaining 3 cups of ice water. Add more salt and vinegar if desired.
    Strain, pressing with the back of a spoon to extract as much liquid as
    possible. chill.

    Serve very cold, garnished with the croutons, grapes, and almonds (the
    grapes are not merely decorative; they are essential to the soup's flavor).
    Serve with a medium-dry white wine such as Viña Esmeralda.

    Chilled Lettuce and Pea Soup (from _A Celebration of Soups_)

    4 tablespoons butter
    4 medium-sized onions, peeled and chopped
    1 large head iceberg lettuce or 3 heads Boston lettuce, rinsed, trimmed, and
    shredded
    1 1/4 pounds peas, shelled
    6 cups chicken stock
    3 bay leaves
    3 whole cloves
    2 teaspoons sugar
    Salt
    White pepper
    Chopped fresh mint

    In a soup kettle heat the butter over medium-low heat and cook the onions
    until translucent.

    Add the next seven ingredients. Bring the liquid to a boil, reduce the heat,
    and simmer the vegetables, covered, for 45 minutes.

    Blend the mixture (either in a blender or with an immersion blender in the
    pot) until it is smooth.

    Season the soup with salt and white pepper. Chill it for at least 4 hours.
    Before serving, taste and re-season if necessary. Serve garnished with mint.

    BOB'S NOTES:

    1. This makes about a half-gallon of soup; I generally cut the recipe by a
    factor of three.

    2. You might not need the sugar. Taste the soup before adding it and don't
    add it if you think it might make the soup too sweet.

    3. Do try to use white pepper rather than black pepper; it makes a
    difference.

    4. Instead of doing the mint garnish, you could put a dollop of yogurt, sour
    cream, or creme fraiche on top of the soup. I've been known to pour a couple
    tablespoons of buttermilk on top instead and sprinkle with crumbled bacon.

    I'll address the salad and main course concerns in a different post.

    Bob

  7. Julia Altshuler said:

    A new friend is coming to dinner on Thursday. As always, I want this
    meal to be relatively informal and normal while still impressing the
    hell out of her.

    Any ideas?

    Borchst with sour cream is prettier but I'm partial to shav (sour grass
    soup - sorrel). I see no reason you can't serve both. Mix either with
    sour cream, and have hard cooked egg slices, diced seeded cukes, and
    dill as garnishes

    http://www.manischewitz.com/docs/man_62.shtml

    Sheldon

  8. Julia said:

    Perhaps a quinoa salad? I could put in minced carrot, celery, cilantro,
    snow peas, cucumber and zucchini with a sesame dressing. Normally I'd
    put a little scallions and red bell pepper in it too, but I could leave
    them out.

    Personally, I think couscous, millet, or bulgur would work better than
    quinoa as a salad. (That's just my personal preference.)

    I'd also want to ensure that the salad matched with the soup. Since you like
    the idea of a cold soup, maybe you can find one which has some Asian or
    Middle-Eastern flavor notes which could play off well against the sesame
    dressing you contemplate for the salad. Or you could choose a soup recipe
    first, and then tailor the salad flavors to complement the soup flavors.

    Quoted message said:

    I need ideas for a main course too. I don't want to cook out barbecue
    style. Maybe I could broil marinated chicken, serve corn on the cob and
    put some marinated mushrooms, eggplant, tomatoes and zucchini on skewers
    and broil them too. Thoughts?

    Hrm. This seems like a good time for teriyaki chicken, pork, or beef: Then
    you could have a grain salad as mentioned above, or any of the cold Asian
    noodle salads discussed here in the past. Teriyaki vegetable skewers are
    usually a hit, provided you've got a good teriyaki sauce. Finally, and I
    admit that I'm improvising wildly here, for a cold soup, how about cold
    consommé with enoki mushrooms and a few drops of soy and lemon juice?

    There are half-a-dozen menus clamoring for attention in my head, but I
    *have* to go to bed now. So here's an Iron-Chef kind of exercise: Think of
    the following cuisines, and how your menu template (cold soup, salad, main
    dish, side dish, and dessert) can be met using elements either from one
    cuisine at a time, or how to harmoniously fuse more than one cuisine:

    Spanish, Moroccan, Lebanese, Italian, Neo-Scandinavian, New American,
    Indian, Japanese

    Bob sleep now. *thud*nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.....

  9. "Debbie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    allrecipes.com has lots of cold soup recipes as well.

    http://soup.allrecipes.com/directory/1770.asp

    Swan's Summer Soup (with tomatoes, corn and avocado) on allrecipes.com
    sounds really good. No onions! I will try that when our tomatoes come
    in.

    I browsed the summer soup recipes on epicurious.com and came across a
    lot of recipes (search using cold or chilled soup). Chilled Carrot Soup
    with Cumin and Lime got a lot of great reviews -- I plan to try it soon.
    It uses leeks, but they get pureed into the soup. Don't know if that's
    acceptable. Chilled Red Pepper Soup with Croutons and Basil looks good,
    too -- the peppers are roasted and are pureed w/ a sauteed onion.

    Chris

  10. "Bob" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Julia wrote:

    There are half-a-dozen menus clamoring for attention in my head, but I
    *have* to go to bed now. So here's an Iron-Chef kind of exercise:
    Think of
    the following cuisines, and how your menu template (cold soup, salad,
    main
    dish, side dish, and dessert) can be met using elements either from
    one
    cuisine at a time, or how to harmoniously fuse more than one cuisine:

    Spanish, Moroccan, Lebanese, Italian, Neo-Scandinavian, New American,
    Indian, Japanese

    Bob sleep now.
    *thud*nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.....


    Good thing I didn't read this last night! I would have been up until
    dawn trying to come up with a Neo-Scandanavian menu. Fun exercise,
    though!

    Chris

  11. Thanks for the ideas so far. For the cold soup, I've decided on
    carrot-ginger. (I really like the white garlic soup idea, but I think
    I'll try that some time when I don't have a guest coming over. It looks
    easy, but I know not to experiment at the critical moment.) For the
    salad, I'm now undecided between quinoa and noodle salad. I've been
    substituting quinoa for millet, couscous or bulgur for so long that I
    forget that it's a little unusual. Quinoa works well because it holds
    its shape and is just unusual enough but not so weird that people aren't
    willing to try it. (And back from my health food days, I like it
    because wheat is invariably somewhere else on the menu, and the health
    foodies insist on variety.) Bob makes a good point about flavors
    matching so the ginger soup and sesame dressing should work.

    I think I'm set on the vegetable skewers idea too and some sort of
    chicken. Even relatively plain work.

    Keep the ideas coming even if they're in opposition to what I just wrote.

    --Lia

  12. "Julia Altshuler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the ideas so far. For the cold soup, I've decided on
    carrot-ginger.

    That sounds good -- I'm sure you'll report on the soup and your meal,
    and I look forward to hearing how it goes.

    Quoted message said:

    For the
    salad, I'm now undecided between quinoa and noodle salad. I've been
    substituting quinoa for millet, couscous or bulgur for so long that I
    forget that it's a little unusual.

    I haven't made quinoa, but recently had a quinoa-orzo salad that was
    really good. It wasn't too quinoa-y. It had chopped red bell pepper,
    celery, green onions, cucumbers, craisins, feta cheese and pine nuts,
    with a slightly sweet lemon/olive oil dressing. Sounds downright weird,
    but it was delicious and I couldn't stop eating it. We had it w/ cold
    pasta w/ cilantro pesto and a very herbal grilled chicken. Not that
    this would work w/ your meal -- just reminiscing.

    Chris

  13. Julia Altshuler said:

    With our weather so hot, I thought cold gazpacho would be impressive as
    something people don't make for themselves but still normal and healthy,
    but then I remembered the no raw onions restriction and nixed that idea.
    (Unless someone has tried it with no onions or with cooked onions and
    can recommend that route.) Then I thought of cold cucumber soup, but
    Jim made yeching noises when I suggested it. I've never been overly
    impressed with vichyssoise myself (cold potato soup) as it has always
    seemed bland to me. Cold fruit soups have always seemed like dessert to
    me. Any ideas? Of course, I don't have to serve a cold soup as a first
    course. I just liked the idea.

    Try pureeing chilled cooked carrots with some cream, salt, pepper, and a
    bit of ginger. I really like this cold soup.

    serene

  14. serene said:

    Try pureeing chilled cooked carrots with some cream, salt, pepper, and a
    bit of ginger. I really like this cold soup.

    Funny you should suggest this as that's just what I did last night
    before reading your post this morning. (I wanted the soup to have time
    to chill before serving tonight.)

    While still summertime hot, we now have rain which has brought down the
    temperature a little so I'm not as interested in a cool-cool menu. The
    chilled soup is still good, but now I'm thinking just a green salad and
    coq au vin instead of marinated barbecued chicken.

    --Lia

  15. Chris said:

    That sounds good -- I'm sure you'll report on the soup and your meal,
    and I look forward to hearing how it goes.

    Here's the report. The first course was a carrot-ginger soup. I
    browned an onion (1 onion, fist sized, chopped), added 1# carrots
    (peeled and rough chopped, about 3 cups) and enough water just to cover
    and boiled until tender. I then pureed the whole thing in the blender.
    When the blender blades wouldn't move because the mixture was too
    thick, I added cream and milk (maybe 1/2 cup cream and 1 cup milk. I
    really meant to measure so I could tell you guys, but I didn't at that
    point.) I also added a good Tablespoon of grated ginger (I keep mine
    preserved in sherry in the fridge.) I let it cool overnight. My guest
    pronounced it good and worried that it might be too rich for her because
    it was so thick. I reassured her that the thickness was only due to
    using lots of carrots and less liquid. Perhaps I could have thinned it
    out a little more. The flavor was very good.

    The second course was coq au vin. I normally use the recipe in Joy of
    Cooking. This time I didn't add the carrots but used celery instead and
    some shiitake mushrooms in addition to the button ones. It didn't come
    out as well as it has in the past. That may have been because of the
    quality of the wine. I have to figure out the right wine to cook with
    that doesn't cost too much but holds its taste after longer simmering.

    Dessert was fabulous. We had raspberries from our own garden, good
    strawberries, blueberries and cherries. She said she feels most
    comfortable when she has something to do to help so I put her to work
    pitting cherries. I'd said I'd make raspberry fool but changed my mind
    at the last minute and went with berries in sabayon sauce instead.
    That's 4 egg yolks and 1/3 cup sugar whipped together in the top of a
    double boiler for several minutes, then 3/4 cup champagne added while
    whipping for another 10 minutes. We took turns whipping. It came out
    great. The quality of the fruit was excellent, and the sauce added to
    the flavor and complemented instead of overpowering. Somehow the
    amounts worked out right too with most of the dessert just being the
    excellent fruit and only a little sauce.

    This is a new friend I met at a party last December. The only trouble
    with the evening is that she came over to help me with a webpage. I've
    never had one and know nothing about how much they're supposed to cost.
    The only thing I know about webpages is that I've looked at a few.
    She showed me her other customers' pages, and I'm not sure I liked them
    all that well. So I have to figure out what I think of her prices and
    pages. I'd say the evening went well.

    --Lia

  16. On Thu 07 Jul 2005 06:56:20p, Julia Altshuler wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    Chris said:

    That sounds good -- I'm sure you'll report on the soup and your meal,
    and I look forward to hearing how it goes.

    Here's the report. The first course was a carrot-ginger soup. I
    browned an onion (1 onion, fist sized, chopped), added 1# carrots
    (peeled and rough chopped, about 3 cups) and enough water just to cover
    and boiled until tender. I then pureed the whole thing in the blender.
    When the blender blades wouldn't move because the mixture was too
    thick, I added cream and milk (maybe 1/2 cup cream and 1 cup milk. I
    really meant to measure so I could tell you guys, but I didn't at that
    point.) I also added a good Tablespoon of grated ginger (I keep mine
    preserved in sherry in the fridge.) I let it cool overnight. My guest
    pronounced it good and worried that it might be too rich for her because
    it was so thick. I reassured her that the thickness was only due to
    using lots of carrots and less liquid. Perhaps I could have thinned it
    out a little more. The flavor was very good.

    The second course was coq au vin. I normally use the recipe in Joy of
    Cooking. This time I didn't add the carrots but used celery instead and
    some shiitake mushrooms in addition to the button ones. It didn't come
    out as well as it has in the past. That may have been because of the
    quality of the wine. I have to figure out the right wine to cook with
    that doesn't cost too much but holds its taste after longer simmering.

    Dessert was fabulous. We had raspberries from our own garden, good
    strawberries, blueberries and cherries. She said she feels most
    comfortable when she has something to do to help so I put her to work
    pitting cherries. I'd said I'd make raspberry fool but changed my mind
    at the last minute and went with berries in sabayon sauce instead.
    That's 4 egg yolks and 1/3 cup sugar whipped together in the top of a
    double boiler for several minutes, then 3/4 cup champagne added while
    whipping for another 10 minutes. We took turns whipping. It came out
    great. The quality of the fruit was excellent, and the sauce added to
    the flavor and complemented instead of overpowering. Somehow the
    amounts worked out right too with most of the dessert just being the
    excellent fruit and only a little sauce.

    This is a new friend I met at a party last December. The only trouble
    with the evening is that she came over to help me with a webpage. I've
    never had one and know nothing about how much they're supposed to cost.
    The only thing I know about webpages is that I've looked at a few.
    She showed me her other customers' pages, and I'm not sure I liked them
    all that well. So I have to figure out what I think of her prices and
    pages. I'd say the evening went well.

    --Lia

    Lia, designing a web page is not all that difficult, especially for someone
    who does it professionally. She should have designed a webpage for you for
    free after that dinner! Sounds wonderful!!!

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

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  17. Wayne Boatwright said:

    Lia, designing a web page is not all that difficult, especially for someone
    who does it professionally. She should have designed a webpage for you for
    free after that dinner! Sounds wonderful!!!

    You hit on exactly the sticky problem I've been mulling over all day. I
    would never charge a friend for dinner in my own home. Cooking a good
    meal is fun and isn't all that difficult once you know how, but it does
    take learning how to do. The same is true for webpages. Jim keeps
    telling me I should learn to do the webpage for myself. On the one
    hand, web design is a professional service one should expect to be paid
    for. On the other hand, like cooking, it is the sort of thing one could
    do as a favor for a friend once you have the know-how. I'm sure she's
    not overcharging me, but she did meet me briefly at a party, volunteer
    that she'd like to do the webpage for me out of the blue, then bring up
    the price after she'd eaten the home-cooked meal. I have mixed feelings
    about all of this.

    --Lia

  18. On Fri 08 Jul 2005 03:58:04p, Julia Altshuler wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    Lia, designing a web page is not all that difficult, especially for
    someone who does it professionally. She should have designed a webpage
    for you for free after that dinner! Sounds wonderful!!!

    You hit on exactly the sticky problem I've been mulling over all day. I
    would never charge a friend for dinner in my own home. Cooking a good
    meal is fun and isn't all that difficult once you know how, but it does
    take learning how to do. The same is true for webpages. Jim keeps
    telling me I should learn to do the webpage for myself. On the one
    hand, web design is a professional service one should expect to be paid
    for. On the other hand, like cooking, it is the sort of thing one could
    do as a favor for a friend once you have the know-how. I'm sure she's
    not overcharging me, but she did meet me briefly at a party, volunteer
    that she'd like to do the webpage for me out of the blue, then bring up
    the price after she'd eaten the home-cooked meal. I have mixed feelings
    about all of this.

    --Lia

    Hmmm... Seems like odd or poor timing on her part to talk fees at the very
    last. I would be inclined to decline and learn on your own. There are
    some very good design tools out there that make it rather simple to
    accomplish, and you would be learning a valuable skill on your own. Unless
    timing is critical in getting a webpage up and running, I would pass.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright Õ¿Õ¬
    ____________________________________________

    Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
    Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

  19. Julia said:

    I would never charge a friend for dinner in my own home. Cooking a good
    meal is fun and isn't all that difficult once you know how, but it does
    take learning how to do. The same is true for webpages. Jim keeps
    telling me I should learn to do the webpage for myself. On the one hand,
    web design is a professional service one should expect to be paid for. On
    the other hand, like cooking, it is the sort of thing one could do as a
    favor for a friend once you have the know-how. I'm sure she's not
    overcharging me, but she did meet me briefly at a party, volunteer that
    she'd like to do the webpage for me out of the blue, then bring up the
    price after she'd eaten the home-cooked meal. I have mixed feelings about
    all of this.

    Here's what I see as the crux of the matter: Is she a FRIEND? To my way of
    thinking, if she thought of you as a friend, she would have offered to
    create the web page as a favor to her new friend. It seems to me that the
    two of you are working at cross-purposes: You're trying to strike up a
    friendship with someone who is trying to drum up business for herself. To
    put it bluntly, your goal was her friendship, while her goal was your money.
    (Not an unusual situation at all; it happens in strip clubs all the time!)
    You did the appropriate "friend" action: You invited her to dinner. She did
    the appropriate "business" action: She informed you of her fees. So far,
    neither of you have achieved your goal: You haven't gotten a friend OR a
    website, and she hasn't gotten your money.

    I break it down to these three options:
    (1) abandon all pretense of friendship and hire her to design your website
    (2) learn to design the website yourself
    (3) find a web designer willing to work for friendship and/or food. :-)

    Of those options, (3) is the most iffy but also the most potentially
    rewarding. (2) has its appeal in that education is its own reward. (1) is a
    "lose-win" situation, in which your fake-friend gets a free meal AND a
    business client. You get only what you would have gotten by picking a web
    designer out of the Yellow Pages, and you cooked a meal for a freeloader.

    Bob

  20. I don't have the cookbook in front of me now, but the Silver Palate
    cookbook has a very nice recipe for Avgolemono soup, which is a cold
    chicken soup with lemon juice, eggs, chicken stock and rice, which is
    served cold. I've made it in the summer time and it's very tasty and
    cooling.

    Melissa

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