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  1. As I was turning right at a set of traffic lights yesterday morning, I
    came extremely close to cleaning up a cyclist who was riding on the
    wrong side of the road, through a red pedestrian signal. Glad my ABS
    worked.

    I am by no means having a go at all cyclists here... but I just don't
    understand the mentality of the few who do these sorts of things. This
    guy wasn't a druggy on a stolen bike, but a bloke in a suit probably on
    his way to work. Why on earth would someone ride or walk through a red
    pedestrian signal when they were clearly not sure what the traffic
    lights were doing? Do they not understand that <100kg's vs >1500kgs
    does not result in a good outcome?

    Perhaps GovCo's should offer optional and affordable defensive riding
    courses for these noobs, but even then the majority of people who take
    up the course would be sensible people who wouldn't ride through red
    lights on the wrong side of the road in the first place.

    On the weekend I was out for a ride through Canberra, and obviously
    annoyed a truck driver when he had to slow down to wait for me when he
    wanted to turn left. I began wondering what could be done to convince
    other drivers that bicycles are legally permitted on the road and
    thought, how about all roads with bicycle lanes or with heavy bicycle
    traffic should have red, amber and green bicycle signals at all sets of
    traffic lights, as this would make it clear that bicycles are roadworthy
    vehicles recognised by law. Something like this may also discourage
    those few who run red lights, as a big red bicycle light staring them in
    the face would make it clear that they have to stop.

    I don't know what can be done about the few who choose to risk life and
    limb by riding against traffic though. Any suggestions?

    SL

  2. Sir Lex wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Why on earth would someone ride or walk through a red
    pedestrian signal when they were clearly not sure what the traffic
    lights were doing? Do they not understand that <100kg's vs >1500kgs
    does not result in a good outcome?

    It's called natural selection and it doesn't happen as often as it should.

    Quoted message said:

    On the weekend I was out for a ride through Canberra, and obviously
    annoyed a truck driver when he had to slow down to wait for me when he
    wanted to turn left. I began wondering what could be done to convince
    other drivers that bicycles are legally permitted on the road and
    thought, how about all roads with bicycle lanes or with heavy bicycle
    traffic should have red, amber and green bicycle signals at all sets of
    traffic lights, as this would make it clear that bicycles are roadworthy
    vehicles recognised by law. Something like this may also discourage
    those few who run red lights, as a big red bicycle light staring them in
    the face would make it clear that they have to stop.

    No, I think that this would reinforce the perception that bicycles are a
    special case which is not what we are. Better to educate cyclists that
    they *are* vehicles and get them to behave as such.

    --
    BrettS

  3. BrettS said:

    Sir Lex wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Why on earth would someone ride or walk through a red
    pedestrian signal when they were clearly not sure what the traffic
    lights were doing? Do they not understand that <100kg's vs >1500kgs
    does not result in a good outcome?

    It's called natural selection and it doesn't happen as often as it should.

    Yeah, not much you can do, other than aim better next time :p

  4. Peka said:

    Yeah, not much you can do, other than aim better next time :p


    Have to agree there, it is quite embarrassing being the cyclist who is stopped at the lights when some absolute prat just rolls on through.

  5. better education for all.
    Lights cost money ($20K+ a set, minimum AFAIK)

    ignorant (conveniently, or otherwise) RIDERS make the landscape hard for all of us.

    ignorant (conveniently, or otherwise) DRIVERS make the landscape hard for all of us.

    Ultimately the only thing in 'control' of these individuals is themselves.
    Only they can 'see the light'. Sometimes it just needs to be illuminated for them 🙄

    Flying" they shoot horses, dont they? " Dutch

  6. "Sir Lex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    As I was turning right at a set of traffic lights yesterday morning, I
    came extremely close to cleaning up a cyclist who was riding on the wrong
    side of the road, through a red pedestrian signal. Glad my ABS worked.

    I am by no means having a go at all cyclists here... but I just don't
    understand the mentality of the few who do these sorts of things. This
    guy wasn't a druggy on a stolen bike, but a bloke in a suit probably on
    his way to work. Why on earth would someone ride or walk through a red
    pedestrian signal when they were clearly not sure what the traffic lights
    were doing? Do they not understand that <100kg's vs >1500kgs does not
    result in a good outcome?

    Perhaps GovCo's should offer optional and affordable defensive riding
    courses for these noobs, but even then the majority of people who take up
    the course would be sensible people who wouldn't ride through red lights
    on the wrong side of the road in the first place.

    On the weekend I was out for a ride through Canberra, and obviously
    annoyed a truck driver when he had to slow down to wait for me when he
    wanted to turn left. I began wondering what could be done to convince
    other drivers that bicycles are legally permitted on the road and thought,
    how about all roads with bicycle lanes or with heavy bicycle traffic
    should have red, amber and green bicycle signals at all sets of traffic
    lights, as this would make it clear that bicycles are roadworthy vehicles
    recognised by law. Something like this may also discourage those few who
    run red lights, as a big red bicycle light staring them in the face would
    make it clear that they have to stop.

    I don't know what can be done about the few who choose to risk life and
    limb by riding against traffic though. Any suggestions?

    SL

    Sounds almost like my neighbour. He is such a ditz. On a weekend ride in the
    some 40km or so we covered, he rode across intersections (through red
    lights), in front of oncoming traffic on THREE occasions (all major
    intersections)... and when I finally caught up to him after waiting for the
    green light he was like "what lights? what intersection?".

    This is in addition to the twice that he was on the footpath (which is legal
    here) and rode across pedestrian crossings with red lights, without slowing
    down, in front of slow moving traffic.

    How can anyone be *that* clueless (and idiotic?). Clearly natural selection
    is not working as this dipstick (who I refuse to ride with as a result of
    this) has caused me to crash twice; once by clipping my wheel and causing me
    to go down on the road in front of a truck (who floored it and yelled
    "yippee!" as I hit the asphalt), and the other time he was riding along side
    me when he looked over his right shoulder, his bike veered left into mine
    and sent me into a gutter.

    This was all on the same 40km ride by the way.

    Natural selection is doing it's best to wipe me out and leave him standing!

  7. "Sir Lex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As I was turning right at a set of traffic lights yesterday morning, I
    came extremely close to cleaning up a cyclist who was riding on the wrong
    side of the road, through a red pedestrian signal. Glad my ABS worked.

    I am by no means having a go at all cyclists here... but I just don't
    understand the mentality of the few who do these sorts of things. This
    guy wasn't a druggy on a stolen bike, but a bloke in a suit probably on
    his way to work. Why on earth would someone ride or walk through a red
    pedestrian signal when they were clearly not sure what the traffic lights
    were doing? Do they not understand that <100kg's vs >1500kgs does not
    result in a good outcome?

    Perhaps GovCo's should offer optional and affordable defensive riding
    courses for these noobs, but even then the majority of people who take up
    the course would be sensible people who wouldn't ride through red lights
    on the wrong side of the road in the first place.

    On the weekend I was out for a ride through Canberra, and obviously
    annoyed a truck driver when he had to slow down to wait for me when he
    wanted to turn left. I began wondering what could be done to convince
    other drivers that bicycles are legally permitted on the road and thought,
    how about all roads with bicycle lanes or with heavy bicycle traffic
    should have red, amber and green bicycle signals at all sets of traffic
    lights, as this would make it clear that bicycles are roadworthy vehicles
    recognised by law. Something like this may also discourage those few who
    run red lights, as a big red bicycle light staring them in the face would
    make it clear that they have to stop.

    I don't know what can be done about the few who choose to risk life and
    limb by riding against traffic though. Any suggestions?

    SL

    Sounds almost like my neighbour. He is such a ditz. On a weekend ride in the
    some 40km or so we covered, he rode across intersections (through red
    lights), in front of oncoming traffic on THREE occasions (all major
    intersections)... and when I finally caught up to him after waiting for the
    green light he was like "what lights? what intersection?".

    This is in addition to the twice that he was on the footpath (which is legal
    here) and rode across pedestrian crossings with red lights, without slowing
    down, in front of slow moving traffic.

    How can anyone be *that* clueless (and idiotic?). Clearly natural selection
    is not working as this dipstick (who I refuse to ride with as a result of
    this) has caused me to crash twice; once by clipping my wheel and causing me
    to go down on the road in front of a truck (who floored it and yelled
    "yippee!" as I hit the asphalt), and the other time he was riding along side
    me when he looked over his right shoulder, his bike veered left into mine
    and sent me into a gutter.

    This was all on the same 40km ride by the way.

    Natural selection is doing it's best to wipe me out and leave him standing!

  8. "Sir Lex" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As I was turning right at a set of traffic lights yesterday morning, I
    came extremely close to cleaning up a cyclist who was riding on the wrong
    side of the road, through a red pedestrian signal. Glad my ABS worked.

    I am by no means having a go at all cyclists here... but I just don't
    understand the mentality of the few who do these sorts of things. This
    guy wasn't a druggy on a stolen bike, but a bloke in a suit probably on
    his way to work. Why on earth would someone ride or walk through a red
    pedestrian signal when they were clearly not sure what the traffic lights
    were doing? Do they not understand that <100kg's vs >1500kgs does not
    result in a good outcome?

    Perhaps GovCo's should offer optional and affordable defensive riding
    courses for these noobs, but even then the majority of people who take up
    the course would be sensible people who wouldn't ride through red lights
    on the wrong side of the road in the first place.

    On the weekend I was out for a ride through Canberra, and obviously
    annoyed a truck driver when he had to slow down to wait for me when he
    wanted to turn left. I began wondering what could be done to convince
    other drivers that bicycles are legally permitted on the road and thought,
    how about all roads with bicycle lanes or with heavy bicycle traffic
    should have red, amber and green bicycle signals at all sets of traffic
    lights, as this would make it clear that bicycles are roadworthy vehicles
    recognised by law. Something like this may also discourage those few who
    run red lights, as a big red bicycle light staring them in the face would
    make it clear that they have to stop.

    I don't know what can be done about the few who choose to risk life and
    limb by riding against traffic though. Any suggestions?

    SL

    Sounds almost like my neighbour. He is such a ditz. On a weekend ride in the
    some 40km or so we covered, he rode across intersections (through red
    lights), in front of oncoming traffic on THREE occasions (all major
    intersections)... and when I finally caught up to him after waiting for the
    green light he was like "what lights? what intersection?".

    This is in addition to the twice that he was on the footpath (which is legal
    here) and rode across pedestrian crossings with red lights, without slowing
    down, in front of slow moving traffic.

    How can anyone be *that* clueless (and idiotic?). Clearly natural selection
    is not working as this dipstick (who I refuse to ride with as a result of
    this) has caused me to crash twice; once by clipping my wheel and causing me
    to go down on the road in front of a truck (who floored it and yelled
    "yippee!" as I hit the asphalt), and the other time he was riding along side
    me when he looked over his right shoulder, his bike veered left into mine
    and sent me into a gutter.

    This was all on the same 40km ride by the way.

    Natural selection is doing it's best to wipe me out and leave him standing!

  9. Hey Michelle

    What should we look out for? I for one don't want to get near this guy!

    Donga

  10. Hey Michelle

    What should we look out for? I for one don't want to get near this guy!

    Donga

  11. Hey Michelle

    What should we look out for? I for one don't want to get near this guy!

    Donga

  12. "Donga" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey Michelle

    What should we look out for? I for one don't want to get near this guy!

    Donga

    Black and grey helmet, no reflectors, grey drinkbottle with a aluminum cage
    on a black/green framed MTB (with silver front fork) zig zagging all over
    the place, with a far off look in his eye and possible 5 or 6 drivers
    tailing him trying to run him down for cutting them off at the last three
    intersections.

    He also cycles the wrong way in cycle lanes - he is probably one of the
    people complained about here

  13. "Donga" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey Michelle

    What should we look out for? I for one don't want to get near this guy!

    Donga

    Black and grey helmet, no reflectors, grey drinkbottle with a aluminum cage
    on a black/green framed MTB (with silver front fork) zig zagging all over
    the place, with a far off look in his eye and possible 5 or 6 drivers
    tailing him trying to run him down for cutting them off at the last three
    intersections.

    He also cycles the wrong way in cycle lanes - he is probably one of the
    people complained about here

  14. "Donga" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey Michelle

    What should we look out for? I for one don't want to get near this guy!

    Donga

    Black and grey helmet, no reflectors, grey drinkbottle with a aluminum cage
    on a black/green framed MTB (with silver front fork) zig zagging all over
    the place, with a far off look in his eye and possible 5 or 6 drivers
    tailing him trying to run him down for cutting them off at the last three
    intersections.

    He also cycles the wrong way in cycle lanes - he is probably one of the
    people complained about here

  15. Sir Lex said:

    As I was turning right at a set of traffic lights yesterday morning, I
    came extremely close to cleaning up a cyclist who was riding on the
    wrong side of the road, through a red pedestrian signal.

    Not defending the idiot, but if they came off the path its not entirely the wrong side of the road.
    The riding against red pedestrian light is 2 wrongs though, not that anyone dismounts.
    One of the problems of having a good path network is that many of the path cyclists think like pedestrians, not like vehicles,
    including when they venture onto the road.

    Andre

  16. Sir Lex said:

    As I was turning right at a set of traffic lights yesterday morning, I
    came extremely close to cleaning up a cyclist who was riding on the
    wrong side of the road, through a red pedestrian signal.

    Not defending the idiot, but if they came off the path its not entirely the wrong side of the road.
    The riding against red pedestrian light is 2 wrongs though, not that anyone dismounts.
    One of the problems of having a good path network is that many of the path cyclists think like pedestrians, not like vehicles,
    including when they venture onto the road.

    Andre

  17. Sir Lex said:

    As I was turning right at a set of traffic lights yesterday morning, I
    came extremely close to cleaning up a cyclist who was riding on the
    wrong side of the road, through a red pedestrian signal.

    Not defending the idiot, but if they came off the path its not entirely the wrong side of the road.
    The riding against red pedestrian light is 2 wrongs though, not that anyone dismounts.
    One of the problems of having a good path network is that many of the path cyclists think like pedestrians, not like vehicles,
    including when they venture onto the road.

    Andre

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