Natural M.D.s

George Lagergren said:

Topic: Natural (Naturopathic) M.D.s

I saw a Yellow Pages Physician ad for a naturopathic medical doctor.
The ad said:

Naturopathic Medical Doctor

Dr. John Doe, N.M.D.

The initials after the name were N.M.D. not M.D.

Which medical schools offer N.M.D. degrees?

NONE

it is a degree from scam schools
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hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook

ted rosenberg said:

George Lagergren said:

Topic: Natural (Naturopathic) M.D.s

I saw a Yellow Pages Physician ad for a naturopathic medical doctor.
The ad said:

Naturopathic Medical Doctor

Dr. John Doe, N.M.D.

The initials after the name were N.M.D. not M.D.

Which medical schools offer N.M.D. degrees?

NONE

it is a degree from scam schools

Funny - scam schools, as if allopathic doctors aren't scamming us.

Hilarious.

TC

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George Lagergren said:

Topic: Natural (Naturopathic) M.D.s

I saw a Yellow Pages Physician ad for a naturopathic medical

doctor.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The ad said:

Naturopathic Medical Doctor

Dr. John Doe, N.M.D.

The initials after the name were N.M.D. not M.D.

Which medical schools offer N.M.D. degrees?

Another Troll question?

It stands for the "Doctor of Naturopathy" or the "Doctor of
Naturopathic Medicine" degree. It means that the person is practicing
Naturopathy either in the state of Arizonia or in Canada.

What about Witch Medical Doctors or Shaman Medical Doctors? Where do they
get their degrees?

ted rosenberg said:

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Quoted message said:

What about Witch Medical Doctors or Shaman Medical Doctors? Where do they
get their degrees?

As you very well know, "Naturopathic physicians hold medical degrees.
These practitioners are often licensed (twelve states, the U.S. Virgin
Islands, and five Canadian provinces offer licenses) and are sometimes
registered (as in Kansas)."
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Naturopathy

As I very well know, "Naturopathic physician do NOT hold medical degrees.

Only fools, like you, argue over language.

There are 19 medical schools that offer the D.O. degree. Osteopaths,
dear fool, are not physicians either, yet these institutions of higher
learning are commonly, if not exclusively, referred to as medical
schools. Don't the term 'schools' refer to K-12. And, shouldn't
medical students be offended by saying that they are going to school
rather than to college?

You claim that medical students go to medical schools, when obviously
they should really be going to a medical college (ex, MCV or the
Medical College of Virginia). What is your problem, Dork?

Just thought that you might want to know, Fool, how the King's English
is spoken.

Ha, .. Hah, Ha!

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ted rosenberg said:

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Quoted message said:

>What about Witch Medical Doctors or Shaman Medical Doctors? Where do
>they
>get their degrees?
As you very well know, "Naturopathic physicians hold medical degrees.
These practitioners are often licensed (twelve states, the U.S. Virgin
Islands, and five Canadian provinces offer licenses) and are sometimes
registered (as in Kansas)."
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Naturopathy

As I very well know, "Naturopathic physician do NOT hold medical
degrees.

Only fools, like you, argue over language.

There are 19 medical schools that offer the D.O. degree. Osteopaths,
dear fool, are not physicians either, . . .

D.O.'s, dear fool, are most certainly physicians. They pass the same state
licensing board exams as M.D.'s, and have the same rights under the
licensing laws (the right to prescribe controlled substances, etc.).
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DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar
education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states.

As top the "schools" vs "Colleges" idiocy. The preferred term is
"school" a medical school may be a school within a Collegium, or
stand-alone, In current US usage, the term "college" would be acceptable.

I know of no English speaking countries headed by a king, so I don't
speak ANY "kings English," and I am not an ignorant buffoon, like you
are, so I speak US standard English.

Mr-Natural-Health said:

ted rosenberg said:

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Quoted message said:

>What about Witch Medical Doctors or Shaman Medical Doctors? Where do they
>get their degrees?

As you very well know, "Naturopathic physicians hold medical degrees.
These practitioners are often licensed (twelve states, the U.S. Virgin
Islands, and five Canadian provinces offer licenses) and are sometimes
registered (as in Kansas)."
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Naturopathy

As I very well know, "Naturopathic physician do NOT hold medical degrees.

Only fools, like you, argue over language.

There are 19 medical schools that offer the D.O. degree. Osteopaths,
dear fool, are not physicians either, yet these institutions of higher
learning are commonly, if not exclusively, referred to as medical
schools. Don't the term 'schools' refer to K-12. And, shouldn't
medical students be offended by saying that they are going to school
rather than to college?

You claim that medical students go to medical schools, when obviously
they should really be going to a medical college (ex, MCV or the
Medical College of Virginia). What is your problem, Dork?

Just thought that you might want to know, Fool, how the King's English
is spoken.

Ha, .. Hah, Ha!

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook

In article <[email hidden]>,

ted rosenberg said:

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DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar
education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states.

Sorry, Ted, but at least in the US, DO's are indeed physicians and in
terms of training, licensing, and professional privileges, they are
equivalent to MDs.

I believe that this is not the case in some other countries.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and
natural things that money can buy."
-- Steve Martin

Quoted message said:

As top the "schools" vs "Colleges" idiocy. The preferred term is
"school" a medical school may be a school within a Collegium, or
stand-alone, In current US usage, the term "college" would be acceptable.

I know of no English speaking countries headed by a king, so I don't
speak ANY "kings English," and I am not an ignorant buffoon, like you
are, so I speak US standard English.

Mr-Natural-Health said:

ted rosenberg said:

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>>What about Witch Medical Doctors or Shaman Medical Doctors? Where do they
>>get their degrees?
>
>As you very well know, "Naturopathic physicians hold medical degrees.
>These practitioners are often licensed (twelve states, the U.S. Virgin
>Islands, and five Canadian provinces offer licenses) and are sometimes
>registered (as in Kansas)."
>http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Naturopathy
>

As I very well know, "Naturopathic physician do NOT hold medical degrees.

Only fools, like you, argue over language.

There are 19 medical schools that offer the D.O. degree. Osteopaths,
dear fool, are not physicians either, yet these institutions of higher
learning are commonly, if not exclusively, referred to as medical
schools. Don't the term 'schools' refer to K-12. And, shouldn't
medical students be offended by saying that they are going to school
rather than to college?

You claim that medical students go to medical schools, when obviously
they should really be going to a medical college (ex, MCV or the
Medical College of Virginia). What is your problem, Dork?

Just thought that you might want to know, Fool, how the King's English
is spoken.

Ha, .. Hah, Ha!

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook

ted rosenberg said:

I am not an ignorant buffoon, like you
are ...

Oh? You are writing on this thread, are you not?

I rest my case. 🙂

Just my opinion, but I am right as usual.

David Wright said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

ted rosenberg said:

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DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar
education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states.

Sorry, Ted, but at least in the US, DO's are indeed physicians and in
terms of training, licensing, and professional privileges, they are
equivalent to MDs.

I believe that this is not the case in some other countries.

We are in general agreement here. The question if the term "physician"
is technically correct isn't really relevant with regard to most US DOs.

Quoted message said:

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and
natural things that money can buy."
-- Steve Martin

Quoted message said:

As top the "schools" vs "Colleges" idiocy. The preferred term is
"school" a medical school may be a school within a Collegium, or
stand-alone, In current US usage, the term "college" would be acceptable.

I know of no English speaking countries headed by a king, so I don't
speak ANY "kings English," and I am not an ignorant buffoon, like you
are, so I speak US standard English.

Mr-Natural-Health said:

ted rosenberg wrote:

>More [censored] from the scam artists
>
>
>>>What about Witch Medical Doctors or Shaman Medical Doctors? Where do they
>>>get their degrees?
>>
>>As you very well know, "Naturopathic physicians hold medical degrees.
>>These practitioners are often licensed (twelve states, the U.S. Virgin
>>Islands, and five Canadian provinces offer licenses) and are sometimes
>>registered (as in Kansas)."
>>http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Naturopathy
>>
>
> As I very well know, "Naturopathic physician do NOT hold medical degrees.

Only fools, like you, argue over language.

There are 19 medical schools that offer the D.O. degree. Osteopaths,
dear fool, are not physicians either, yet these institutions of higher
learning are commonly, if not exclusively, referred to as medical
schools. Don't the term 'schools' refer to K-12. And, shouldn't
medical students be offended by saying that they are going to school
rather than to college?

You claim that medical students go to medical schools, when obviously
they should really be going to a medical college (ex, MCV or the
Medical College of Virginia). What is your problem, Dork?

Just thought that you might want to know, Fool, how the King's English
is spoken.

Ha, .. Hah, Ha!

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook

Mr-Natural-Health wrote:

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Quoted message said:

There are 19 medical schools that offer the D.O. degree. Osteopaths,
dear fool, are not physicians either...

<snip>

(Slaps forehead) Yes, D.O.s most certainly are physicians. They train
as Ob-Gyns, trauma surgeons, cardiologists...whatever field they
choose. They get largely the same basic medical education in med
school, and they get exactly the same specialty training in residency
and fellowship; they train in the same programs, alongside M.D.s,
after all.

Mark, MD

Mr-Natural-Health said:

ted rosenberg said:

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Quoted message said:

>What about Witch Medical Doctors or Shaman Medical Doctors? Where do they
>get their degrees?

As you very well know, "Naturopathic physicians hold medical degrees.
These practitioners are often licensed (twelve states, the U.S. Virgin
Islands, and five Canadian provinces offer licenses) and are sometimes
registered (as in Kansas)."
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Naturopathy

As I very well know, "Naturopathic physician do NOT hold medical degrees.

Only fools, like you, argue over language.

There are 19 medical schools that offer the D.O. degree. Osteopaths,
dear fool, are not physicians either, yet these institutions of higher
learning are commonly, if not exclusively, referred to as medical
schools.

D. O.'s are licensed as MDs, train postgraduate as MDs, and can be board
certified by any of the boards that board certify MDs.

One of my best friends has a D.O. and is board certified.

Don't the term 'schools' refer to K-12. And, shouldn't

Quoted message said:

medical students be offended by saying that they are going to school
rather than to college?

You claim that medical students go to medical schools, when obviously
they should really be going to a medical college (ex, MCV or the
Medical College of Virginia). What is your problem, Dork?

Just thought that you might want to know, Fool, how the King's English
is spoken.

Ha, .. Hah, Ha!

ted rosenberg said:

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DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar
education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states.

COMMENT:

In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships
as M.D.'s, they make it though the same Spring Training, and if not
dropped, are on the Medical Team. I don't know any physicians who don't
consider D.O.'s bonafide physicians (myself included). Nor (for that
matter) any D.O.'s who don't consider themselves physicians.

SBH

ted rosenberg said:

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DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar
education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states.

COMMENT:

In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships
as M.D.'s, they make it through the same Spring Training, and if not
dropped, are on the Medical Team. I don't know any physicians who don't
consider D.O.'s bonafide physicians (myself included). Nor (for that
matter) any D.O.'s who don't consider themselves physicians.

SBH

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

ted rosenberg said:

More [censored] from the scammers

DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar
education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states.

COMMENT:

In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships
as M.D.'s, they make it though the same Spring Training, and if not
dropped, are on the Medical Team. I don't know any physicians who don't
consider D.O.'s bonafide physicians (myself included). Nor (for that
matter) any D.O.'s who don't consider themselves physicians.

So?

It still does not change the fact that DO's, or Osteopaths, are
practicing alternative medicine by definition. 🙂

Just thought that you might want to know.

I know, that DOs didn't used to be recognized in some states - I can't
say if it is still the case

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

ted rosenberg said:

More [censored] from the scammers

DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar
education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states.

COMMENT:

In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships
as M.D.'s, they make it though the same Spring Training, and if not
dropped, are on the Medical Team. I don't know any physicians who don't
consider D.O.'s bonafide physicians (myself included). Nor (for that
matter) any D.O.'s who don't consider themselves physicians.

SBH

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook

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Quoted message said:

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

ted rosenberg said:

More [censored] from the scammers

DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar
education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states.

COMMENT:

In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships
as M.D.'s, they make it though the same Spring Training, and if not
dropped, are on the Medical Team. I don't know any physicians who don't
consider D.O.'s bonafide physicians (myself included). Nor (for that
matter) any D.O.'s who don't consider themselves physicians.

So?

It still does not change the fact that DO's, or Osteopaths, are
practicing alternative medicine by definition. 🙂

Just thought that you might want to know.

I don't know of any DO's that practice "alternative medicine".
It is conventional medicine by any definition.

(David Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

ted rosenberg said:

More [censored] from the scammers

DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar
education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states.

Sorry, Ted, but at least in the US, DO's are indeed physicians and in
terms of training, licensing, and professional privileges, they are
equivalent to MDs.

I believe that this is not the case in some other countries.

I Australia the term "Osteopath" means "even quackier than
Chiropractor".

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(David Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

ted rosenberg said:

More [censored] from the scammers

DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar
education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states.

Sorry, Ted, but at least in the US, DO's are indeed physicians and in
terms of training, licensing, and professional privileges, they are
equivalent to MDs.

I believe that this is not the case in some other countries.

Quoted message said:

Peter Bowditch

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Quoted message said:

COMMENT:

In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships
as M.D.'s, they make it though the same Spring Training, and if not
dropped, are on the Medical Team. I don't know any physicians who don't
consider D.O.'s bonafide physicians (myself included). Nor (for that
matter) any D.O.'s who don't consider themselves physicians.

So?

It still does not change the fact that DO's, or Osteopaths, are
practicing alternative medicine by definition. 🙂

Just thought that you might want to know.

COMMENT:

Just thought I'd like to know about your private definitions? No,
sorry, I'm not interested.

Neither MD's nor DO's think that they, or each other, are practicing
"alterative medicine". On the contrary, alternative medicine is
*defined* mainly by things MD's and DO's jointly think are not worth
recommending.

This is not to say either profession is pure. Both MDs' and DOs do some
things that aren't backed by first quality scientific evidence. Some
DO's do massage adjustments (craniosacrotherapy) which look pretty much
like chiropractic therapy to me. People feel better after them, just as
with massage, but double blind placebo controlled experiments are hard
to do.

Double blind placebo controlled experiments are just as hard to do with
exercise, which both DOs and MDs recommended on the basis of
second-quality evidence. I think it's just possible that due to the
many confounders in exercise, that if we could do a placebo controlled
doubled blinded study, we might be as shocked by the results as we were
with HRT or vitamin E. Look at the hit that accupuncture just took.
You never know.

SBH