Nashbar Frame'

W A S A T C H said:

Does anyone know anything about the Nashbar Frame' seen here:

nashbar.comprofile.cfmOpen ↗
64&storetype=&estoreid=

I mainly mountain bike, but would like to have a road frame to train on during the winter and go
for an occasional ride in the summer. I already have most the parts to do a build. The price is
right $129. Any opinions?

-Nate

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Only this: it's Framé, not Frame'.

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Ted Bennett Portland OR

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W A S A T C H said:

Does anyone know anything about the Nashbar Frame' seen here:

it's made by Colnago...

Ted Bennett said:

Only this: it's Framé, not Frame'.

But what I really want to know is... Who framéd Roger Rabbit?
--
Rick Onanian

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Does anyone know anything about the Nashbar Frame' seen here:

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I mainly mountain bike, but would like to have a road frame to train on during the winter and go
for an occasional ride in the summer. I already have most the parts to do a build. The price is
right $129. Any opinions?

-Nate

I ordered one of these in the summer. I paid about $130 for the frame, fork and headset as they were
blowing out specific sizes. Between the cheap price, the bike had the additional attractions that it
was _not_ a compact geometry frame, it did _not_ have an intregrated headset, and it had a 1"
steerer tube. So it was basically a basic frame that had none of the gimmicks that in 3 years will
be proven to be fashion dead-ends. I built the bike up with a collection of second-hand parts that I
bought on Ebay, and its a great bike.

The frame is about 1 pound heavier than a high-end alu model. The fork they provided with the deal
was a Kinesis Alu threaded model. As far as ride quality, I really can't feel the difference
between any of my bikes, so who knows. I can hear a difference between the bikes, but the ride
seems the same.

As an inexpensive Alu bike, the ride is not supposed to be "compliant" or "tuned", but it is as
seems as comfortable as my steel or Ti bikes. But, as many in this newsgroup will point out, the
effect of tires and the saddle on comfort is several orders of magnitude more important than any
frame flex that you may get.

Smokin deal. Buy it.

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W A S A T C H said:

Does anyone know anything about the Nashbar Frame' seen here:

nashbar.comprofile.cfmOpen ↗
64&storetype=&estoreid=

I mainly mountain bike, but would like to have a road frame to train on during the winter and go
for an occasional ride in the summer. I already have most the parts to do a build. The price is
right $129. Any opinions?

-Nate

<pedant>

Only this: it's Framé, not Frame'.

</pedant>

Dear Ted,

Accents are for sissies like Billy Shaxspear. Christ, the guy can't even spelle his owne name twice
the same way--no wonder the editors gotta stick -éd in everywhere to make his stuff scanne. Makes me
wanna puké.

Besides, not æveryone wants to bother with alt-numpad-1-3-0.

Jeff Chaucer

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Quoted message said:

Does anyone know anything about the Nashbar Frame' seen here:

nashbar.comprofile.cfmOpen ↗

64&storetype=&estoreid=

Quoted message said:

I mainly mountain bike, but would like to have a road frame to train on during the winter and go
for an occasional ride in the summer. I already have most the parts to do a build. The price is
right $129. Any opinions?

It's probably a fine frame. Probably made in the same factory using the same machinery as much more
expensive frames. If I was shopping for a cheap frame, I would probably buy a Nashbar frame.
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Alex

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Quoted message said:

Does anyone know anything about the Nashbar Frame' seen here:

nashbar.comprofile.cfmOpen ↗
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I mainly mountain bike, but would like to have a road frame to train on during the winter and go
for an occasional ride in the summer. I already have most the parts to do a build. The price is
right $129. Any opinions?

-Nate

I own the Nashbar aluminum road frame. Bought for $104 during the summer. But alas I have not built
it up yet. I had a few extra parts lying about, like wheels, and was going to buy a triple
drivetrain for a week ride in the mountains, so I figured for just the cost of a cheap frame and
fork, I could have a complete bike. Unfortunately the total cost did not turn out as cheap as I had
hoped. I decided to go with Performance's all carbon fork, and a few other luxury parts.

I liked the frame because it came in my size with an appropriately long top tube. It is aluminum and
I do not have an aluminum road bike.

It is made in China.

If you order it, make sure to buy the seat tube/seatpost clamp since the frame does not come with
it. Nahsbar has them for $3.49.

I just had a great experience building two of them. I liked the first one so much I did a second
one to take to another country where I spend a lot of time. It just happened that the frame has
exactly the geometry I needed - slack seat tube, short top tube (size 58); otherwise I was looking
at a Merckx or similar. The frames are straight and the head tube and BB are ready to go with no
facing, chasing, etc. I spent about $500 each, not including wheels and pedals, which I already
had. With black 105 they look great. One is a triple, one a double. If you watch for a sale and a
discount code, you can get the frames unbelievably cheap - I paid $117 for the first and $95 for
the second. With the second I got a carbon fork for $40 and headset for $15, because they have the
obsolete JIS fork race. Otherwise, you can still get the fork for under $100. The bikes ride very
nicely, mainly because they fit me so well. I don't know what they weigh, it has never been
important to me. I don't know about compliance, etc. - I am of the school that believes your
wheels, tires and air pressure make more difference to the ride than the frame. For me these bikes
are perfect. If you had to buy all new components, you wouldn't save that much, but if you have the
parts it's a tremedous deal.

Ted Bennett said:

<pedant>

Only this: it's Framé, not Frame'.

</pedant>

Their web page says FRAME’. But what do they know?

Regardless of spelling, it's an odd name. I suppose they'll be calling themselves Bïke'
Ñäshbår next.

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Quoted message said:

I mainly mountain bike, but would like to have a road frame to train on during the winter and go
for an occasional ride in the summer. I already have most the parts to do a build. The price is
right $129. Any opinions?

-Nate

I own the Nashbar aluminum road frame. Bought for $104 during the summer. But alas I have not
built it up yet. I had a few extra parts lying about, like wheels, and was going to buy a triple
drivetrain for a week ride in the mountains, so I figured for just the cost of a cheap frame and
fork, I could have a complete bike. Unfortunately the total cost did not turn out as cheap as I
had hoped.

It's *really* hard to beat the price of a complete new bike with a DIY bike, even when you are a
dedicated bargain bin scrounger. The (even discounted) Nashbar price for that frame is probably
what the frame would cost bundled into most finished bikes. I cracked a MTB frame this summer and
found out my cheapest route was to buy a complete bike just for the frame, then distribute the
components around to other needy family bikes. It was strange to tear down a brand new bike without
even riding it.

Ray Heindl said:

Ted Bennett said:

<pedant>

Only this: it's Framé, not Frame'.

</pedant>

Their web page says FRAME’. But what do they know?

Regardless of spelling, it's an odd name. I suppose they'll be calling themselves Bïke'
Ñäshbår next.

They don't know much about French and its accents, that's for sure. But that's hardly surprising, as
the vast majority of people with a US-centric view of the world like to use fake French to lend a
fake patina of sophistication to their writing. I suspect that the copywriters at Nashbar
(Nashbarre?) were trying for Framé but can't tell the difference between an accent and an
apostrophe.

Carl: what's with the alt-numpad-1-3-0? I just do option-e. Maybe that's why Macs are more costly.

--
Ted Bennett Portland OR

Ted Bennett said:

patina of sophistication to their writing. I suspect that the copywriters at Nashbar (Nashbarre?)
were trying for Framé but can't tell the difference between an accent and an apostrophe.

...or were too lazy to figure out that the computer offers the appropriate character.

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Carl: what's with the alt-numpad-1-3-0? I just do option-e. Maybe that's why Macs are more costly.

I'll take this one. We like to use our Ctrl and Alt keys for more common commands than "insert a
strange character here". If we want to insert a strange character, we could click on "character map"
and get a list of all available characters (and insert the one we want), or for those of us who
remember DOS, we can type in the ASCII code by holding down Alt and typing the number on the numpad.

In fact, I just took a look at Courier New in the character map, and I have 58 characters
resembling e or E, most of which are exactly the same as e or E but with various types and
combinations of accents on them. Even if you only want a few different accents, how do you get them
with your option key?

Just fooling around with alt-131 and nearby codes: éêëè
--
Rìçk Ôñâñïåñ

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Ray Heindl said:

Ted Bennett said:

<pedant>

Only this: it's Framé, not Frame'.

</pedant>

Their web page says FRAME?. But what do they know?

Regardless of spelling, it's an odd name. I suppose they'll be calling themselves Bïke'
Ñäshbår next.

They don't know much about French and its accents, that's for sure. But that's hardly surprising,
as the vast majority of people with a US-centric view of the world like to use fake French to lend
a fake patina of sophistication to their writing. I suspect that the copywriters at Nashbar
(Nashbarre?) were trying for Framé but can't tell the difference between an accent and an
apostrophe.

Carl: what's with the alt-numpad-1-3-0? I just do option-e. Maybe that's why Macs are more costly.

Cher Ted,

Alas, the pen is not only mightier than the sword, but also more versatile than the keyboard. Even
people who speak French as their native language find U.S. keyboards frustrating enough to resort to
using ` and ' to get close to what their own systems provide. (The pen is not, however, mightier
than the pen-knife.)

Rick has explained the versatility of using alt-numpad to enter 3-digit ASCII codes (which vary
according to setup on Windows and MS-DOS). This æ, for example, is created by holding down the alt
key and banging 1-4-5 on the number pad. The Æ is #145. Truly trivial types have charts of these
things handy.

Since Apples keep doctors away and I'm a medical billing consultant, I'm far less familiar with
their quirks. Elsewhere in this thread, Rick Onanian has pointed out the variety of non-US-standard
symbols available in Windows.

Are there handy Apple combinations like option-e for é that produce æ versus Æ?

Curiously,

Carl Fogel

"Ted Bennett" <[email hidden]> wrote

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They don't know much about French and its accents, that's for sure. But that's hardly surprising,
as the vast majority of people with a US-centric view of the world like to use fake French to lend
a fake patina of sophistication to their writing. I suspect that the copywriters at Nashbar
(Nashbarre?) were trying for Framé but can't tell the difference between an accent and an
apostrophe.

<snip>

I doubt they gave it that much thought ... I saw it as a joke, not an attempt to emulate the
"sophisticated" French. It seems just a tongue in cheek nod to snooty overpriced French products,
especially considering the "Frame'" is simply a good solid cheep white bread and beer frame. When
companies are serious about trying to "fake a patina" when it comes to mechanical products,
they're more likely to pick a Japanese or German sounding name. Let's face it, French mechanical
design have never been that great. I have a friend who used to be a rally driver for Renault and
as nationalistic as he is, he'll be the first to tell you how bad they were ... he drives a
Toyota now (c:

I don't think the phenomenon you're referring to is unique to the US either ... check out
www.engrish.com Marketing executives are stupid and silly people, regardless of what nation they
come from.

Time for me to go shave with my Mach 3 Turbo Champion razor, and eat a bowl of Super Honey Nut
Crunch cereal ...

C.Q.C.

Ted Bennett said:

They don't know much about French and its accents, that's for sure. But that's hardly surprising,
as the vast majority of people with a US-centric view of the world like to use fake French to lend
a fake patina of sophistication to their writing. I suspect that the copywriters at Nashbar
(Nashbarre?) were trying for Framé but can't tell the difference between an accent and an
apostrophe.

My guess is that their web page author couldn't be bothered to look up the symbols for É and é, and
he figured that E' and e' would be close enough.

--
Ray Heindl (remove the Xs to reply)

"Carl Fogel" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message

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Since Apples keep doctors away and I'm a medical billing consultant, I'm far less familiar with
their quirks. Elsewhere in this thread, Rick Onanian has pointed out the variety of non-US-
standard symbols available in Windows.

Are there handy Apple combinations like option-e for é that produce æ versus Æ?

If you use windows, you can choose keyboard layouts, and simply selecting the Canadian Multi-lingual
Standard will give you a qwerty keyboard with most of the accented keys and dead-key accents
available without stretching.

--

Sandy Paris FR

*******
La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette, il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre. -- Einstein, A.

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Ted Bennett <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Their web page says FRAME?. But what do they know?

Regardless of spelling, it's an odd name. I suppose

they'll be calling

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themselves Bïke' Ñäshbår next.

They don't know much about French and its accents, that's for

sure. But

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that's hardly surprising, as the vast majority of people with

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US-centric view of the world like to use fake French to lend

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patina of sophistication to their writing. I suspect that

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copywriters at Nashbar (Nashbarre?) were trying for Framé but

can't tell

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the difference between an accent and an apostrophe.

Carl: what's with the alt-numpad-1-3-0? I just do option-e.

Maybe

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that's why Macs are more costly.

Cher Ted,

Alas, the pen is not only mightier than the sword, but also more versatile than the keyboard. Even
people who speak French as their native language find U.S. keyboards frustrating enough to resort
to using ` and ' to get close to what their own systems provide. (The pen is not, however,
mightier than the pen-knife.)

Rick has explained the versatility of using alt-numpad to enter 3-digit ASCII codes (which vary
according to setup on Windows and MS-DOS). This æ, for example, is created by holding down the alt
key and banging 1-4-5 on the number pad. The Æ is #145. Truly trivial types have charts of these
things handy.

Since Apples keep doctors away and I'm a medical billing consultant, I'm far less familiar with
their quirks. Elsewhere in this thread, Rick Onanian has pointed out the variety of non-US-
standard symbols available in Windows.

Are there handy Apple combinations like option-e for é that produce æ versus Æ?

This is freaking great! I didn't know about this stuff. ? ? » ? ä ? ? ??. ?? T ? ( ? ? § ò ? ? X V ?
î ¿ ?æ. This is by far the most interesting thing I have read on this news group in the last five
years -- except for maybe the "Sheldon is a Party Doll" thread. -- Jay Beattie.

Yes, it's a joke. Ny favoritte comment on it was the picture a guy posted on one of the newsgroups.
He put the Framé decal on a Litespeed. (I have the accent placed correctly because my keyboard is
set for Portuguese. If you guys are really interested, you can set your keyboard preference for
French or any of a dozen other languages). I would like to get a Litespeed decal for my Framé - also
part of the joke is the titanium colored paint. I put the decal on the one I am taking to Brazil
because it will be sure to be a conversation starter.

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part of the joke is the titanium colored paint. I put the decal on the one I am taking to Brazil
because it will be sure to be a conversation starter.

Do you meet hot chicks this way?

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training