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  1. The North American Man/Boy Love Association is both political and
    educational. We work to organize support for boys and men who have or
    desire consensual sexual and emotional relationships and to educate
    society on their positive nature. We speak out against the oppression
    endured by men and boys who love one another and support the right of
    all people to consensual intergenerational relationships. Throughout
    most of Western history (and not only Western), man/boy love has been
    the primary form of homoeroticism, and it is this love for which NAMBLA
    stands. NAMBLA was founded in 1978, within Boston's gay and lesbian
    community, in response to a witch hunt against man/boy lovers in that
    city. Since then, NAMBLA has worked to build a community of support
    through our publications and conferences. Our spokespeople raise
    awareness of the issue in the media and academia, before community
    groups, and among the general public. While NAMBLA's members represent a
    diversity of backgrounds and politics, we all share a libertarian,
    humanistic attitude on sexuality. We believe that sex is good and
    wholesome and that it is an important medium of personal expression.
    NAMBLA condemns sexual abuse in all forms of coercion. We insist there
    is a distinction between coercive and consensual sex. Laws that focus
    only on the age of the participants fail to capture that distinction,
    for they ignore the quality of the relationship. Differences in age do
    not preclude mutual, loving interaction between persons any more than
    differences in race or class. Some existing laws criminalize sexual
    relationships that are loving and fully consensual. These laws are ill-
    conceived and morally repugnant. As is our right, we advocate their
    repeal. Nothing that we speak or write about is intended to advocate or
    counsel the violation of such laws. NAMBLA calls for the empowerment of
    youth in all areas, not just the sexual. We are against arbitrary
    constraints on the rights and freedom of all, young and old. We support
    greater economic, political, and social opportunities for young people
    and denounce the rampant ageism that segregates and isolates them in
    fear and mistrust.
    * =================================
    North American Man/Boy Love Association NAMBLA's legal and for real !!
    USD $35/year, $50 overseas, $5 Sample to: NAMBLA Dept TB PO Box 174
    Midtown Station New York, NY 10018-0174 USA NEW WEB SITE:
    http://www.nambla.org/
    * =================================

    Who loves ya.
    Tom Hennesy
    <doe> [email hidden]
    Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
    Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

  2. tom hennessy <[email hidden]> wrote in news:CYL791K037887.0180787037
    @Gilgamesh-frog.org:

    Quoted message said:

    The North American Man/Boy Love Association is both political and
    educational. >
    Who loves ya.
    Tom Hennesy
    <doe> [email hidden]
    Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
    Man Is A Herbivore!


    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

    Quoted message said:

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

    I always knew there was something fundamentally wrong with you and now I
    know what it is.

    r

    --
    "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
    magic."

    Arthur C. Clarke (1917 - ), "Technology and the Future"

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rich Andrews said:

    tom hennessy <[email hidden]> wrote in news:CYL791K037887.0180787037
    @Gilgamesh-frog.org:

    Quoted message said:

    The North American Man/Boy Love Association is both political and
    educational. >
    Who loves ya.
    Tom Hennesy
    <doe> [email hidden]
    Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
    Man Is A Herbivore!


    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

    Quoted message said:

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

    I always knew there was something fundamentally wrong with you and now I
    know what it is.

    I just wondered if that posting is a forgery -- I mean, I always
    thought "ironjustice" was about five bubbles off plumb, but I've
    never seen him express any sentiments like *those* before.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  4. Quoted message said:

    I just wondered if that posting is a forgery -- I mean, I always
    thought "ironjustice" was about five bubbles off plumb, but I've
    never seen him express any sentiments like *those* before.

    I agree. It does not ring true.

    BL

    "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of
    the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
    there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

    "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

  5. In said:

    * =================================
    North American Man/Boy Love Association NAMBLA's legal and for real !!
    USD $35/year, $50 overseas, $5 Sample to: NAMBLA Dept TB PO Box 174
    Midtown Station New York, NY 10018-0174 USA NEW WEB SITE:
    http://www.nambla.org/
    * =================================

    Who loves ya.
    Tom Hennesy
    <doe> [email hidden]
    Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
    Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

    Jan must be stressing out over this one.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
    end

  6. D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In said:

    * =================================
    North American Man/Boy Love Association NAMBLA's legal and for real !!
    USD $35/year, $50 overseas, $5 Sample to: NAMBLA Dept TB PO Box 174
    Midtown Station New York, NY 10018-0174 USA NEW WEB SITE:
    http://www.nambla.org/
    * =================================

    Who loves ya.
    Tom Hennesy
    <doe> [email hidden]
    Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
    Man Is A Herbivore!


    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

    Jan must be stressing out over this one.

    The headers are wrong, as is the sig. It ain't him.

    --

    Robert Bronsing

    Can't you see?
    It all makes perfect sense,
    expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence

    (R. Waters)

  7. In said:

    D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    In said:

    * =================================
    North American Man/Boy Love Association NAMBLA's legal and for real !!
    USD $35/year, $50 overseas, $5 Sample to: NAMBLA Dept TB PO Box 174
    Midtown Station New York, NY 10018-0174 USA NEW WEB SITE:
    http://www.nambla.org/
    * =================================

    Who loves ya.
    Tom Hennesy
    <doe> [email hidden]
    Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
    Man Is A Herbivore!


    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

    Jan must be stressing out over this one.

    The headers are wrong, as is the sig. It ain't him.

    Yeah, but even so Jan has kept quiet. No matter
    how abhorrent the position, if it *might* come from
    a "fellow alt" Jan is going to go along.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
    end

  8. (David Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rich Andrews said:

    tom hennessy <[email hidden]> wrote in news:CYL791K037887.0180787037
    @Gilgamesh-frog.org:

    Quoted message said:

    The North American Man/Boy Love Association is both political and
    educational. >
    Who loves ya.
    Tom Hennesy
    <doe> [email hidden]
    Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
    Man Is A Herbivore!


    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

    Quoted message said:

    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

    I always knew there was something fundamentally wrong with you and now I
    know what it is.

    I just wondered if that posting is a forgery -- I mean, I always
    thought "ironjustice" was about five bubbles off plumb, but I've
    never seen him express any sentiments like *those* before.

    I saw Tom complaining about forgery recently. I don't think this is
    him.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Peter Bowditch said:
    (David Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rich Andrews said:

    tom hennessy <[email hidden]> wrote in news:CYL791K037887.0180787037
    @Gilgamesh-frog.org:

    > The North American Man/Boy Love Association is both political and
    > educational. >
    > Who loves ya.
    > Tom Hennesy
    > <doe> [email hidden]
    > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
    > Man Is A Herbivore!
    http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
    > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    > http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking
    >

    I always knew there was something fundamentally wrong with you and now I
    know what it is.

    I just wondered if that posting is a forgery -- I mean, I always
    thought "ironjustice" was about five bubbles off plumb, but I've
    never seen him express any sentiments like *those* before.

    I saw Tom complaining about forgery recently. I don't think this is
    him.

    No, it probably isn't. Calling someone a pedophile is an old Usenet
    tactic to embarrass or discredit your enemies.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  10. In said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I saw Tom complaining about forgery recently. I don't think this is
    him.

    No, it probably isn't. Calling someone a pedophile is an old Usenet
    tactic to embarrass or discredit your enemies.

    Well, yes, but it often works in reverse.
    There are those among us who were called paedophiles
    by Grubor, which was a mark of some distinction. One
    of my regrets was that I never quite got him to call
    me one.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
    end

  11. "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:jsfc41-
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Well, yes, but it often works in reverse.
    There are those among us who were called paedophiles
    by Grubor, which was a mark of some distinction. One
    of my regrets was that I never quite got him to call
    me one.

    He merely called me a "probable homosexual" in his (in)famous list. But
    then again, I did manage to actually get him to shut up, at least with
    respect to me. During a debate in one of the net-abuse groups, he informed
    me that he was a PUBLISHER and he was going to produce a book listing
    net.[censored] and that I was likely to be in it. My reply was simply "Is
    there a charge to be listed?"

  12. "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:jsfc41-
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Well, yes, but it often works in reverse.
    There are those among us who were called paedophiles
    by Grubor, which was a mark of some distinction. One
    of my regrets was that I never quite got him to call
    me one.

    He merely called me a "probable homosexual" in his (in)famous list. But
    then again, I did manage to actually get him to shut up, at least with
    respect to me. During a debate in one of the net-abuse groups, he


    informed

    Quoted message said:

    me that he was a PUBLISHER and he was going to produce a book listing
    net.[censored] and that I was likely to be in it. My reply was simply "Is
    there a charge to be listed?"

    This is the equivalent of having an odious webpage about you, or having Jan
    call you a liar.

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Markus Proberteous said:

    "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He merely called me a "probable homosexual" in his (in)famous list. But
    then again, I did manage to actually get him to shut up, at least with
    respect to me. During a debate in one of the net-abuse groups, he


    informed

    Quoted message said:

    me that he was a PUBLISHER and he was going to produce a book listing
    net.[censored] and that I was likely to be in it. My reply was simply "Is
    there a charge to be listed?"

    This is the equivalent of having an odious webpage about you,

    Ah, yes, as Ilena frequently creates for her enemies.

    Quoted message said:

    or having Jan
    call you a liar.

    I'd worry if Jan didn't call me a liar...
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  14. "Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Markus Proberteous said:

    "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He merely called me a "probable homosexual" in his (in)famous list.


    But

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    then again, I did manage to actually get him to shut up, at least with
    respect to me. During a debate in one of the net-abuse groups, he


    informed

    Quoted message said:

    me that he was a PUBLISHER and he was going to produce a book listing
    net.[censored] and that I was likely to be in it. My reply was simply


    "Is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    there a charge to be listed?"

    This is the equivalent of having an odious webpage about you,

    Ah, yes, as Ilena frequently creates for her enemies.

    Quoted message said:

    or having Jan
    call you a liar.

    I'd worry if Jan didn't call me a liar...

    Me 2 X 2

  15. In said:


    "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:jsfc41-
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Well, yes, but it often works in reverse.
    There are those among us who were called paedophiles
    by Grubor, which was a mark of some distinction. One
    of my regrets was that I never quite got him to call
    me one.

    He merely called me a "probable homosexual" in his (in)famous list. But
    then again, I did manage to actually get him to shut up, at least with
    respect to me. During a debate in one of the net-abuse groups, he


    informed

    Quoted message said:

    me that he was a PUBLISHER and he was going to produce a book listing
    net.[censored] and that I was likely to be in it. My reply was simply "Is
    there a charge to be listed?"

    This is the equivalent of having an odious webpage about you, or having Jan
    call you a liar.

    No, Jan isn't even remotely in Grubor's league.
    Grubor at least had standards; Jan calls *everyone* a liar.

    --
    | Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
    | it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
    | for new products or new versions of existing products." |
    end

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