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  1. Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope. And many in this forum
    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

  2. Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope. And many in this forum
    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

  3. Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope. And many in this forum
    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

  4. Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope. And many in this forum
    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

  5. Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope. And many in this forum
    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

  6. Quoted message said:

    Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope.

    Lance is white??

    Steve

    And many in this forum

    Quoted message said:

    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

    --
    Cut the nonsense to reply

  7. Quoted message said:

    Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope.

    Lance is white??

    Steve

    And many in this forum

    Quoted message said:

    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

    --
    Cut the nonsense to reply

  8. Quoted message said:

    Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope.

    Lance is white??

    Steve

    And many in this forum

    Quoted message said:

    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

    --
    Cut the nonsense to reply

  9. Quoted message said:

    Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope.

    Lance is white??

    Steve

    And many in this forum

    Quoted message said:

    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

    --
    Cut the nonsense to reply

  10. Quoted message said:

    Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope.

    Lance is white??

    Steve

    And many in this forum

    Quoted message said:

    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

    --
    Cut the nonsense to reply

  11. Quoted message said:

    Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope.

    Lance is white??

    Steve

    And many in this forum

    Quoted message said:

    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

    --
    Cut the nonsense to reply

  12. Quoted message said:

    Al,

    One of the contentions of the Lance "Nay-sayers", is that cycling is
    generally a very competitive sport, meaning that it is exceptionally
    rare for anyone to dominate within it. Many others who have achieved
    top results (including recent TDF winners), we have found later to have
    been dopers.

    When discussing physiology, the press often talks about how there are
    "other athletes" and then there is Lance, and why he is phsiologically
    so much better than the other competitors. In reality, many of
    Lance's competitors in the TDF match (and in many cases exceed) his
    supposed geneitic superiority. When racing at this level, even the
    last guy up the mountain tends to be leagues beyond any of "us" in
    terms of fitness levels.

    Average speeds in the TDF have drastically risen (abnormally, some
    might add) since the widespread adoption and abuse of products such as
    EPO in recent years. With so many of the "lesser" athletes testing
    positive for these drugs in recent years, it leaves many insiders
    questioning the possibility that in such an artificial and drug
    infested field, how can one man rise above the artificial
    pharmacological aids and consistently outdo the others, given the
    limits of human performance and the intense competition Lance faces.

    It is as if Barry Bonds broke his own record 7 times in a row. Lance
    has been very closely linked with a wide variety of people who are well
    known to be the gurus/proponents of illegal doping advice. Do a little
    research into last year's incident where Lance chased down Simeoni
    during one of the flat stages as punishment for breaking the code of
    silence. If you are willing to dig a little deeper, and see a little
    bit more than what Phil Ligget shows you on OLN, you can see how many
    people could have the huevs to accuse Lance of being a doper. And yes,
    Lafferty would be one of those people.

    The press has taken a very "softball" approach to questioning Lance
    about the dope allegations, mainly for fear of being denied access to
    an incredible human interest story. Lance, being a cancer survivor is
    rather untouchable. He's the great white hope.

    Lance is white??

    Steve

    And many in this forum

    Quoted message said:

    believe that Lance can do no wrong...But this group has many visitors,
    including some of us who knew Lance (and his dark personality) well
    before his journey with Cancer and TDF stardom began.

    Let's just say that Lance has hired some very good publicists and has
    benefitted from those decisions immensely.

    Or perhaps you just might like to keep your head in positive territory
    (as many do, right Ken?). It is certainly far easier to believe that
    Lance is continually under the grace of God. Myself, I can not ditch
    the information I already knew about Lance, so it is harder for me to
    be a cheerleader. But I do acknowledge his immesnse accomplishments
    and even consider myself a somewhat "fan" of his. But I also know that
    pro cycling is a sick, sick sport that has been very corrupted by quite
    a few unsportsmanlike people.

    al said:
    Ernst Noch said:

    also content that LA is _not_ the best racer ever (there's some other
    european dude mentioned frequently)

    I would not know anything about "the best racer ever", given as I noted
    earlier that I have not followed bike racing before this year, but I do
    know, as must even the most casual observer, that winning as demanding
    a competition as the tour must be, seven years in a row, is a special
    achievement; one that I am not sure has been or could be rivaled in any
    other competitive arena, with the exception of a future "tour" champion
    winning more.

    --
    Cut the nonsense to reply

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