Nagging Hip Injury

I had somewhat same injury as the Physical Therapist diagnosed mine as a hip
flexor. Mine stayed in the hip area and never radiated down my leg to the
knee. I converted to the elipical trainer for 4 weeks and tried running
again. Still felt pain in my right hip area. Went back to the elipical for 5
weeks and have been running since w/o pain (over a year).

The PT did give me a new exercise "the Russell Stretch" which I do 4 times a
week. Hard to explain but you will find some pictures/how to do on the
internet. Basically it stretches the hip flexor muscle.

Good luck on your recovery.

Kevin

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I'm a beginner/novice/whatever. Been running since January. 45 years

old,

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5' 10", 150 lbs. I WAS in the 30 mpw range, with long runs of 12 or 13
miles.

Went on vacation and couldn't run any long distances, but still got in 20
miles, then came home and did a 10K in 48:55, which was the fastest I've
ever run at a sustained distance. I was very happy with the time and the
way I ran. I literally had nothing left at the end, but wasn't feeling
pain, just fatigue. This was on June 26th.

On the Monday after that, I ran 6 miles and noticed a pain in my left hip.
ITBS, I thought, except for the fact that it only hurts badly when I start
running. Not incredible pain, but enough to affect my gait for the first
mile. After a mile or so, it calms down and doesn't bother me anymore.
Sometimes the pain radiates down the front of m thigh and into my knee.

I don't think it's ITBS, since, when I stop, the pain is not there.

So, I've been hobbling for the last 3 weeks or so, running anyway, but
dropping my long run distance to 9 miles or so. Last week, though, it was
so bad/annoying/whatever, I ran 4 on Monday, and then took T-F off. Well,
lets say I started to run each day, felt the pain, and decided to stop.

On Saturday, I was scheduled to run 11 with my group (training for the

MCM).

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I did. Pretty much with no pain at all. I took Sunday off since I was a
little sore, it had been a while since I ran that distance, after all.
Excellent! I thought. The hip problem has gone away.

Wrong.

On Monday morning, the hip problem was back, albeit less, and I ran 6 1/2.
Today, Tuesday, it was still there. So, I elected to ride my bike to at
least keep in some type of aerobic shape. But, I can't keep up this way

and

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continue to run, and run long, only once a week.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jeff.

I don't know what it is, but it's not going to go away if you keep
running on it. You're just going to have to bite the bullet and take a
couple of weeks off.

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I'm a beginner/novice/whatever. Been running since January. 45 years old,
5' 10", 150 lbs. I WAS in the 30 mpw range, with long runs of 12 or 13
miles.

Went on vacation and couldn't run any long distances, but still got in 20
miles, then came home and did a 10K in 48:55, which was the fastest I've
ever run at a sustained distance. I was very happy with the time and the
way I ran. I literally had nothing left at the end, but wasn't feeling
pain, just fatigue. This was on June 26th.

On the Monday after that, I ran 6 miles and noticed a pain in my left hip.
ITBS, I thought, except for the fact that it only hurts badly when I start
running. Not incredible pain, but enough to affect my gait for the first
mile. After a mile or so, it calms down and doesn't bother me anymore.
Sometimes the pain radiates down the front of m thigh and into my knee.

I don't think it's ITBS, since, when I stop, the pain is not there.

So, I've been hobbling for the last 3 weeks or so, running anyway, but
dropping my long run distance to 9 miles or so. Last week, though, it was
so bad/annoying/whatever, I ran 4 on Monday, and then took T-F off. Well,
lets say I started to run each day, felt the pain, and decided to stop.

On Saturday, I was scheduled to run 11 with my group (training for the MCM).
I did. Pretty much with no pain at all. I took Sunday off since I was a
little sore, it had been a while since I ran that distance, after all.
Excellent! I thought. The hip problem has gone away.

Wrong.

On Monday morning, the hip problem was back, albeit less, and I ran 6 1/2.
Today, Tuesday, it was still there. So, I elected to ride my bike to at
least keep in some type of aerobic shape. But, I can't keep up this way and
continue to run, and run long, only once a week.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jeff.

"JR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Get to a qualified (in practice for 20 years or more) chiropractor.
This sounds very much like a spinal alignment problem. The part where
it doesn't hurt until later on is the key.

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I'm a beginner/novice/whatever. Been running since January. 45 years old,
5' 10", 150 lbs. I WAS in the 30 mpw range, with long runs of 12 or 13
miles.

A bit on the aggressive side for your age, but not for a high school runner.
Take as many rest days as needed until healed.
You probably only tried one or two pair of shoes, perhaps not optimal.
A visit to a sports doctor or running store might suggest a better kind of shoe.

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I'm a beginner/novice/whatever. Been running since January. 45 years

old,

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5' 10", 150 lbs. I WAS in the 30 mpw range, with long runs of 12 or 13
miles.

A bit on the aggressive side for your age,

Nonsense. Except for the time frame, it that's what you mean, as in I'm
ramping up too fast, but there are certainly people who are much older than
I who run twice as much.

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Take as many rest days as needed until healed.

Well, that's part of the problem. I thought things were OK on Saturday.
Then I took another day off, and Monday morning, it was back.

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You probably only tried one or two pair of shoes, perhaps not optimal.

Ya got me there...And I have over 450 miles on this pair. I was hoping to
get to 600. It may NOT be the shoes, though.

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A visit to a sports doctor or running store might suggest a better kind of

shoe.

Well, a real running store gave me this pair, and, up until now, I've been
quite happy with them. And still am, because I'm not so sure
that they're the issue.

They're Asics Gel-Creed by the way. I was thinking of dropping down to the
2090s. Cheaper, lighter, and not built as much like a tank as the Creeds
are. I think I need some more cushioning.

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I had somewhat same injury as the Physical Therapist diagnosed mine as a

hip

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flexor.

Hmmm. I'll have to check that out. Do you mean that you had a total of 9
weeks on the eliptical? Or 4 + 1?

Not that I think I could even stomach 1 day on the eliptical.

Like I said in my original post. I biked 10 miles today with no pain at
all. I'l starting to wonder if i need some cushioning.

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The PT did give me a new exercise "the Russell Stretch" which I do 4 times

a

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week. Hard to explain but you will find some pictures/how to do on the
internet. Basically it stretches the hip flexor muscle.

I'll have to check that one out also.

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Good luck on your recovery.

Thanks.

Jeff

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I don't know what it is, but it's not going to go away if you keep
running on it. You're just going to have to bite the bullet and take a
couple of weeks off.

Hmmm. Don't know. From what I read, the large amount of injuries (of
course, not all), if you do it right, can be healed while still running.

Still, I'm almost at the point of taking a whole week off. Not looking
forward to that, though.

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Get to a qualified (in practice for 20 years or more) chiropractor.
This sounds very much like a spinal alignment problem. The part where
it doesn't hurt until later on is the key.

Did you read my post correctly? Either you didn't, or you mistyped.

I didn't say that it "doesn't hurt until later on", I said, "After a mile or
so, it calms down and doesn't bother me anymore." Exactly the opposite.

I started running again about 6 weeks ago. At the beginning, I had *exactly*
what you describe. I was running on Air Pegasus 2004's. I went to my local
running store and they put me in a pair of Asics Nimbus VI for longer
distances (8+ miles). Shouldn't you be in a pair of these bad boys, too?
Granted, I'm 4 inches taller than you and about 50 pounds heavier, but going
lighter isn't going to give you the support AND cushioning you need, right?
Can somebody confirm?
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I'm a beginner/novice/whatever. Been running since January. 45 years

old,

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5' 10", 150 lbs. I WAS in the 30 mpw range, with long runs of 12 or

13

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miles.

A bit on the aggressive side for your age,

Nonsense. Except for the time frame, it that's what you mean, as in I'm
ramping up too fast, but there are certainly people who are much older

than

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I who run twice as much.

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Take as many rest days as needed until healed.

Well, that's part of the problem. I thought things were OK on Saturday.
Then I took another day off, and Monday morning, it was back.

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You probably only tried one or two pair of shoes, perhaps not optimal.

Ya got me there...And I have over 450 miles on this pair. I was hoping to
get to 600. It may NOT be the shoes, though.

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A visit to a sports doctor or running store might suggest a better kind

of

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shoe.

Well, a real running store gave me this pair, and, up until now, I've been
quite happy with them. And still am, because I'm not so sure
that they're the issue.

They're Asics Gel-Creed by the way. I was thinking of dropping down to

the

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2090s. Cheaper, lighter, and not built as much like a tank as the Creeds
are. I think I need some more cushioning.

a chiro could help
i had a SI injury last year and he put me together , but not a spinal
injury
plodizlla

JR said:

I'm a beginner/novice/whatever. Been running since January. 45 years old,
5' 10", 150 lbs. I WAS in the 30 mpw range, with long runs of 12 or 13
miles.

Went on vacation and couldn't run any long distances, but still got in 20
miles, then came home and did a 10K in 48:55, which was the fastest I've
ever run at a sustained distance. I was very happy with the time and the
way I ran. I literally had nothing left at the end, but wasn't feeling
pain, just fatigue. This was on June 26th.

On the Monday after that, I ran 6 miles and noticed a pain in my left hip.
ITBS, I thought, except for the fact that it only hurts badly when I start
running. Not incredible pain, but enough to affect my gait for the first
mile. After a mile or so, it calms down and doesn't bother me anymore.
Sometimes the pain radiates down the front of m thigh and into my knee.

I don't think it's ITBS, since, when I stop, the pain is not there.

So, I've been hobbling for the last 3 weeks or so, running anyway, but
dropping my long run distance to 9 miles or so. Last week, though, it was
so bad/annoying/whatever, I ran 4 on Monday, and then took T-F off. Well,
lets say I started to run each day, felt the pain, and decided to stop.

On Saturday, I was scheduled to run 11 with my group (training for the MCM).
I did. Pretty much with no pain at all. I took Sunday off since I was a
little sore, it had been a while since I ran that distance, after all.
Excellent! I thought. The hip problem has gone away.

Wrong.

On Monday morning, the hip problem was back, albeit less, and I ran 6 1/2.
Today, Tuesday, it was still there. So, I elected to ride my bike to at
least keep in some type of aerobic shape. But, I can't keep up this way and
continue to run, and run long, only once a week.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jeff.

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I started running again about 6 weeks ago. At the beginning, I had

*exactly*

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what you describe. I was running on Air Pegasus 2004's. I went to my local
running store and they put me in a pair of Asics Nimbus VI for longer
distances (8+ miles).

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Shouldn't you be in a pair of these bad boys, too?

Dunno. I'm going to hit the running store SOON. Within the next week.
Doesn't make that much difference since I won't be running, BUT, I also
don't want to go to a store and try a shoe if I'm not running correctly
(like, the hip problem is affecting my gait. NOT a way to buy a shoe, I
would imagine).

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Granted, I'm 4 inches taller than you and about 50 pounds heavier, but

going

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lighter isn't going to give you the support AND cushioning you need,

right?

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Can somebody confirm?

Perhaps I was a little vauge. My shoe wear pattern is heavy on the outside
indicating supination (although I know that's not absolute). I think what I
need is not necessarily a lighter shoe, but one that is more cushioned, and
less of a stability or motion control shoe.

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"JR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Get to a qualified (in practice for 20 years or more) chiropractor.
This sounds very much like a spinal alignment problem. The part where
it doesn't hurt until later on is the key.

Did you read my post correctly? Either you didn't, or you mistyped.

I didn't say that it "doesn't hurt until later on", I said, "After a mile or
so, it calms down and doesn't bother me anymore." Exactly the opposite.

I read it, now get to a chiro immediately.

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"JR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Get to a qualified (in practice for 20 years or more) chiropractor.
This sounds very much like a spinal alignment problem. The part where
it doesn't hurt until later on is the key.

Did you read my post correctly? Either you didn't, or you mistyped.

I didn't say that it "doesn't hurt until later on", I said, "After a mile or
so, it calms down and doesn't bother me anymore." Exactly the opposite.

Misstyped.

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Nonsense. Except for the time frame, it that's what you mean, as

in I'm

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ramping up too fast, but there are certainly people who are much older than
I who run twice as much.

Uh yeah, and they built up to it gradually.

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Well, that's part of the problem. I thought things were OK on Saturday.
Then I took another day off, and Monday morning, it was back.

Your inexperience is showing. Take a week or two off, not a day or so.

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Ya got me there...And I have over 450 miles on this pair. I was hoping to
get to 600. It may NOT be the shoes, though.

Get a new pair, although hip problems are seldom your shoes.

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Well, a real running store gave me this pair, and, up until now, I've been
quite happy with them. And still am, because I'm not so sure
that they're the issue.

Yes but now that they have a worn pair to go by, they may recommend a
different shoe depending on the wear pattern.

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They're Asics Gel-Creed by the way. I was thinking of dropping down to the
2090s. Cheaper, lighter, and not built as much like a tank as the Creeds
are. I think I need some more cushioning.

2090's are one of the best shoes on the market today. Just be sure you
need MC shoes before you buy them, if you don't then this may very
well be your problem.

In article <[email hidden]>, JR

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Ya got me there...And I have over 450 miles on this pair. I was hoping to
get to 600. It may NOT be the shoes, though.

I have 3 or 4 pair of shoes I rotate through. If your heel is wearing
down on the outside back of the shoes, you may either be
a) running splay footed \ / so that your knees are not tracking as
the right angle hinges they are | |.
Your leg with knee lifted view from the side
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|
/
as seen looking down from the top without the splay
| - foot
| - thigh
as seen looking down from the top with the splay
/ - foot
| - thigh
(google at the same time: "Leroy Perry" & gontang for two articles to
look at the issue further

b) by landing on the back of the outside of the heel, you are
slightly overstriding. That means every step is a slight deceleration.
The compression takes place at the knee or in the hip.

Use shorter, quicker steps. Check out http://www.ChiRunning.com Get
the ChiRunning book.

If you want to learn proper form and style to run lightly over the
surface of the earth for the rest of your life: buy the DVD for
ChiRunning.

Danny takes you step by 180 steps/minute by step through the process so
that you understand and comprehend and have locked in your body right
posture and right form. You learn that the cadence remains the same
and only the lean from the ankle changes so that with the same cadence
you can run a 10 minute mile or a 6 minute mile. You remove any jarring
or compressionn to the joints and stop any overstride and deceleration.

Keep up informed as to what you learn and how your practice of good
form and style assists in getting you injury free.

In health and on the run,

Ozzie Gontang
Maintainer - rec.running FAQ
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/rec/rec.running.html
Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975
Mindful Running http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

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A visit to a sports doctor or running store might suggest a better kind of

shoe.

Well, a real running store gave me this pair, and, up until now, I've been
quite happy with them. And still am, because I'm not so sure
that they're the issue.

They're Asics Gel-Creed by the way. I was thinking of dropping down to the
2090s. Cheaper, lighter, and not built as much like a tank as the Creeds
are. I think I need some more cushioning.

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I think what I need is not necessarily a lighter shoe, but > one that is

more cushioned, and

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less of a stability or motion control shoe.

I thought that is what the Nimbus VI is. It's a very comfortable shoe, just
by the by. Maybe you could get away with the Landreth.

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Your leg with knee lifted view from the side

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/
as seen looking down from the top without the splay
| - foot
| - thigh
as seen looking down from the top with the splay
/ - foot
| - thigh

Man, you are REALLY skinny!

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Ya got me there...And I have over 450 miles on this pair. I was hoping

to

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get to 600. It may NOT be the shoes, though.

I have 3 or 4 pair of shoes I rotate through. If your heel is wearing
down on the outside back of the shoes, you may either be

Well, actually it is, but only recently, I think. But not all the way in
the back of the heel, but about 1 1/2 inches from the extreme back end of
the shoe. I wear a size 12, BTW. And the shoe with the worst wear is the
left one, which is the leg with the pain. But I have this sneaking
suspicion that the wear is there because of the pain, not the other way
around. Meaning, I started running different when the pain showed up.

a) running splay footed \ / so that your knees are not tracking as

Oddly enough, I AM splay footed. Don't know if it makes any difference, but
the pain is on my left leg, but the splaying is worse on my right foot.

Also, why wouldn't I have this problem from day one?

Anyway, I'll check for those other posts. Thanks.

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I think what I need is not necessarily a lighter shoe, but > one that is

more cushioned, and

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less of a stability or motion control shoe.

I thought that is what the Nimbus VI is. It's a very comfortable shoe,

just

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by the by. Maybe you could get away with the Landreth.

How about a Nimbus V? WAY less expensive, being last year's model.

Anyway, I need to get to a running store...

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