My weekend ..

elyob said:

Day 2 ... pedestrian on the road not looking as she is crossing. It's a
green light for me, so I aim behind her. She suddenly spots me in her
periphial vision, and jumps back. Brakes were covered, did collide but no
damage done and both of us remained standing. She walked off sheepishly
without saying anything.

This afternoon a woman walked across the road in front of me with her
child, which was fine. Then she suddenly gave her child a shove in the
direction of the other side of the road and stepped back very quickly,
right into my path. I hissed "Jesus Christ" into her ear as I missed it
by millimetres.

Daniele
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Cardiff CF5 1QE

D.M. Procida said:

I hissed "Jesus Christ" into her ear as I missed
it by millimetres.

She might now think you were a Jehova's Witness. Or that she'd just
witnessed the second coming: Christ on a Bike!

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Well, I went out on my bike this weekend....
Day 2 ... pedestrian on the road not looking as she is crossing. It's a
green light for me, so I aim behind her. She suddenly spots me in her
periphial vision, and jumps back. Brakes were covered, did collide but no
damage done and both of us remained standing. She walked off sheepishly
without saying anything.

Oh well, new week, new targets. Thing is, in three years I've had no
problems on a mountain bike. One month into having a road bike, about ten

of

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these sort of incidents have occured. I also don't go "hacking it" through
pedestrian areas. It's just peple don't realise you are traveling at quite

a

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pace. Oh well ...

But I take it you are learning from these experiences?
When peds suddenly become aware of an approaching bicycle they can & do
scatter in all directions, therefore you approach them with the utmost care
regardless of your thoughts on "rights of way". This is good practice even
on a mountain bike when encountering ramblers f'rinstance.
If you want to ride a road bike at some speed it's really more fulfilling to
do so on open roads normally free of peds.

Sorry to sound like a condescending, lecturing old git but I'm trying to
pass on the benefit of my experience ;-)
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Peter B said:

But I take it you are learning from these experiences?
When peds suddenly become aware of an approaching bicycle they can & do
scatter in all directions, therefore you approach them with the utmost care
regardless of your thoughts on "rights of way". This is good practice even
on a mountain bike when encountering ramblers f'rinstance.

Pah. When encountering ramblers while MTBing, the best thing to do is
see how much air time you get over the top of them. If you fail to get
any, but do manage to ride up them, you can still feel satisfied that
you've done something good for humanity! ;-)

Jon

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Well, I went out on my bike this weekend....
Day 2 ... pedestrian on the road not looking as she is crossing. It's a
green light for me, so I aim behind her. She suddenly spots me in her
periphial vision, and jumps back. Brakes were covered, did collide but no
damage done and both of us remained standing. She walked off sheepishly
without saying anything.

Oh well, new week, new targets. Thing is, in three years I've had no
problems on a mountain bike. One month into having a road bike, about ten

of

Quoted message said:

these sort of incidents have occured. I also don't go "hacking it"
through
pedestrian areas. It's just peple don't realise you are traveling at
quite

a

Quoted message said:

pace. Oh well ...

But I take it you are learning from these experiences?
When peds suddenly become aware of an approaching bicycle they can & do
scatter in all directions, therefore you approach them with the utmost
care
regardless of your thoughts on "rights of way". This is good practice even
on a mountain bike when encountering ramblers f'rinstance.
If you want to ride a road bike at some speed it's really more fulfilling
to
do so on open roads normally free of peds.

Sorry to sound like a condescending, lecturing old git but I'm trying to
pass on the benefit of my experience ;-)

To be even more condescending, cycling is like women. I'm always learning.

Rule #1, I'm not Lance Armstrong and at no point should I ever consider
myself to be even close.

I think I'm still talking about cycling ....

D.M. Procida said:

I hissed "Jesus Christ" into her ear as I missed it
by millimetres.

Why?

--
Mark.
http://tranchant.plus.com/

Mark Tranchant said:

D.M. Procida said:

I hissed "Jesus Christ" into her ear as I missed it
by millimetres.

Why?

To remind her whom she might get to meet if she makes a habit of playing
the fool on the roads.

Daniele
--
Apple Juice www.apple-juice.co.uk
Chapter Arts Centre
Market Road
Cardiff CF5 1QE

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But I take it you are learning from these experiences?
When peds suddenly become aware of an approaching bicycle they can & do
scatter in all directions, therefore you approach them with the utmost
care regardless of your thoughts on "rights of way". This is good
practice even on a mountain bike when encountering ramblers
f'rinstance.

Huh! Redsocks. Don't talk to _me_ about redsocks. Come up behind them -
spread out across the whole width of the road in line abreast, naturally
- pinging bell madly. No response. Brake to a halt with characteristic
Hope disc sound effects. Female redsock turns round and says 'Bell,
please' in a condescending voice. What the $£%"^$£ did she _think_ that
mad pinging sound was?

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Huh! Redsocks. Don't talk to _me_ about redsocks. Come up behind them -
spread out across the whole width of the road in line abreast, naturally
- pinging bell madly. No response. Brake to a halt with characteristic
Hope disc sound effects. Female redsock turns round and says 'Bell,
please' in a condescending voice. What the $£%"^$£ did she _think_ that
mad pinging sound was?

"Since you don't listen to this: <fx:bell>, maybe this will help you:
<fx:AirZooouuuuuuund>". I did this very thing yesterday, well without any
of the talking since the woman paid exactly zero attention to my bell.

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Huh! Redsocks. Don't talk to _me_ about redsocks. Come up behind them -
spread out across the whole width of the road in line abreast, naturally
- pinging bell madly. No response. Brake to a halt with characteristic
Hope disc sound effects. Female redsock turns round and says 'Bell,
please' in a condescending voice. What the $£%"^$£ did she _think_ that
mad pinging sound was?

Ramblers are fine by me ever since a group flagged us down years ago. I was
expecting them to whinge about our speed but instead it was to warn us about
some ice on a steep downhill tarmac section we were about to go on to. In
the event we dismounted and found we could barely stand up on the ice.
I would have to say we don't have a problem with genuine (redsock) ramblers.
However I've had the bell being a legal requirement comment made by more
casual walkers and after stopping to correct them on one occasion the
discussion rapidly deteriorated to where the male one threatened to poke a
stick through my front wheel thus handing me the moral high ground from
which I could state that threatening me *is* against the law.
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Pete
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Peter B said:

after stopping to correct
them on one occasion the discussion rapidly deteriorated

It's amazing how that happens; how people's behaviour rapdily worsens when
they realise they're in the wrong.

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Ramblers are fine by me ever since a group flagged us down years ago.

And some of us are in both the Ramblers and the CTC!

Cheers, helen s

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Ramblers are fine by me ever since a group flagged us down
years ago.

And some of us are in both the Ramblers and the CTC!

Cheers, helen s

When I'm on foot in the hills I like to stop and give cyclists plenty
of room and a cheery wave. It seems to surprise a lot of them.
And Simon I've got red socks. ;-)

I do like to go walking in the countryside a lot but I've never
considered myself as a rambler. The word rambler makes me think of a
gentle stroll where as I like to keep a decent speed up. I have been
known to cover more than 30 miles in one day on foot.
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Peter B said:

after stopping to correct
them on one occasion the discussion rapidly deteriorated

It's amazing how that happens; how people's behaviour rapdily worsens when
they realise they're in the wrong.

Nah, human nature. Let me give you an example .... the Dubya Bush empire.

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At one stage, for about 3/4 of a mile, we had to walk on a shared use
path. It was Sunday afternoon so there were lots of cyclists (mainly
family groups) out for a ride but it was obvious that some people in
my group either had NO IDEA that there may be a bicycle on the path
(despite ample signage) or maybe they had the impression that cyclists
can magically bunny-hop over groups of wandering ramblers. It was
starting to wind me up!

One of the walkers is also a cyclist and he, alone, had a clue about
how bl**dy inconvenient shared use paths are to all users!

This mixing of cycling and rambling sounds dangerous.

IME cycling off-road in areas frequented by ramblers isn't problematical.
Purpose created mixed use paths are a different matter and not just because
of peds, only too often cyclists approaching from ahead inexplicably move to
their right hand side to end up on a collision course.
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At one stage, for about 3/4 of a mile, we had to walk on a shared
use
path. It was Sunday afternoon so there were lots of cyclists
(mainly family groups) out for a ride but it was obvious that some
people in my group either had NO IDEA that there may be a bicycle on
the path (despite ample signage) or maybe they had the impression
that cyclists
can magically bunny-hop over groups of wandering ramblers. It was
starting to wind me up!

One of the walkers is also a cyclist and he, alone, had a clue about
how bl**dy inconvenient shared use paths are to all users!

This mixing of cycling and rambling sounds dangerous.

IME cycling off-road in areas frequented by ramblers isn't
problematical.
Purpose created mixed use paths are a different matter and not just
because of peds, only too often cyclists approaching from ahead
inexplicably move to their right hand side to end up on a collision
course.

A frightening number of cyclists, too, think there's a 'pass to
starboard' rule on cyclepaths.

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> At one stage, for about 3/4 of a mile, we had to walk on a shared
> use
> path. It was Sunday afternoon so there were lots of cyclists
> (mainly family groups) out for a ride but it was obvious that some
> people in my group either had NO IDEA that there may be a bicycle on
> the path (despite ample signage) or maybe they had the impression
> that cyclists
> can magically bunny-hop over groups of wandering ramblers. It was
> starting to wind me up!
>
> One of the walkers is also a cyclist and he, alone, had a clue about
> how bl**dy inconvenient shared use paths are to all users!

This mixing of cycling and rambling sounds dangerous.

IME cycling off-road in areas frequented by ramblers isn't
problematical.
Purpose created mixed use paths are a different matter and not just
because of peds, only too often cyclists approaching from ahead
inexplicably move to their right hand side to end up on a collision
course.

A frightening number of cyclists, too, think there's a 'pass to
starboard' rule on cyclepaths.

According to a friend who is a runner, he says that this is the norm for
running. Something to do with running against the traffic on a road.

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A frightening number of cyclists, too, think there's a 'pass to
starboard' rule on cyclepaths.

Dunno about actual applicable rules but sticking to convention takes the
guesswork out of it.
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A frightening number of cyclists, too, think there's a 'pass to
starboard' rule on cyclepaths.

Dunno about actual applicable rules but sticking to convention takes
the guesswork out of it.

Yebbut, on the roads in Britain it's usual to ride on the /left/. I'd
have thought that might be applicable to cyclepaths as well, wouldn't
you?

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