My take at the binary/non binary issue, re: my rig

amirm said:

The "my rig" thread prompted an interesting observation for me. I posted
a picture to that thread, and naturally, I wish to express my views
here. (snip) Cheers, Amir.

Eloquently stated Amir

The initial thread showed the issue to be more of a basi
technology problem vs. the general lack of common sense & battlin
egos via internet

Our two cents: wish someone would develop "ironic" or "mildl
sarcastic" fonts for express use on forums and usergroups. Sure as hel
would curtail most convoluted arguments, pointless hissy fits and ego
driven tanties

Would love to post pics of my bikes here, but unfortunately they coul
bewilder cyclists of of a more serious persuasion...:

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amirm said:

The "my rig" thread prompted an interesting observation for me. I

posted

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a picture to that thread, and naturally, I wish to express my

views

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here. (snip) Cheers, Amir.

After all this discussion though.. did any pictures actually
make it to the aus.bicycles newsgroup? I've not seen one.
Perhaps my ISP's news server strips them out - do other
people have images appearing in their newsreader?

hippy

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amirm said:

The "my rig" thread prompted an interesting observation for me. I

posted

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a picture to that thread, and naturally, I wish to express my

views

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here. (snip) Cheers, Amir.

After all this discussion though.. did any pictures actually
make it to the aus.bicycles newsgroup? I've not seen one.
Perhaps my ISP's news server strips them out - do other
people have images appearing in their newsreader?

hippy

If you have a modern graphical commercial type reader then you should be
able to view binaries.

Pete

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The "my rig" thread prompted an interesting observation for me. I
posted a picture to that thread, and naturally, I wish to express my
views here.

I have not been warned about incompatibilities

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with aus.bicycle, so I don't feel responsible for any incompatibility
(by the way, the FAQ link leads to a brief page with no note on this
matter, and extra links provided within the FAQ do not talk about the
"no no" binary/non-binary matter). Thirdly, if the setup between the
cyclingforums.com and the aus.bicycle is likely to cause any proplems,
the matter is to be brought to the respective staff's attention so that
any necessary adjustments would be made. Therefore, in my view, no one
is entitled to lecture other forum users in an authorative manner.

There is not an incompatibility with aus.bicycle in regard to binary images
and the like. It is a usenet thing. There are plethora of FAQ's, HOWTOs
and guides on how to post to USENet Groups. Do a google search and you will
find more than a lifetime of reading.
http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html#ss2.1 talks of uk.* but same
everywhere. There are groups where you can post binaries. You will find
groups labelled with a binaries extenstion. Say you would have a group
called aus.bicycle.binaries. This is to warn those people using text based
news readers to steer clear. Back in the good old days people could
download binaries from these groups with their special software to do so.
Not everyone uses Microsoft software or newsreaders that can see graphics.
In fact the USENet has been around a lot longer than MS Windows.

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And Oh! Someone scared me so bad about the consequences I almost c****ed
my pants... We need to come down, don't we?

Dont know why they did that. Just a USENET nazi who believes they have
never made a mistake like this. Dont take it to heart. Chances are they
have a miserable life. Dont let them get you down. You are right. The
admin of your forum server should strip out all but text if its being posted
to newsgroups.

cheers
Pete

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The "my rig" thread prompted an interesting observation for me. I
posted a picture to that thread, and naturally, I wish to express my
views here.

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And Oh! Someone scared me so bad about the consequences I almost c****ed
my pants... We need to come down, don't we?

Cheers, Amir.

Where is the post that scared you. I cannot find it. However Bigpond is
not very good at newsgroups and could have got lost. All I could see was
the truth. An ISP could chuck your account if people complained. (they
have done before). Chin up. Honest mistake and all they wouldnt ditch you
for that. If you ignored it people can get snippy. USENET is supposed to be
a text based forum.

Apparently there is a FAQ on CyclingForums that explains this.

cheers
Pete

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 04:17:51 GMT, "John Doe" <[email hidden]>

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And Oh! Someone scared me so bad about the consequences I almost c****ed
my pants... We need to come down, don't we?

Dont know why they did that. Just a USENET nazi who believes they have
never made a mistake like this.

Oh dear. I think he was referring to me. I'm not a USENET nazi. I was
simply pointing out, politely but to the point, I felt, the
consequences of continuing to post binaries to this group after
several (I think I counted four or five) more gentle requests to
desist. I was thinking that we had attracted someone who was going to
ignore all requests to follow usenet etiquette. I hadn't taken into
account that the requests to desist might not have arrived at
cyclingforums before the repeated attempts to post a binary. For this
I apologise.

At least mine got his attention :-)

It is not unknown for ISPs to stop carrying non-binary groups that
have binaries in them. And it's such a pain to have to use Google or
other web based interfaces.

And yes, I have never ever posted a binary to a non-binary group. I
don't do HTML posts. And I only top-post in groups where it's the
standard. I brush my teeth after every meal and I hardly ever get
roaring drunk. Oh yeah ... I also use a real news client, a real ftp
client and a real email client. I used to code using Assembler and
Algol and I wrote user documentation using HTML in 1982. In spite of
all that, I do have a life.

amirm and braso, don't get put off posting here. We are friendly most
of the time.

As for the ebay bike being a genuine price, I know someone with a
genuine US Postal Service team issue Trek 5900 that cost him around
$2800, I think. Maybe it was only $1800. He bought it (one year old)
from a team member. This bike has the big Shimano graphics on the
cranks, brake levers, etc. I also know someone with a lovely steel
Gios/Record bike (cromed lugs and all) that cost him about $1500. How
about <$3000 for a new Colnago C40 with Campag Veloce? There are
bargains out there :-)

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Richard.

Originally posted by John Do

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Where is the post that scared you. I cannot find it

john doe I think this is the post refered to

Originally posted by Dr

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Don't try to divert attention from your stupidity. Binary newsgroup
invariably have "binary" in their name. If you'd done any homework a
all on Usenet etiquette you'd know that and also know that newsgroup
are presumed to be non-binary by default. Posting binaries to non
binary groups is a clear breach of any reputable ISP's Acceptable Us
Policy (AUP) and you can lose your account by doing so. That, i
nothing else, should persuade you this is not a trivial matter

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Where is the post that scared you. I cannot find it. However
Bigpond is not very good at newsgroups and could have got lost. All
I could see was the truth. An ISP could chuck your account if people
complained.

According to you that truth was posted by a "USENET nazi". Make your mind
up. Telling someone something they need to hear does not make one a Nazi of
any description.

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amirm said:

The "my rig" thread prompted an interesting observation for me. I
posted a picture to that thread, and naturally, I wish to express my
views here.
Basically, I came across the "aus.bicycle" through my membership of the
"cyclingforums.com". The recent exchange of ideas on the above thread
made me realise the situation whereas before I posted to this discussion
group as any ordinary posting to "A" forum. Therefore, the
technicalities remained within the boundaries of a commom practice known
as "the way we post threads to a forum". The interesting point for me is
that the forum is providing access to the aus.bicycle, which by nature
has particular requirements. And this has not been clearly signposted.
The issue of posting a picture to me has been an ordinary matter as a
forum user. Forum users post tonnes of images to their forum threads on
a regular basis. It was initially confusing that why some people started
yelling about the binary/non-binary stuff when there was even a set up
in the new message compose page to facilitate attaching a picture. I
think braso shared the same view.
Now, it's better to keep separate issues separate. Firstly, if sending a
pic to the cyclinforums.com has inadvertantly caused trouble for some
aus.bicycle users, then I feel sorry about that. Secondly, as a
cyclingforums.com member, I have not been warned about incompatibilities
with aus.bicycle, so I don't feel responsible for any incompatibility
(by the way, the FAQ link leads to a brief page with no note on this
matter, and extra links provided within the FAQ do not talk about the
"no no" binary/non-binary matter). Thirdly, if the setup between the
cyclingforums.com and the aus.bicycle is likely to cause any proplems,
the matter is to be brought to the respective staff's attention so that
any necessary adjustments would be made. Therefore, in my view, no one
is entitled to lecture other forum users in an authorative manner.
And Oh! Someone scared me so bad about the consequences I almost c****ed
my pants... We need to come down, don't we?
Cheers, Amir.

I'm just posting to recap a few things (according to importance)

As I was saying before, it is not satisfying to be able to post to
forum that gateways to a usenet when this sort of details are involved
However, the only way is up, and while I don't wish to change anythin
in regards to my membership at the cyclingforums.com, I do certainly no
like to limit my access to the wealth available at the aus.bicycles. O
the other hand, I would like to exploit of communication with peopl
over at the usenet by being able to share images. As a result, I hav
approached the cyclingforums.com, and hopefully in the near future w
will be able to do share images without upsetting the non-binary users
I am impressed with the positive attitude of the administrators over a
cyclingforums.com on this matter

Now, coming back to this thread, my initial intention was to express m
views about the situation, especially that I was not the one to whom th
unfriendly advice was initially directed. I am pleased that the messag
seems to have got across. Remember that a good intention should remai
good, and my attitude should not, and would not change just becaus
someone is not necessarily have the verbal ethiquette whil
communicating

This is an old issue not worthy of spending any more time on

Cheers, and looking forward to fun threads

Amir

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Where is the post that scared you. I cannot find it. However
Bigpond is not very good at newsgroups and could have got lost. All
I could see was the truth. An ISP could chuck your account if people
complained.

According to you that truth was posted by a "USENET nazi". Make your mind
up. Telling someone something they need to hear does not make one a Nazi

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Yes well I went and looked at the thread after I wrote the first email to
look at the abuse. I could not find anyone. First to admit I made a
mistake.

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aus.bicycles. On
the other hand, I would like to exploit of communication with people
over at the usenet by being able to share images. As a result, I have
approached the cyclingforums.com, and hopefully in the near future we
will be able to do share images without upsetting the non-binary
users.

That's why your ISP gives you all those megabytes for your homepages.

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the message seems to have got across. Remember that a good intention
should remain good,

Road to hell, paving...

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Drs said:

Road to hell, paving...

Drs, you've posted requests for information t
aus.bicycle/forum/usergroup/whatever/ in the recent past and have bee
duly treated by other users with respect and shared knowledge. Sto
getting your knick(er)s in a knot over such trival stuff....:

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Drs said:

Road to hell, paving...

Drs, you've posted requests for information to
aus.bicycle/forum/usergroup/whatever/ in the recent past and have been

How would you know? You don't even know what a newsgroup is, much less what
my posting history is in this one or how I've been treated here. Moreover,
I always show every other user the courtesy of formatting my posts
correctly.

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duly treated by other users with respect and shared knowledge. Stop
getting your knick(er)s in a knot over such trival stuff....:p

People have lost their Internet accounts for this exact behaviour in the
past, which is how it should be. It's not trivial at all.

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hippy said:

After all this discussion though.. did any pictures actually
make it to the aus.bicycles newsgroup? I've not seen one.
Perhaps my ISP's news server strips them out - do other
people have images appearing in their newsreader?

I never saw any either 🙁

-kt

Baka Dasai said:

What hippy was referring to was the practice of network
administrators stripping posts that contain binaries from the
newsfeed. This is what happens with the news server I am using.
It's not that there are no pictures - the posts that contain the
pictures get deleted by the administrator before anybody can see
them. This is fairly common.

Actually, I don't think it's that manual - they probably just
junk posts over a particular size. That's probably why I can't
post the FAQ anymore.

-kt

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Actually, I don't think it's that manual - they probably just
junk posts over a particular size. That's probably why I can't
post the FAQ anymore.

How big was it?

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Drs said:

amirm <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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aus.bicycles. On the other hand, I would like to exploit of
communication with people over at the usenet by being able to share
images. As a result, I have approached the cyclingforums.com, and
hopefully in the near future we will be able to do share images
without upsetting the non- binary users.

That's why your ISP gives you all those megabytes for your homepages.
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the message seems to have got across. Remember that a good intention
should remain good,

Road to hell, paving...
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amirm said:

The "my rig" thread prompted an interesting observation for me. I

posted

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a picture to that thread, and naturally, I wish to express my

views

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here. (snip) Cheers, Amir.

After all this discussion though.. did any pictures actually
make it to the aus.bicycles newsgroup? I've not seen one.
Perhaps my ISP's news server strips them out - do other
people have images appearing in their newsreader?

None arrived at Internode's. I take it that Cyclingforum doesn't post the
bins to the ngs.

Cheers,
j

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Actually, I don't think it's that manual - they probably just
junk posts over a particular size. That's probably why I can't
post the FAQ anymore.

How big was it?

36k

Seems a little small really, I thought the limit from the 'old-days'
was 64k anyways.... *shrug* I need a new news server anyway,
the one that Dart Internet supplies missplaces about 5-10% of posts.
The first time I complained, they asked me what the IP address of
the _news_group_ was that I was connecting to 🙂

Certainly doesn't inspire confidence.

-kt