My old bike

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So where did the 14 seconds come from?

those fully aged tubular tires. no doubt about it!

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I finally got my vintage ride back together today. Over the years it
had accumulated a few non-period (and non-Italian!) parts and in
general wasn't getting the love it deserves. So I binged on Italian NOS
parts and put it back to it's former glory.

As a thank you, it gave me a 14 second improvement on my local 10km TT
over my "real" bike.

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So where did the 14 seconds come from? 32 vs 36 spokes? 177.5mm vs
175mm? Or the cookies I had for lunch?

Joseph

Dear Joseph,

A 14-second improvement amounts to less than a 2% difference on a 10
km TT course.

Some likely suspects are the new-toy effect, faintly favorable winds,
slightly improved wind-drag from a different posture, and those
cookies that you had for lunch. (Chocolate-chip is to cookies as red
is to bicycles).

It could also be some mechanical detail on your bike, such as fewer
spokes (or remembering to pump the tires up).

Assuming that you put out a convenient 500 watts on the drops (like
any RBT poster) and match the other defaults perfectly (despite your
size), we can use this calculator with 6.2 miles:

http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm

The calculator predicts a convenient 30.0 mph and 10 km in 12:24, or
744 seconds.

Reducing 744 seconds to 730 seconds is about a 2% drop and can be
achieved by adding a 0.9 mph tailwind that raises the speed to 30.6
mph. (Blank the speed and change the wind to -0.9.)

For riders who inexplicably put out less than 500 watts, the speed is
lower, the time is longer, and the 14-second difference is an even
smaller improvement.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I finally got my vintage ride back together today. Over the years it
had accumulated a few non-period (and non-Italian!) parts and in
general wasn't getting the love it deserves. So I binged on Italian NOS
parts and put it back to it's former glory.

As a thank you, it gave me a 14 second improvement on my local 10km TT
over my "real" bike.

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Quoted message said:

So where did the 14 seconds come from? 32 vs 36 spokes? 177.5mm vs
175mm? Or the cookies I had for lunch?

Joseph

Dear Joseph,

A 14-second improvement amounts to less than a 2% difference on a 10
km TT course.

Some likely suspects are the new-toy effect, faintly favorable winds,
slightly improved wind-drag from a different posture, and those
cookies that you had for lunch. (Chocolate-chip is to cookies as red
is to bicycles).

It could also be some mechanical detail on your bike, such as fewer
spokes (or remembering to pump the tires up).

Assuming that you put out a convenient 500 watts on the drops (like
any RBT poster) and match the other defaults perfectly (despite your
size), we can use this calculator with 6.2 miles:

http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm

The calculator predicts a convenient 30.0 mph and 10 km in 12:24, or
744 seconds.

Reducing 744 seconds to 730 seconds is about a 2% drop and can be
achieved by adding a 0.9 mph tailwind that raises the speed to 30.6
mph. (Blank the speed and change the wind to -0.9.)

For riders who inexplicably put out less than 500 watts, the speed is
lower, the time is longer, and the 14-second difference is an even
smaller improvement.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Wrong answer. It was obviously the aero seatpost.

Joseph

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I finally got my vintage ride back together today. Over the years it
had accumulated a few non-period (and non-Italian!) parts and in
general wasn't getting the love it deserves. So I binged on Italian

NOS

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parts and put it back to it's former glory.

As a thank you, it gave me a 14 second improvement on my local 10km

TT

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over my "real" bike.

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Quoted message said:

So where did the 14 seconds come from? 32 vs 36 spokes? 177.5mm vs
175mm? Or the cookies I had for lunch?

Joseph

Dear Joseph,

A 14-second improvement amounts to less than a 2% difference on a 10
km TT course.

Some likely suspects are the new-toy effect, faintly favorable winds,
slightly improved wind-drag from a different posture, and those
cookies that you had for lunch. (Chocolate-chip is to cookies as red
is to bicycles).

It could also be some mechanical detail on your bike, such as fewer
spokes (or remembering to pump the tires up).

Assuming that you put out a convenient 500 watts on the drops (like
any RBT poster) and match the other defaults perfectly (despite your
size), we can use this calculator with 6.2 miles:

http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm

The calculator predicts a convenient 30.0 mph and 10 km in 12:24, or
744 seconds.

Reducing 744 seconds to 730 seconds is about a 2% drop and can be
achieved by adding a 0.9 mph tailwind that raises the speed to 30.6
mph. (Blank the speed and change the wind to -0.9.)

For riders who inexplicably put out less than 500 watts, the speed is
lower, the time is longer, and the 14-second difference is an even
smaller improvement.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Wrong answer. It was obviously the aero seatpost.

Joseph

Nice bike. Carl is just looking for a bridge to stand under.... ;-)

Chas.

Wow, you really got an extravagant curve on those brake cables!

She's a beauty -- enjoy!

VERY nice...a life time bike!!!

Quoted message said:

I finally got my vintage ride back together today. Over the years it
had accumulated a few non-period (and non-Italian!) parts and in
general wasn't getting the love it deserves. So I binged on Italian NOS
parts and put it back to it's former glory.

As a thank you, it gave me a 14 second improvement on my local 10km TT
over my "real" bike.

Here are some pics:

http://arbitrary.org/Tommasini/Tommasini.html

Specs:

Tommasini Super Prestige SPX (bought new in '86 at Roy's Sheapshead Bay
Cycles)
C-Record/Record Strada 32 DT 14ga wheels (bought new in '86 at R&A
Cycles in Brooklyn)
Vittoria Comp Pro of unknown vintage
Cinelli 66-42 w/ 14cm Cinelli 1A stem (original)
NOS Ofmega headset
NOS Benotto tape
NOS yellow cable housing
C-Record brake levers (original)
Super Record calipers (original)
NOS C-Record friction levers and cables
C-Record 177.5mm 53-42 cranks (original)
2006 AC-H 111mm BB
NOS Regina Oro chain (Waxed!)
NOS Regina Oro BX 13-23 freewheel
used C-Record rear derailleur
Victory(?) front derailleur (original)
NOS Gipiemme Dual Sprint pedals
NOS Ale Torino toe-clips
NOS Cobra laminated straps
NOS Campagnolo aero seatpost (Xenon? Victory?)
NOS Vetta saddle

I am very happy about the bike. When my wallet stops smoking, I have my
eye on some 3TTT bars and stem that will give me a more comfortable
position.

So where did the 14 seconds come from? 32 vs 36 spokes? 177.5mm vs
175mm? Or the cookies I had for lunch?

Joseph

Quoted message said:

I finally got my vintage ride back together today. Over the years it
had accumulated a few non-period (and non-Italian!) parts and in
general wasn't getting the love it deserves. So I binged on Italian NOS
parts and put it back to it's former glory.

As a thank you, it gave me a 14 second improvement on my local 10km TT
over my "real" bike.

Here are some pics:

http://arbitrary.org/Tommasini/Tommasini.html

Heh heh heh... suddenly it hits me - this could be the start of a new
trend in cycling.

We all know that 95% of the riders out there slavishly buy whatever
equipment it is that makes their cycling buddies/heros go faster. All
it's gonna take is a number of the faster riders showing up at the
local TTs or training rides and winning on retro-bikes before the
unwashed masses start clammoring for 1" threaded stems, tubular tires
and down tube shifters. Let someone win the TdF on a bike like that
and you won't be able to give away STI or Ergo shifters. ;-)

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Colin Campbell said:

Wow, you really got an extravagant curve on those brake cables!

She's a beauty -- enjoy!

I was only able to acquire X amount of that sweet yellow cable housing,
so I didn't want to screw up and cut them too short as then I would be
SOL.

Joseph

Mark Hickey said:

Quoted message said:

I finally got my vintage ride back together today. Over the years it
had accumulated a few non-period (and non-Italian!) parts and in
general wasn't getting the love it deserves. So I binged on Italian NOS
parts and put it back to it's former glory.

As a thank you, it gave me a 14 second improvement on my local 10km TT
over my "real" bike.

Here are some pics:

http://arbitrary.org/Tommasini/Tommasini.html

Heh heh heh... suddenly it hits me - this could be the start of a new
trend in cycling.

We all know that 95% of the riders out there slavishly buy whatever
equipment it is that makes their cycling buddies/heros go faster. All
it's gonna take is a number of the faster riders showing up at the
local TTs or training rides and winning on retro-bikes before the
unwashed masses start clammoring for 1" threaded stems, tubular tires
and down tube shifters. Let someone win the TdF on a bike like that
and you won't be able to give away STI or Ergo shifters. ;-)

It is certainly going to see some action in the club races come spring.
I first bought a modern bike a few years ago because I wanted STI. I
was in poor shape and overweight. These factors in effect amplified the
severity of all the small rolling hills I ride on. I needed to switch
gears all the time to get anywhere. STI made this frequent gear
shifting much easier. And 10 speed cluster gave me range I needed. But
now I am much stronger so these previoulsy "steep" hills no longer even
register. I also ride most of the time on a fixed 71.4" gear, so I am
now much less fazed by non-optimal cadences, so it doesn't bother me to
not shift all the time since dt shifters are a pain. Who cares? And
toe-clips and straps is a total non-issue. If I rode in a city it might
be, but to me they are just as comfortable as clipless, perhaps more
because the shoes are single layer leather and fit like a glove. I just
got back from a 4 hour ride with no discomfort whatsoever.

I don't know how much street-cred I have at my club, but there will be
some surprised folks come spring!

Joseph

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

VERY nice...a life time bike!!!

I will certainly keep it forever, and ride it a bit, but STI/Ergo was a
serioulsy big step in the evolution of bikes IMO. When I am riding a
fast audax type century type ride with my club and we are in a big
echelon/rotation/whatever-you-call-it I usually shift up a cog when I
pull off into the retreating column, and down a cog when I move into
the advancing one. I feel this makes a big difference, as well as the
ability to change gear often on moderate ascents. As long as I am
looking for speed and am riding at more or less my maximum capacity, I
think I "need" STI.

BUT... I am working on a true life-bike. It is a top secret project
for my ultimate ride. It is a vintage track bike so there is no danger
of it going past it's sell-by date, as it is nothing more than some
wheels and pedals! I'll post pics when it is done.

Joseph

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Colin Campbell said:

Wow, you really got an extravagant curve on those brake cables!

She's a beauty -- enjoy!

I was only able to acquire X amount of that sweet yellow cable housing,
so I didn't want to screw up and cut them too short as then I would be
SOL.

Joseph

They look graceful. I have mike brake cables the same way.

Chas.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I finally got my vintage ride back together today. Over the years it
had accumulated a few non-period (and non-Italian!) parts and in
general wasn't getting the love it deserves. So I binged on Italian NOS
parts and put it back to it's former glory.

As a thank you, it gave me a 14 second improvement on my local 10km TT
over my "real" bike.

Here are some pics:

http://arbitrary.org/Tommasini/Tommasini.html

Heh heh heh... suddenly it hits me - this could be the start of a new
trend in cycling.

We all know that 95% of the riders out there slavishly buy whatever
equipment it is that makes their cycling buddies/heros go faster. All
it's gonna take is a number of the faster riders showing up at the
local TTs or training rides and winning on retro-bikes before the
unwashed masses start clammoring for 1" threaded stems, tubular tires
and down tube shifters. Let someone win the TdF on a bike like that
and you won't be able to give away STI or Ergo shifters. ;-)

Mark Hickey

I ran across a head on TDF photo of Lance Armstrong with a brifter for the
rear and a downtube shifter for the front derailleur. He's halfway there.
;-)

Chas. - Pink Lycra

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Quoted message said:

Mark Hickey said:

Quoted message said:

I finally got my vintage ride back together today. Over the years it
had accumulated a few non-period (and non-Italian!) parts and in
general wasn't getting the love it deserves. So I binged on Italian

NOS

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

parts and put it back to it's former glory.

As a thank you, it gave me a 14 second improvement on my local 10km

TT

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

over my "real" bike.

Here are some pics:

http://arbitrary.org/Tommasini/Tommasini.html

Heh heh heh... suddenly it hits me - this could be the start of a new
trend in cycling.

We all know that 95% of the riders out there slavishly buy whatever
equipment it is that makes their cycling buddies/heros go faster. All
it's gonna take is a number of the faster riders showing up at the
local TTs or training rides and winning on retro-bikes before the
unwashed masses start clammoring for 1" threaded stems, tubular tires
and down tube shifters. Let someone win the TdF on a bike like that
and you won't be able to give away STI or Ergo shifters. ;-)

It is certainly going to see some action in the club races come spring.
I first bought a modern bike a few years ago because I wanted STI. I
was in poor shape and overweight. These factors in effect amplified the
severity of all the small rolling hills I ride on. I needed to switch
gears all the time to get anywhere. STI made this frequent gear
shifting much easier. And 10 speed cluster gave me range I needed. But
now I am much stronger so these previoulsy "steep" hills no longer even
register. I also ride most of the time on a fixed 71.4" gear, so I am
now much less fazed by non-optimal cadences, so it doesn't bother me to
not shift all the time since dt shifters are a pain. Who cares? And
toe-clips and straps is a total non-issue. If I rode in a city it might
be, but to me they are just as comfortable as clipless, perhaps more
because the shoes are single layer leather and fit like a glove. I just
got back from a 4 hour ride with no discomfort whatsoever.

I don't know how much street-cred I have at my club, but there will be
some surprised folks come spring!

Joseph

Similar thing happened with me. I started riding again this spring after
about five years off the bike. I put a triple and long arm derailleur on
one of my road bikes for hills. Now I hardly have to use the granny gears.
I still get dropped on the hills but now I can horse my way up a lot of
them. :-)

Chas.