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  1. I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach Diet. I am not
    pleased. Although I hate to be self centered, I am looking for practical
    advice and research that shows how my lipid studies may be improved without
    drugs. Results below:

    Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199 Triglycerides 156 0 -
    149 HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59 VLDL Cholesterol
    calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL Cholesterol calculated
    127 0 - 99
    LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2

    Thanks

    Julianne

  2. Quoted message said:

    "Julianne" [email hidden] Writes:

    Quoted message said:

    I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach Diet.
    I am not pleased. Although I hate to be self centered, I am
    looking for practical advice and research that shows how my
    lipid studies may be improved without drugs. Results below:

    Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199 Triglycerides 156 0
    - 149 HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59 VLDL Cholesterol
    calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL Cholesterol calculated
    127 0 - 99
    LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2

    What is the South Beach Diet? I would suggest some form of
    aerobic exercise, changing your diet and adding vitamin C
    and Niacin. You might consider having some more complete lab
    tests such as Apoprotein B LDL-S3GGEâ„¢ (LDL peak particle
    size, % distribution) Lipid profile (TG, TC, L-C, HDL-C)
    Lipoprotein (a) Homocysteine HDL-S10GGEâ„¢ and C-Reactive
    Protein-hs.

    Take a look at Berkeley Heart Lab at
    www.berkeleyheartlab.com

  3. Julianne said:


    I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach Diet.
    I am not pleased. Although I hate to be self centered, I
    am looking for practical advice and research that shows
    how my lipid studies may be improved without drugs.
    Results below:

    Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199

    Not optimal.

    Quoted message said:

    Triglycerides 156 0 - 149

    Not optimal. If you are overweight (with central obesity)
    and have hypertension (or fasting glucose more than 100
    mg/dL), you have metabolic syndrome (MetS).

    Quoted message said:

    HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59

    Good.

    Quoted message said:

    VLDL Cholesterol calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL
    Cholesterol calculated 127 0 - 99

    Not optimal.

    Quoted message said:

    LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2

    Not as useful as tChol/HDL ratio which optimally should be
    less than 3.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks

    Julianne

    If you are overweight which is implied by your dieting,
    losing weight definitely improves one's lipid profile.

    Would suggest you ask your doctor about the 2PD approach:

    heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    Ime, this has never failed for safe permanent (>5yrs)
    weight loss.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Is this spam?
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  4. Quoted message said:

    I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach Diet.
    I am not pleased. Although I hate to be self centered, I
    am looking for


    practical

    Quoted message said:

    advice and research that shows how my lipid studies may be
    improved


    without

    Quoted message said:

    drugs. Results below:

    Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199 Triglycerides 156 0
    - 149 HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59 VLDL Cholesterol
    calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL Cholesterol calculated
    127 0 - 99
    LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2

    Testing in initial phases of new diet plan is not a good
    idea - numbers are erratic. It is generally recommended to
    test after 3 months on new diet plan at least.

    Other than that, as SB is low-carb dieting plan, your TG
    should almost certainly drop later. That should bring down
    your VLDLs and perhaps LDLs too (they are all related - TG
    are transported by VLDL and when VLDL is emptied of TG, it
    becomes LDL). High fasting TG usually means that your body
    is converting excess carbohydrates to fat and storage of
    this fat is slowed down by insulin resistance.

    Mirek

  5. Thanks, Andrew. I have always been the poster child for
    insulin resistance when it comes to central obesity. I am
    down to 136 (5'4"😉 which is not technically overweight or
    obese but I have the typical Apple body shape. I am
    working on that.

    j "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Julianne said:


    I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach
    Diet. I am not pleased. Although I hate to be self
    centered, I am looking for


    practical

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    advice and research that shows how my lipid studies may
    be improved


    without

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    drugs. Results below:

    Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199

    Not optimal.

    Quoted message said:

    Triglycerides 156 0 - 149

    Not optimal. If you are overweight (with central obesity)
    and have hypertension (or fasting glucose more than 100
    mg/dL), you have metabolic syndrome (MetS).

    Quoted message said:

    HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59

    Good.

    Quoted message said:

    VLDL Cholesterol calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL
    Cholesterol calculated 127 0 - 99

    Not optimal.

    Quoted message said:

    LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2

    Not as useful as tChol/HDL ratio which optimally should be
    less than 3.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks

    Julianne

    If you are overweight which is implied by your dieting,
    losing weight definitely improves one's lipid profile.

    Would suggest you ask your doctor about the 2PD approach:

    heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    Ime, this has never failed for safe permanent (>5yrs)
    weight loss.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    ** Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Is this spam? makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

  6. "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach
    Diet. I am not pleased. Although I hate to be self
    centered, I am looking for


    practical

    Quoted message said:

    advice and research that shows how my lipid studies may
    be improved


    without

    Quoted message said:

    drugs. Results below:

    Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199 Triglycerides 156
    0 - 149 HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59 VLDL
    Cholesterol calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL
    Cholesterol calculated 127 0 - 99
    LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2

    Testing in initial phases of new diet plan is not a good
    idea - numbers are erratic. It is generally recommended to
    test after 3 months on new diet plan at least.

    Other than that, as SB is low-carb dieting plan, your TG
    should almost certainly drop later. That should bring down
    your VLDLs and perhaps LDLs too (they are all related - TG
    are transported by VLDL and when VLDL is emptied of TG, it
    becomes LDL). High fasting TG usually means that your body
    is converting excess carbohydrates to fat and storage of
    this fat is slowed down by insulin resistance.

    Mirek


    Thanks. I had blood drawn for another reason and they
    included the lipids. I definitely plan to retest in three to
    six months.

    j

  7. Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:
    Quoted message said:

    Triglycerides 156 0 - 149

    Not optimal. If you are overweight (with central obesity)
    and have hypertension (or fasting glucose more than 100
    mg/dL), you have metabolic syndrome (MetS).

    How does one treat the metabolic syndrome (or dysmetabolic
    syndrome). Is it possible to have the metablic syndrome with
    a really low cholesterol (total cholesterol < 130) ?

    Thanks,

    Mike

  8. Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:


    Julianne said:


    I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach
    Diet. I am not pleased. Although I hate to be self
    centered, I am looking for practical advice and research
    that shows how my lipid studies may be improved without
    drugs. Results below:

    Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199

    Not optimal.

    Quoted message said:

    Triglycerides 156 0 - 149

    Not optimal. If you are overweight (with central obesity)
    and have hypertension (or fasting glucose more than 100
    mg/dL), you have metabolic syndrome (MetS).

    Quoted message said:

    HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59

    Good.

    Quoted message said:

    VLDL Cholesterol calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL
    Cholesterol calculated 127 0 - 99

    Not optimal.

    Quoted message said:

    LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2

    Not as useful as tChol/HDL ratio which optimally should be
    less than 3.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks

    Julianne


    What would be "optimal" for who person who is most
    likely a woman?

    Consider the following which was posted here several weeks
    ago and remains unchallenged:

    "benefit to survival with statins or other cholesterol-
    lowering agents has never been demonstrated in women "

    ...in the following context.

    ========= Start quote ================

    There has never been benefit shown for many groups. “However
    benefit to survival with statins or other cholesterol-
    lowering agents has never been demonstrated in women (even
    those at high cardiac risk), in the older elderly, or in men
    at lower cardiac risk . . .” [emphasis added] – “Beatrice A.
    Golomb, MD, PhD on Statin Drugs” –
    coloradohealthsite.orgcoloradohealthsite.org
    ========= end quote ================

    If quantity `A' does not vary with quantity `B' then,
    clearly, there is no optimal `B' with respect to `A.'

    If `survival' does not vary with `cholesterol lowering
    agents' then, clearly, there is no optimal `cholesterol
    lowering' with respect to `survival.'

    So, where might "optimal" total cholesterol and "optimal"
    LDL cholesterol come from? If not science, then it must be
    Madison Avenue, no?

    Regards,
    A.L.

  9. "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach
    Diet. I am not pleased. Although I hate to be self
    centered, I am looking for


    practical

    Quoted message said:

    advice and research that shows how my lipid studies may
    be improved


    without

    Quoted message said:

    drugs. Results below:

    Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199 Triglycerides 156
    0 - 149 HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59 VLDL
    Cholesterol calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL
    Cholesterol calculated 127 0 - 99
    LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2

    Testing in initial phases of new diet plan is not a good
    idea - numbers are erratic. It is generally recommended to
    test after 3 months on new diet plan at least.

    Other than that, as SB is low-carb dieting plan, your TG
    should almost certainly drop later. That should bring down
    your VLDLs and perhaps LDLs too (they are all related - TG
    are transported by VLDL and when VLDL is emptied of TG, it
    becomes LDL). High fasting TG usually means that your body
    is converting excess carbohydrates to fat and storage of
    this fat is slowed down by insulin resistance.

    Mirek

    My triglycerides are very low. Always. Much lower than the
    above poster. I eat high carb.

    But as an experiement beginning in Dec. I added more meat
    (and red meat!) to my diet, along with butter, whole milk
    and three eggs weekly.

    Result? My tris stayed the same, so did my HDL, but my total
    cholesterol and LDL both dropped. Total from 12.59 in OCT to
    11.33 in Dec to 9.7 in April.

    I am a woman.

    Anyone want to try explaining this?

    Zee

  10. Mike (remove XX's to reply) said:
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:
    Quoted message said:

    Triglycerides 156 0 - 149

    Not optimal. If you are overweight (with central
    obesity) and have hypertension (or fasting glucose more
    than 100 mg/dL), you have metabolic syndrome (MetS).

    How does one treat the metabolic syndrome (or dysmetabolic
    syndrome).

    By being mindful of the underlying insulin resistance and
    that losing weight permanently is the only known cure.

    Quoted message said:


    Is it possible to have the metablic syndrome with a really
    low cholesterol (total cholesterol < 130) ?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks,

    You are welcome, Mike :-)

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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    Is this spam?
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  11. Quoted message said:

    How does one treat the metabolic syndrome (or dysmetabolic
    syndrome).

    Generally, by loosing weight. Dr. Chung will likely say
    you that only way how to loose weight is 2PD approach. You
    can try it.

    Anyway, my opionion is that only possibility is some kind of
    low carb plan that brings insulin control. Without that it
    will be hard to stay on plan as metabolic syndrome will make
    you hungry all the time.

    Mirek

  12. J,

    Right, 8 days isn't enough time. Your ratio (2.2) is
    excellent. What should matter to you is changes from your
    normal lipid profile. From the Harvard website the ways to
    reduce CHD risk include 1) nix saturated fat and trans fat-
    I believe South Beach would agree 2) eat oily fish or take
    fish oil capsules (3 g daily) 3) increase exercise
    4) drink moderatly. To lower your total chol, consider
    eating oatmeal, and/or adding cinnamon to your diet.
    Finally consider adding tomato paste/sauce for lycopene.
    My opinion, is that when the dust finally settles,
    Atkins, South Beach, and other low carb diets will be
    proven inferior to higer carb diets that get their carbs
    from whole grains, fruits, and veggies (but not white
    potatoes). The "Western" diet fails to be healthy because
    of the huge intake of refined grains, added sugars, white
    potatoes, saturated and trans fats. The healthiest diet
    with the most evidence appears to be the high fat
    Mediterranean diet.

    "Julianne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<mNqmc.44132$NZ4.14552@lakeread05>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach
    Diet. I am not pleased. Although I hate to be self
    centered, I am looking for


    practical

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    advice and research that shows how my lipid studies
    may be improved


    without

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    drugs. Results below:

    Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199 Triglycerides
    156 0 - 149 HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59 VLDL
    Cholesterol calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL
    Cholesterol calculated 127 0 - 99
    LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2

    Testing in initial phases of new diet plan is not a good
    idea - numbers are erratic. It is generally recommended
    to test after 3 months on new diet plan at least.

    Other than that, as SB is low-carb dieting plan, your TG
    should almost certainly drop later. That should bring
    down your VLDLs and perhaps LDLs too (they are all
    related - TG are transported by VLDL and when VLDL is
    emptied of TG, it becomes LDL). High fasting TG usually
    means that your body is converting excess carbohydrates
    to fat and storage of this fat is slowed down by insulin
    resistance.

    Mirek


    Thanks. I had blood drawn for another reason and they
    included the lipids. I definitely plan to retest in three
    to six months.

    j

  13. [email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in part:

    Quoted message said:

    My triglycerides are very low. Always. Much lower than the
    above poster. I eat high carb.

    But as an experiement beginning in Dec. I added more meat
    (and red meat!) to my diet, along with butter, whole milk
    and three eggs weekly.

    Result? My tris stayed the same, so did my HDL, but my
    total cholesterol and LDL both dropped. Total from 12.59 in
    OCT to 11.33 in Dec to 9.7 in April.

    I am a woman.

    Anyone want to try explaining this?

    There haven't been many studies that actually compared the
    effect on LDL of diet changes such as you mention. In fact,
    the only one I can remember ever seeing found that
    carbohydrate produced a bigger jump in LDL than an iso-
    caloric amount of saturated fat.

    I can't get to my files right now, and don't recall the
    details. I'll follow up later.

    I think that there is a large part of the population that
    responds to higher-carbohydrate, lower-fat diets with a rise
    in triglycerides and a drop in HDL. Some do; some don't.
    --
    Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

  14. Mirek Fidler said:
    Quoted message said:

    How does one treat the metabolic syndrome (or
    dysmetabolic syndrome).

    Generally, by loosing weight. Dr. Chung will likely say
    you that only way how to loose weight is 2PD approach. You
    can try it.

    No, the 2PD approach is not the only way to lose weight.
    However, ime, it works every time.

    Quoted message said:


    Anyway, my opionion is that only possibility is some kind
    of low carb plan that brings insulin control. Without that
    it will be hard to stay on plan as metabolic syndrome will
    make you hungry all the time.

    There is nothing wrong with being hungry.

    Facts: No one has every died from hunger. People do die from
    starvation. Ironically, people truly dying from starvation
    are not hungry.

    Truth is simple.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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  15. Quoted message said:

    finally settles, Atkins, South Beach, and other low carb
    diets will be proven inferior to higer carb diets that get
    their carbs from whole grains, fruits, and veggies (but
    not white potatoes). The "Western"

    Well, Atkins, SB and other low carb plans do get their carbs
    from veggies and fruits. Some of them limit whole grains,
    some are not. Personally, I believe there are little
    benefits in eating whole grains - they are mostly just empty
    calories. Anyway, we will see 🙂

    Mirek

  16. Jim Chinnis <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

    Quoted message said:

    There haven't been many studies that actually compared the
    effect on LDL of diet changes such as you mention. In fact,
    the only one I can remember ever seeing found that
    carbohydrate produced a bigger jump in LDL than an iso-
    caloric amount of saturated fat.

    I can't get to my files right now, and don't recall the
    details. I'll follow up later.

    I think that there is a large part of the population
    that responds to higher-carbohydrate, lower-fat diets
    with a rise in triglycerides and a drop in HDL. Some do;
    some don't.

    This isn't the study I remember, but it gives some insight
    into the different ways different people respond to dietary
    carbohydrate and fat:

    americanheart.orgpresenter.jhtml
    er=3005950
    --
    Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

  17. "VCopelan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Julianne" [email hidden] Writes:

    Quoted message said:

    I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach
    Diet. I am not pleased. Although I hate to be self
    centered, I am looking for practical advice and research
    that shows how my lipid studies may be improved


    without

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    drugs. Results below:

    Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199 Triglycerides 156
    0 - 149 HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59 VLDL
    Cholesterol calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL
    Cholesterol calculated 127 0 - 99
    LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2

    What is the South Beach Diet? I would suggest some form
    of aerobic


    exercise,

    Quoted message said:

    changing your diet and adding vitamin C and Niacin. You
    might consider


    having

    Quoted message said:

    some more complete lab tests such as Apoprotein B LDL-
    S3GGET (LDL peak particle size, % distribution) Lipid
    profile (TG,


    TC,

    Quoted message said:

    L-C, HDL-C) Lipoprotein (a) Homocysteine HDL-S10GGET and
    C-Reactive Protein-hs.

    Take a look at Berkeley Heart Lab at
    www.berkeleyheartlab.com

    Thanks so much for your input. I have been taking 1000 mg of
    Vitamin C and a B-complex vitamin daily. Also, I have been
    getting about an hour in of walking at a rate of 4 mph most
    days each week.

    I realize that other lab work could tell me more but am not
    willing to have it drawn until I am stable on my diet.

    South Beach Diet in my opinion is like a toned down Atkins
    or a more defined Sugar Buster's. It has an initial stage
    where most carbs are limited but low glyemic carbs such as
    yogurt, nuts and vegetables are allowed. Also, it frowns
    upon sat fats and emphasizes monounsaturated fats.

    Phase two is not as well defined. Basically, one adds back
    low glycemic carbs until cravings return. This is okay for
    those of us who enjoy reading and studying about health and
    nutrition but I find it inadequate for those who just want
    to lose weight and be told how to do it.

    The advantages of SBD are that it is is very easy to follow
    even when eating out which I do alot. Also, it directly
    addresses insulin resistance which is a huge problem of
    epic proportions. The part of it I really didn't like was
    that only one page in the book addressed exercise. There
    are so many reasons why a person should exercise including
    weight loss, increased sensitivity to insulin, increased
    personal confidence, etc. I thought it was only given lip
    service in the book.

    I plan on having lab drawn again in a few months and will
    specifically ask for the tests you recommend.

    j

  18. [email hidden] (fresh~horses) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
    berlin.de>...

    Jim and William:

    Thanks for the study Jim and will look forward to what else
    you have on this. I haven't seen *anything* else like that,
    in all the links and studies I have read. And William, no
    not Atkins or any other diet. I do not *diet* and frankly
    do not consider any I have read to be sound nutrition. I
    read and consult the Harvard nutrition site, Nutrition
    Action Healthletter, Berkley Wellness Letter and the like,
    not diet gurus.

    But what happenened over three or four months of my eating
    more meat is completely the opposite of the going theories,
    don't you think? My diet is still primarily high complex
    carb. Always has been, for years and years.

    So to repeat: I eat high carb, but have very, very low
    triglycerides. I ate animal protein to a greater degree than
    I normally do for about four months and my total and LDL
    cholesterol levels dropped.

    Curiouser and curiouser.

    Zee

  19. "fresh~horses" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach
    Diet. I am not pleased. Although I hate to be self
    centered, I am looking for


    practical

    Quoted message said:

    advice and research that shows how my lipid studies
    may be improved


    without

    Quoted message said:

    drugs. Results below:

    Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199 Triglycerides
    156 0 - 149 HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59 VLDL
    Cholesterol calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL
    Cholesterol calculated 127 0 - 99
    LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2

    Testing in initial phases of new diet plan is not a good
    idea - numbers are erratic. It is generally recommended
    to test after 3 months on new diet plan at least.

    Other than that, as SB is low-carb dieting plan, your TG
    should almost certainly drop later. That should bring
    down your VLDLs and perhaps LDLs too (they are all
    related - TG are transported by VLDL and when VLDL is
    emptied of TG, it becomes LDL). High fasting TG usually
    means that your body is converting excess carbohydrates
    to fat and storage of this fat is slowed down by insulin
    resistance.

    Mirek

    My triglycerides are very low. Always. Much lower than the
    above poster. I eat high carb.

    But as an experiement beginning in Dec. I added more meat
    (and red meat!) to my diet, along with butter, whole milk
    and three eggs weekly.

    Result? My tris stayed the same, so did my HDL, but my
    total cholesterol and LDL both dropped. Total from 12.59
    in OCT to 11.33 in Dec to 9.7 in April.

    I am a woman.

    Anyone want to try explaining this?

    Zee

    My understanding is very limited but I do believe that
    triglycerides are raised in response to sugar. Can someone
    clarify or expound on my understanding?

    j

  20. Brad:

    Thanks for the input. For as long as I can remember, the
    lipids stuff has always confused me. I would be a cardiac
    nurse by history and still the lipid profiles and the
    changes they have undergone in the last two decades is a
    challenge to keep up with.

    I like South Beach over Atkins. Even on phase one when I log
    my calories into fitday, I have far more carbs than I would
    with the first phase of Atkins. I have managed to avoid the
    awful ketoacidosis and the anxiety that accompanied Atkins
    when I did extreme low carb before. Also, maybe it is the
    cardiac nurse history that makes eating unlimited sat fats
    unappealing to me.

    I am proud to say that my weight is down a full ten pounds.
    Part of it is pretty unhealthy as I forgot to eat a couple
    of days this week. Work has been exceptionally busy as I am
    opening six hospices and expect to have them fully
    operational, licensed and certified before August 1 when a
    new moratorium goes into place in Louisiana. It is a
    daunting, stressful task and that is just for one of my
    clients. The others have needs, too.

    I have a book called the Omega Rx zone and have tried to
    make sense out of
    it. I decided to buy some fish oil capsules as I am
    allergic to fish and the oils should be devoid of the
    proteins that cause reactions. I am fairly compliant
    with taking them. The other thing I do is buy the
    expensive eggs from vegetarian chickens which are
    supposed to have omega three fatty acids in them and
    increased vitamin E. I have cut down on my consumption
    of red meat (which I love) and have begun experimenting
    with chicken, etc. Being allergic to fish sort of sucks
    as my choices are limited. I do like lean pork loin,
    though and am a really good cook so when I take the
    time, I can make anything seem really appealing.

    I have avoided tomato paste but do eat Roma tomatoes almost
    every day in salad. As I move into phase two of SBD, I plan
    to add back certain favorites in moderation. I have been
    playing with 'pizza' recipes that use either low net carb
    tortillas or pizza crust made from whole wheat flour. I
    haven't been able to indulge but my tasters (my 18 yr old
    and his girlfriend) go for the whole wheat crust. The whole
    wheat crust recipe, by the way, calls for two cups of flour.
    I use 3.5 and add a half a cup of steel cut oats. My
    research rats say it adds texture. I figure if I can make
    four individual pizzas using that crust and reduced fat
    cheese and eat them with a salad, I will have a healthy meal
    with about 20 grams of carbs - all low glycemic.

    My goal has been to walk four miles each day. In reality,
    I have missed two days over the last two weeks. Six times
    a week isn't bad for a busy consultant. Now that my
    appetite is under control, I am able to spend less time at
    lunch, etc. and spare an hour in the evening or the
    morning for exercise.

    My fasting bgl, by the way was far higher than I would ever
    dreamed - 105. I am looking to get that number down as well.
    I have plenty of access to machines to keep tabs on it.

    Over all, I am not losing sleep until I have lost another 18
    pounds which will put me at 115 at 5'3" or 5'4" (depending
    on how tall I stand and if I hold my breath). Then, I will
    work on adding five pounds of girl muscles to make cocktail
    dresses look really good and improve my posture without
    getting all 'bulked up'.

    Thanks so very much for your input.

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    J,

    Right, 8 days isn't enough time. Your ratio (2.2) is
    excellent. What should matter to you is changes from your
    normal lipid profile. From the Harvard website the ways to
    reduce CHD risk include 1) nix saturated fat and trans fat-
    I believe South Beach would agree 2) eat oily fish or take
    fish oil capsules (3 g daily) 3) increase exercise
    4) drink moderatly. To lower your total chol, consider
    eating oatmeal, and/or adding cinnamon to your diet.
    Finally consider adding tomato paste/sauce for
    lycopene. My opinion, is that when the dust finally
    settles, Atkins, South Beach, and other low carb diets
    will be proven inferior to higer carb diets that get
    their carbs from whole grains, fruits, and veggies (but
    not white potatoes). The "Western" diet fails to be
    healthy because of the huge intake of refined grains,
    added sugars, white potatoes, saturated and trans fats.
    The healthiest diet with the most evidence appears to
    be the high fat Mediterranean diet.

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    "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
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    > I had blood drawn Monday on day eight of South Beach
    > Diet. I am not pleased. Although I hate to be self
    > centered, I am looking for


    practical

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    > advice and research that shows how my lipid studies
    > may be improved


    without

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    > drugs. Results below:
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    > Cholesterol, Total 216 100 - 199 Triglycerides
    > 156 0 - 149 HDL Cholesterol 58.0 40 - 59 VLDL
    > Cholesterol calculated 31.0 5.0 - 40 LDL
    > Cholesterol calculated 127 0 - 99
    > LDL/HDL Ratio 2.2 0.0 - 3.2
    >

    Testing in initial phases of new diet plan is not a
    good idea -


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    are erratic. It is generally recommended to test after
    3 months on new diet plan at least.

    Other than that, as SB is low-carb dieting plan, your
    TG should almost certainly drop later. That should
    bring down your VLDLs and perhaps


    LDLs

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    too (they are all related - TG are transported by VLDL
    and when VLDL


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    emptied of TG, it becomes LDL). High fasting TG
    usually means that


    your

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    body is converting excess carbohydrates to fat and
    storage of this fat is slowed down by insulin
    resistance.

    Mirek


    Thanks. I had blood drawn for another reason and they
    included the


    lipids.

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    I definitely plan to retest in three to six months.

    j


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