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  1. It turned out great! I shared it with my neighbours, who enjoyed it as
    much as I did.

    New England Clam Chowder
    Chef Paul Prudhomme, _Seasoned America_

    Makes 12 main-course servings
    or 16 first-course servings

    There is probably no other dish native to New England about which New
    Englanders disagree more. No one is certain who first came up with the
    idea of cooking seafood in milk, but it seems likely that the
    combination arrived in Massachusetts in the seventeenth century with
    settlers from Old England. There always has been debate about how to
    properly thicken a clam chowder, and we agree with those who refuse to
    use flour, since it tends to neutralize the pungency of the clams. Our
    recipe depends on both diced and grated potatoes, which not only
    thicken the soup naturally but add a flavor of potato to every
    mouthful, complementing the clams perfectly.

    SEASONING MIX

    1 1/4 teaspoons white pepper
    1 1/4 teaspoons black pepper
    1 1/4 teaspoons onion powder
    1 1/4teaspoons garlic powder
    1 1/4 teaspoons dry mustard
    1 1/4 teaspoons dried sweet basil leaves
    1 teaspoon dried thyme leaves
    1/2 teaspoon dried oregano leaves
    1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg

    1/2 pound salt pork, diced (see Note)
    2 medium potatoes, peeled and grated
    1 cup chopped onions
    1 cup chopped green bell peppers
    1 cup chopped celery
    4 cups clam liquid (can be bottled clam juice), in all
    6 tablespoons unsalted butter, in all
    4 cups milk
    4 cups diced peeled potatoes
    2 cups heavy cream
    4 dozen shucked hard-shell clams, with their liquid
    1/4 cup chopped fresh parsley
    Salt, optional (see Note)

    Combine the seasoning mix ingredients thoroughly in a small bowl. Makes
    3 tablespoons plus 1/4 teaspoon.

    Place the salt pork in a large heavy pot (not cast iron) over high
    heat, cover, and cook until the pork is sticking hard to the bottom of
    the pot, about 8 minutes. Add the grated potatoes, the onions, bell
    peppers, celery, and 1 tablespoon plus 2 teaspoons of the seasoning
    mix. Scrape the bottom of.the pot well, cover, and cook 3 minutes. Add
    3 cups of the clam juice, scrape the pot bottom clean, and cook,
    scraping the bottom of the pot often, about 13 minutes. Stir in the
    remaining 1 cup clam juice, scrape the crust from the bottom of the
    pot, and cook 2 minutes. Add 3 tablespoons of the butter and cook,
    scraping the pot bottom occasionally, about 2 minutes. Add the
    remaining seasoning mix and cook, whisking constantly to break up the
    potatoes and release their starch to thicken the chowder, 4 minutes.
    Stir in the milk and bring just to the boiling point, then add the
    diced potatoes and bring to a simmer. Reduce the heat to medium and
    cook, uncovered, scraping often, until the potatoes are tender, about
    20 minutes. Watch the pot closely: If the soup begins to bubble too
    much, reduce the heat, so the milk won't curdle. Add the remaining 3
    tablespoons butter and the heavy cream and whip with the whisk. Scrape
    the bottom of the pot, stir, turn up the heat a bit, and cook just
    until the soup begins to bubble gently. Add the clams, cook 1 to 2
    minutes, and remove from the heat. Stir in the parsley and salt, if
    necessary. Makes about 16 cups.

    Serve the chowder in deep soup bowls with crusty bread.

    NOTE: Salt pushes the flavors of the other seasonings in this dish.
    Because salt pork differs depending on where it's processed, yours may
    be saltier or less salty than ours. If it comes thickly encrusted with
    salt, rinse some of it off and pat dry before dicing. Taste the chowder
    at the end, and, if necessary, add salt cautiously until the flavor is
    just right.

    Derek's notes:

    I added 1 teaspoon dried dill weed and 1 teaspoon dried Aleppo red
    pepper flakes to seasoning mix. I used bacon instead of salt pork,
    sauteeing the onion/celery/bell pepper in some of the bacon fat. I
    used grated Russet potato, and diced Yukon Gold potato. I used canned
    clams instead of live.

    Derek Juhl

  2. Quoted message said:

    It turned out great! I shared it with my neighbours, who enjoyed it
    as much as I did.

    New England Clam Chowder
    Chef Paul Prudhomme, _Seasoned America_


    (snipped recipe)

    Quoted message said:

    Derek Juhl

    Glad it turned out so well. I definitely love a good NE clam chowder.

    Jill

  3. "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It turned out great! I shared it with my neighbours, who enjoyed it
    as much as I did.

    New England Clam Chowder
    Chef Paul Prudhomme, _Seasoned America_


    (snipped recipe)

    Quoted message said:

    Derek Juhl

    Glad it turned out so well. I definitely love a good NE clam chowder.

    Jill

    Mmmm me too. And I never add flour to my soup or chowder - seems like
    cheating to me plus and don't like the taste. I also use canned clams,
    having had fresh clams on several occasions, I always get the ones that
    still have sand in them. God, I hate that!

    E.

  4. Quoted message said:

    It turned out great! I shared it with my neighbours, who enjoyed it as
    much as I did.

    New England Clam Chowder
    Chef Paul Prudhomme, _Seasoned America_

    I read this recipe and, frankly, got a laugh out of it. While
    Prudhomme is a most impressive cook and I'm sure this is wonderfully
    tasty, he has gilded this lily to conceptual incomprehensibility. This
    recipe is from the "if 5 ingredients are good, 25 are better." And "If
    one complex process is good, 6 are better."

    It's a peeve of mine to see people so drastically mess with an
    essentially classic recipe and technique package and still retain the
    old name. This is not New England clam chowder.

    In New England, clam chowder is usually essentially cream of potato
    soup with clams in it, with small local variations. This Prudhomme
    recipe is cajun or creole "New England clam chowder." Clams most
    frequently used are quahogs (pronounced coh-hogs for some reason. Like
    the geoducks of the northwest pronounced gooey-ducks. Clams take a hit
    in the phonetics department.) which are large. They're chopped into
    rather small bits, both to release more flavor and because it would be
    like chewing a running shoe otherwise.

    Here's a NECC note from Pat Solley who probably knows more about soup
    than any living soul. <http://www.soupsong.com/rclam1.html> Three
    recipes (sorta), one rhyming. Note that flour is used as part of a
    roux or as ground ship's biscuits. Relatively common way of
    thickening. The other major way is to do a two-stage cook with
    potatoes. Cook half (in stock or broth) until they literally fall
    apart and then add the remaining ingredients. The first batch of spuds
    is for thickening.

    Canned clams work as well as or even better than fresh in this.
    They're already cooked, have rendered their juice which should be
    incorporated into the soup, and are tender.

    Pastorio

    Quoted message said:

    Makes 12 main-course servings
    or 16 first-course servings

    There is probably no other dish native to New England about which New
    Englanders disagree more. No one is certain who first came up with the
    idea of cooking seafood in milk, but it seems likely that the
    combination arrived in Massachusetts in the seventeenth century with
    settlers from Old England. There always has been debate about how to
    properly thicken a clam chowder, and we agree with those who refuse to
    use flour, since it tends to neutralize the pungency of the clams. Our
    recipe depends on both diced and grated potatoes, which not only
    thicken the soup naturally but add a flavor of potato to every
    mouthful, complementing the clams perfectly.

    SEASONING MIX

    1 1/4 teaspoons white pepper
    1 1/4 teaspoons black pepper
    1 1/4 teaspoons onion powder
    1 1/4teaspoons garlic powder
    1 1/4 teaspoons dry mustard
    1 1/4 teaspoons dried sweet basil leaves
    1 teaspoon dried thyme leaves
    1/2 teaspoon dried oregano leaves
    1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg

    1/2 pound salt pork, diced (see Note)
    2 medium potatoes, peeled and grated
    1 cup chopped onions
    1 cup chopped green bell peppers
    1 cup chopped celery
    4 cups clam liquid (can be bottled clam juice), in all
    6 tablespoons unsalted butter, in all
    4 cups milk
    4 cups diced peeled potatoes
    2 cups heavy cream
    4 dozen shucked hard-shell clams, with their liquid
    1/4 cup chopped fresh parsley
    Salt, optional (see Note)

    Combine the seasoning mix ingredients thoroughly in a small bowl. Makes
    3 tablespoons plus 1/4 teaspoon.

    Place the salt pork in a large heavy pot (not cast iron) over high
    heat, cover, and cook until the pork is sticking hard to the bottom of
    the pot, about 8 minutes. Add the grated potatoes, the onions, bell
    peppers, celery, and 1 tablespoon plus 2 teaspoons of the seasoning
    mix. Scrape the bottom of.the pot well, cover, and cook 3 minutes. Add
    3 cups of the clam juice, scrape the pot bottom clean, and cook,
    scraping the bottom of the pot often, about 13 minutes. Stir in the
    remaining 1 cup clam juice, scrape the crust from the bottom of the
    pot, and cook 2 minutes. Add 3 tablespoons of the butter and cook,
    scraping the pot bottom occasionally, about 2 minutes. Add the
    remaining seasoning mix and cook, whisking constantly to break up the
    potatoes and release their starch to thicken the chowder, 4 minutes.
    Stir in the milk and bring just to the boiling point, then add the
    diced potatoes and bring to a simmer. Reduce the heat to medium and
    cook, uncovered, scraping often, until the potatoes are tender, about
    20 minutes. Watch the pot closely: If the soup begins to bubble too
    much, reduce the heat, so the milk won't curdle. Add the remaining 3
    tablespoons butter and the heavy cream and whip with the whisk. Scrape
    the bottom of the pot, stir, turn up the heat a bit, and cook just
    until the soup begins to bubble gently. Add the clams, cook 1 to 2
    minutes, and remove from the heat. Stir in the parsley and salt, if
    necessary. Makes about 16 cups.

    Serve the chowder in deep soup bowls with crusty bread.

    NOTE: Salt pushes the flavors of the other seasonings in this dish.
    Because salt pork differs depending on where it's processed, yours may
    be saltier or less salty than ours. If it comes thickly encrusted with
    salt, rinse some of it off and pat dry before dicing. Taste the chowder
    at the end, and, if necessary, add salt cautiously until the flavor is
    just right.

    Derek's notes:

    I added 1 teaspoon dried dill weed and 1 teaspoon dried Aleppo red
    pepper flakes to seasoning mix. I used bacon instead of salt pork,
    sauteeing the onion/celery/bell pepper in some of the bacon fat. I
    used grated Russet potato, and diced Yukon Gold potato. I used canned
    clams instead of live.

    Derek Juhl

  5. Quoted message said:

    It turned out great! I shared it with my neighbours, who enjoyed it as
    much as I did.

    It sounds good, but it certainly isn't New Englad clam chowda. Chowda
    is simple old New England fare made with what was available to the early
    settlers.

    Somewhere I have a 1700s recipe for clam chowder but can't put my hands
    on it right now. Here is the recipe I have from the 1940s.

    1 qt fresh Maine clams, shucked
    2 thin slices salt pork
    1 small onion diced
    4 cups diced small potatoes
    1 cup water
    salt & pepper
    1 1/2 quarts milk
    Piece of butter
    Common crackers

    Fry out salt pork using low heat. Remove pork and cook onion slowly in
    fat, do not burn onion. aa the four cups diced potatoes and the water,
    better add a little salt and pepper right now. Cover kettle, bring to
    steaming point, lower heat, cook until potatoes are soft, about 15 minutes.

    In the meantime, using cutting board and a sharp knife, cut the head of
    each clam into two or three pieces. Do the same with the firm part of
    the clam and the soft part of the bellies, also. No, I do not remove
    the black part. Save any juice you can.

    When potatoes are soft, stir in cut clams, cover pan again, let cook for
    three minutes, no longer for it toughens the clams. Add 1 1/2 quarts
    milk. Taste for seasoning, add salt and pepper if necessary. Keep in
    mind that as the chowder ripens it may be salty enough. Add piece of
    butter.

    Serve with common crackers or pilot crackers. Not sure if pilot
    crackers can be found outside of northern New England.

    Jessica

    Quoted message said:


    New England Clam Chowder
    Chef Paul Prudhomme, _Seasoned America_

    Makes 12 main-course servings
    or 16 first-course servings

    There is probably no other dish native to New England about which New
    Englanders disagree more. No one is certain who first came up with the
    idea of cooking seafood in milk, but it seems likely that the
    combination arrived in Massachusetts in the seventeenth century with
    settlers from Old England. There always has been debate about how to
    properly thicken a clam chowder, and we agree with those who refuse to
    use flour, since it tends to neutralize the pungency of the clams. Our
    recipe depends on both diced and grated potatoes, which not only
    thicken the soup naturally but add a flavor of potato to every
    mouthful, complementing the clams perfectly.

    SEASONING MIX

    1 1/4 teaspoons white pepper
    1 1/4 teaspoons black pepper
    1 1/4 teaspoons onion powder
    1 1/4teaspoons garlic powder
    1 1/4 teaspoons dry mustard
    1 1/4 teaspoons dried sweet basil leaves
    1 teaspoon dried thyme leaves
    1/2 teaspoon dried oregano leaves
    1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg

    1/2 pound salt pork, diced (see Note)
    2 medium potatoes, peeled and grated
    1 cup chopped onions
    1 cup chopped green bell peppers
    1 cup chopped celery
    4 cups clam liquid (can be bottled clam juice), in all
    6 tablespoons unsalted butter, in all
    4 cups milk
    4 cups diced peeled potatoes
    2 cups heavy cream
    4 dozen shucked hard-shell clams, with their liquid
    1/4 cup chopped fresh parsley
    Salt, optional (see Note)

    Combine the seasoning mix ingredients thoroughly in a small bowl. Makes
    3 tablespoons plus 1/4 teaspoon.

    Place the salt pork in a large heavy pot (not cast iron) over high
    heat, cover, and cook until the pork is sticking hard to the bottom of
    the pot, about 8 minutes. Add the grated potatoes, the onions, bell
    peppers, celery, and 1 tablespoon plus 2 teaspoons of the seasoning
    mix. Scrape the bottom of.the pot well, cover, and cook 3 minutes. Add
    3 cups of the clam juice, scrape the pot bottom clean, and cook,
    scraping the bottom of the pot often, about 13 minutes. Stir in the
    remaining 1 cup clam juice, scrape the crust from the bottom of the
    pot, and cook 2 minutes. Add 3 tablespoons of the butter and cook,
    scraping the pot bottom occasionally, about 2 minutes. Add the
    remaining seasoning mix and cook, whisking constantly to break up the
    potatoes and release their starch to thicken the chowder, 4 minutes.
    Stir in the milk and bring just to the boiling point, then add the
    diced potatoes and bring to a simmer. Reduce the heat to medium and
    cook, uncovered, scraping often, until the potatoes are tender, about
    20 minutes. Watch the pot closely: If the soup begins to bubble too
    much, reduce the heat, so the milk won't curdle. Add the remaining 3
    tablespoons butter and the heavy cream and whip with the whisk. Scrape
    the bottom of the pot, stir, turn up the heat a bit, and cook just
    until the soup begins to bubble gently. Add the clams, cook 1 to 2
    minutes, and remove from the heat. Stir in the parsley and salt, if
    necessary. Makes about 16 cups.

    Serve the chowder in deep soup bowls with crusty bread.

    NOTE: Salt pushes the flavors of the other seasonings in this dish.
    Because salt pork differs depending on where it's processed, yours may
    be saltier or less salty than ours. If it comes thickly encrusted with
    salt, rinse some of it off and pat dry before dicing. Taste the chowder
    at the end, and, if necessary, add salt cautiously until the flavor is
    just right.

    Derek's notes:

    I added 1 teaspoon dried dill weed and 1 teaspoon dried Aleppo red
    pepper flakes to seasoning mix. I used bacon instead of salt pork,
    sauteeing the onion/celery/bell pepper in some of the bacon fat. I
    used grated Russet potato, and diced Yukon Gold potato. I used canned
    clams instead of live.

    Derek Juhl

  6. Bob (this one) wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It turned out great! I shared it with my neighbours, who enjoyed it as
    much as I did.

    New England Clam Chowder
    Chef Paul Prudhomme, _Seasoned America_

    I read this recipe and, frankly, got a laugh out of it. While
    Prudhomme is a most impressive cook and I'm sure this is wonderfully
    tasty, he has gilded this lily

    aaaah!

    ok, im done freaking out.

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  7. jmcquown said:
    Quoted message said:

    It turned out great! I shared it with my neighbours, who enjoyed it
    as much as I did.

    New England Clam Chowder
    Chef Paul Prudhomme, _Seasoned America_

    (snipped recipe)

    Quoted message said:

    Derek Juhl

    Glad it turned out so well. I definitely love a good NE clam chowder.

    Jill

    Except I have NEVER eaten NE clam chowder with green pepper, garlic,
    mustard, basil, oregano, thyme and nutmeg. I don't deny it may
    have been delicious, but it sounds more like a fusion soup than
    a chowder. Chowder should taste like the sea, clean, not exotic.

    gloria p

  8. Bob (this one) said:
    Quoted message said:

    It turned out great! I shared it with my neighbours, who enjoyed it as
    much as I did.

    New England Clam Chowder
    Chef Paul Prudhomme, _Seasoned America_

    I read this recipe and, frankly, got a laugh out of it. While Prudhomme
    is a most impressive cook and I'm sure this is wonderfully tasty, he has
    gilded this lily to conceptual incomprehensibility. This recipe is from
    the "if 5 ingredients are good, 25 are better." And "If one complex
    process is good, 6 are better."

    It's a peeve of mine to see people so drastically mess with an
    essentially classic recipe and technique package and still retain the
    old name. This is not New England clam chowder.

    In New England, clam chowder is usually essentially cream of potato soup
    with clams in it, with small local variations. This Prudhomme recipe is
    cajun or creole "New England clam chowder."

    I couldn't agree more.

    gloria p
    born and raised in coastal SE Massachusetts

  9. Puester said:

    Except I have NEVER eaten NE clam chowder with green pepper, garlic,
    mustard, basil, oregano, thyme and nutmeg. I don't deny it may
    have been delicious, but it sounds more like a fusion soup than
    a chowder. Chowder should taste like the sea, clean, not exotic.

    You're correct that this is a fusion-type recipe. To give some
    background, in the cookbook _Seasoned America_, Chef Paul Prudhomme
    takes traditional Amercian recipes and applies his own Cajun twist.
    For example, he uses a lot of herbs and spices. He also lets food
    stick to the bottom of the pan, then stirs it up, a method he
    recommends for flavour.

    Derek Juhl

  10. Quoted message said:

    It turned out great! I shared it with my neighbours, who enjoyed it as
    much as I did.

    New England Clam Chowder
    Chef Paul Prudhomme, _Seasoned America_

    Makes 12 main-course servings
    or 16 first-course servings

    There is probably no other dish native to New England about which New
    Englanders disagree more. No one is certain who first came up with the
    idea of cooking seafood in milk, but it seems likely that the
    combination arrived in Massachusetts in the seventeenth century with
    settlers from Old England. There always has been debate about how to
    properly thicken a clam chowder, and we agree with those who refuse to
    use flour, since it tends to neutralize the pungency of the clams. Our
    recipe depends on both diced and grated potatoes, which not only
    thicken the soup naturally but add a flavor of potato to every
    mouthful, complementing the clams perfectly.

    SEASONING MIX

    1 1/4 teaspoons white pepper
    1 1/4 teaspoons black pepper
    1 1/4 teaspoons onion powder
    1 1/4teaspoons garlic powder
    1 1/4 teaspoons dry mustard
    1 1/4 teaspoons dried sweet basil leaves
    1 teaspoon dried thyme leaves
    1/2 teaspoon dried oregano leaves
    1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg

    1/2 pound salt pork, diced (see Note)
    2 medium potatoes, peeled and grated
    1 cup chopped onions
    1 cup chopped green bell peppers
    1 cup chopped celery
    4 cups clam liquid (can be bottled clam juice), in all
    6 tablespoons unsalted butter, in all
    4 cups milk
    4 cups diced peeled potatoes
    2 cups heavy cream
    4 dozen shucked hard-shell clams, with their liquid
    1/4 cup chopped fresh parsley
    Salt, optional (see Note)

    Combine the seasoning mix ingredients thoroughly in a small bowl. Makes
    3 tablespoons plus 1/4 teaspoon.

    Place the salt pork in a large heavy pot (not cast iron) over high
    heat, cover, and cook until the pork is sticking hard to the bottom of
    the pot, about 8 minutes. Add the grated potatoes, the onions, bell
    peppers, celery, and 1 tablespoon plus 2 teaspoons of the seasoning
    mix. Scrape the bottom of.the pot well, cover, and cook 3 minutes. Add
    3 cups of the clam juice, scrape the pot bottom clean, and cook,
    scraping the bottom of the pot often, about 13 minutes. Stir in the
    remaining 1 cup clam juice, scrape the crust from the bottom of the
    pot, and cook 2 minutes. Add 3 tablespoons of the butter and cook,
    scraping the pot bottom occasionally, about 2 minutes. Add the
    remaining seasoning mix and cook, whisking constantly to break up the
    potatoes and release their starch to thicken the chowder, 4 minutes.
    Stir in the milk and bring just to the boiling point, then add the
    diced potatoes and bring to a simmer. Reduce the heat to medium and
    cook, uncovered, scraping often, until the potatoes are tender, about
    20 minutes. Watch the pot closely: If the soup begins to bubble too
    much, reduce the heat, so the milk won't curdle. Add the remaining 3
    tablespoons butter and the heavy cream and whip with the whisk. Scrape
    the bottom of the pot, stir, turn up the heat a bit, and cook just
    until the soup begins to bubble gently. Add the clams, cook 1 to 2
    minutes, and remove from the heat. Stir in the parsley and salt, if
    necessary. Makes about 16 cups.

    Serve the chowder in deep soup bowls with crusty bread.

    NOTE: Salt pushes the flavors of the other seasonings in this dish.
    Because salt pork differs depending on where it's processed, yours may
    be saltier or less salty than ours. If it comes thickly encrusted with
    salt, rinse some of it off and pat dry before dicing. Taste the chowder
    at the end, and, if necessary, add salt cautiously until the flavor is
    just right.

    Derek's notes:

    I added 1 teaspoon dried dill weed and 1 teaspoon dried Aleppo red
    pepper flakes to seasoning mix. I used bacon instead of salt pork,
    sauteeing the onion/celery/bell pepper in some of the bacon fat. I
    used grated Russet potato, and diced Yukon Gold potato. I used canned
    clams instead of live.

    Derek Juhl


    - The most common misconception is that the liquid portion of chowder
    should be think and gooey (hence the flour). Chowder should have lots
    of stuff in it, potatoes, onions, and seafood, but the liquid portion
    isn't thick and gooey. Grated potatoes? Ridiculous.

    - There's nothing wrong with using just clams or just fish (readers may
    recall the boardinghouse in _Moby Dick_ in which the meal choice was
    limited to "cod or clam", day after day). But it is perfectly authentic
    to use whatever mix of seafood you have at hand. Canned clams work fine.

    - For an authentic New England flavor (which extends all the way to the
    Canadian Maritime provinces, where the chowder is wonderful), stick with
    salt pork, onions, potatoes, salt, pepper - put the green stuff in
    the salad, or the seafood gumbo, or the cioppino. And you'll need whole
    milk. The no-fat kind just doesn't make it in chowder.

    --

    ===============================================================
    Regards

    Louis Cohen

    "Yes, yes, I will desalinate you, you grande morue!"

    Émile Zola, Assommoir 1877

  11. elaine said:

    I never add flour to my soup or chowder - seems like
    cheating to me plus and don't like the taste. I also use canned clams,
    having had fresh clams on several occasions, I always get the ones that
    still have sand in them. God, I hate that!

    Have you tried using a can of baby clams? They look really weird, but they
    are so very tender, and no sand. I just try not to look at them while
    eating them.

    Carol
    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

  12. On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:14:46 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In New England, clam chowder is usually essentially cream of potato
    soup with clams in it, with small local variations.

    So, I could make potato leek soup, toss in a can or two of baby clams, and
    I'd have chowder?

    Please say yes, please say yes, please say yes.

    I've never attempted my own clam chowder. Don't know why it makes me so
    nervous. The best I've had has been Campbell's chunky non-concentrated
    soup. I know I can do better. I've just been afraid to try.

    Please say yes, oh Prince of Food.

    Carol
    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

  13. "Damsel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    elaine said:

    I never add flour to my soup or chowder - seems like
    cheating to me plus and don't like the taste. I also use canned clams,
    having had fresh clams on several occasions, I always get the ones that
    still have sand in them. God, I hate that!

    Have you tried using a can of baby clams? They look really weird, but


    they

    Quoted message said:

    are so very tender, and no sand. I just try not to look at them while
    eating them.

    Carol,

    Use them all the time in chowders & linguines; but never look at the little
    buggers when eating. Never!

    :-) Elaine

  14. Quoted message said:
    Damsel said:

    wrote:

    I also use canned clams, having had fresh clams on several occasions, I


    always get the ones that still have sand in them. God, I hate that!

    Quoted message said:


    Have you tried using a can of baby clams?

    Canned clams are like canned veggies, only worse. Other than harvesting your
    own the best are frozen clams... they're shucked within an hour or two of
    harvest and immediately flash frozen. Frozen clams are packaged in the same
    cardboard carton as milk and are available in quarts and half gallons. They
    are generally only available from restaurant provision suppliers, there's
    usually at least one source within a reasonable distance to most towns in the
    US. The frozen quart container is very easy to halve with a hacksaw - thaw
    what you need in the fridge.

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  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:14:46 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In New England, clam chowder is usually essentially cream of potato
    soup with clams in it, with small local variations.

    So, I could make potato leek soup, toss in a can or two of baby clams, and
    I'd have chowder?

    Please say yes, please say yes, please say yes.

    I've never attempted my own clam chowder. Don't know why it makes me so
    nervous. The best I've had has been Campbell's chunky non-concentrated
    soup. I know I can do better. I've just been afraid to try.

    Please say yes, oh Prince of Food.

    Carol

    Carol, I used to put a can of canned minced clams (Gorton's brand, no
    longer made) into a can of prepared cream of potato soup. Seemed the
    same as the condensed clam chowder to me.
    --
    -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> 2005 Pirohy Marathon pics added 1-23-05.
    "I read recipes the way I read science fiction: I get to the end and
    say,'Well, that's not going to happen.'" - Comedian Rita Rudner,
    performance at New York, New York, January 10, 2005.

  16. Damsel said:

    On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:14:46 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In New England, clam chowder is usually essentially cream of potato
    soup with clams in it, with small local variations.

    So, I could make potato leek soup, toss in a can or two of baby clams, and
    I'd have chowder?

    Please say yes, please say yes, please say yes.

    I've never attempted my own clam chowder. Don't know why it makes me so
    nervous. The best I've had has been Campbell's chunky non-concentrated
    soup. I know I can do better. I've just been afraid to try.

    Please say yes, oh Prince of Food.

    Carol

    Give it a try...I bet you'll never want Campbell's agian.

    Jessica

  17. Damsel said:

    On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:14:46 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In New England, clam chowder is usually essentially cream of potato
    soup with clams in it, with small local variations.

    So, I could make potato leek soup, toss in a can or two of baby clams, and
    I'd have chowder?

    Please say yes, please say yes, please say yes.

    I've never attempted my own clam chowder. Don't know why it makes me so
    nervous. The best I've had has been Campbell's chunky non-concentrated
    soup. I know I can do better. I've just been afraid to try.

    Please say yes, oh Prince of Food.

    Carol

    Give it a try...I bet you'll never want Campbell's agian.

    Jessica

  18. elaine said:

    "Damsel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    elaine said:

    I never add flour to my soup or chowder - seems like
    cheating to me plus and don't like the taste. I also use canned clams,
    having had fresh clams on several occasions, I always get the ones that
    still have sand in them. God, I hate that!

    Have you tried using a can of baby clams? They look really weird, but
    they are so very tender, and no sand. I just try not to look at them while
    eating them.

    Use them all the time in chowders & linguines; but never look at the little
    buggers when eating. Never!

    I'm not going to say what they remind me of, or no one reading this will
    ever eat them again, but man, they taste good! LOL

    Carol
    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

  19. elaine said:

    "Damsel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    elaine said:

    I never add flour to my soup or chowder - seems like
    cheating to me plus and don't like the taste. I also use canned clams,
    having had fresh clams on several occasions, I always get the ones that
    still have sand in them. God, I hate that!

    Have you tried using a can of baby clams? They look really weird, but
    they are so very tender, and no sand. I just try not to look at them while
    eating them.

    Use them all the time in chowders & linguines; but never look at the little
    buggers when eating. Never!

    I'm not going to say what they remind me of, or no one reading this will
    ever eat them again, but man, they taste good! LOL

    Carol
    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

  20. Melba's Jammin said:

    Carol, I used to put a can of canned minced clams (Gorton's brand, no
    longer made) into a can of prepared cream of potato soup. Seemed the
    same as the condensed clam chowder to me.

    I've never had canned potato soup, so I'll just have to take your word on
    that. I never thought of putting clams into potato soup. Sometimes, you
    can't see something when it's standing right in front of you! (Maybe I
    need new glasses)

    Carol
    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

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