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  1. I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine in
    preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could hardly walk
    afterward. The following is my new leg routine:

    Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf raise 1x10
    Rest 3 min.
    Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    Rest 2 min.
    One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    Rest 2 min.
    Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    Rest 2 min.
    Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    Rest 2 min.
    Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat w/back foot on
    block 1x15
    Rest 3 min.
    Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    Rest 5 min.
    Shrugs 10x10x10

    Any comments?

  2. John said:

    I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine in
    preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could hardly walk
    afterward. The following is my new leg routine:

    Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf raise 1x10
    Rest 3 min.
    Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    Rest 2 min.
    One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    Rest 2 min.
    Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    Rest 2 min.
    Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    Rest 2 min.
    Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat w/back foot on
    block 1x15
    Rest 3 min.
    Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    Rest 5 min.
    Shrugs 10x10x10

    Any comments?

    Pretty fancy-boy stuff, IMO.

    Why start with calves? Don't you want to do the squats/deadlifts first?
    And if you're going to do squats/deadlifts why do the supersets of
    leg curls/leg extensions?

    Why did you put shrugs in there? I imagine it's because everyone keeps
    coming up to you asking you why you're doing squats last and you just
    keep shrugging.

    Dally

  3. "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    John said:

    I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine in
    preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could hardly


    walk

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    afterward. The following is my new leg routine:

    Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf raise 1x10
    Rest 3 min.
    Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    Rest 2 min.
    One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    Rest 2 min.
    Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    Rest 2 min.
    Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    Rest 2 min.
    Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat w/back foot


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    block 1x15
    Rest 3 min.
    Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    Rest 5 min.
    Shrugs 10x10x10

    Any comments?

    Pretty fancy-boy stuff, IMO.

    Why start with calves? Don't you want to do the squats/deadlifts first?

    I'd rather build my calves more than thighs at this point.

    Quoted message said:

    And if you're going to do squats/deadlifts why do the supersets of
    leg curls/leg extensions?

    To isolate the quads/hams/gluts prior to the full body workout. Like doing
    curls prior to pullups or rows.

    Quoted message said:

    Why did you put shrugs in there? I imagine it's because everyone keeps
    coming up to you asking you why you're doing squats last and you just
    keep shrugging.

    The traps get worked with the DL's and it's an isolation after the DL's warm
    them up.

    I'm after conditioning with this. Not strength or hypertrophy.

  4. John said:

    in
    preparation for my next cycle.

    Most of these guys are on their periods, so this is the right place to
    ask about cycles.

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    my chubby grew, and I am now fully erect<<

    But who could tell?

  6. EatMe said:

    But who could tell?

    My wife, my girlfriend, the girls watching me on www.anywebcam.com and
    the ones who stick $ bills in my G string.

  7. Quoted message said:
    EatMe said:

    But who could tell?

    You kept screaming "more, faster, harder, give it to me up my
    poopchute baby" so loud, I couldn't tell.

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    John said:

    "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    John said:

    I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine in
    preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could hardly


    walk

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    afterward. The following is my new leg routine:

    Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf raise 1x10
    Rest 3 min.
    Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    Rest 2 min.
    One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    Rest 2 min.
    Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    Rest 2 min.
    Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    Rest 2 min.
    Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat w/back foot


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    block 1x15
    Rest 3 min.
    Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    Rest 5 min.
    Shrugs 10x10x10

    Any comments?

    Pretty fancy-boy stuff, IMO.

    Why start with calves? Don't you want to do the squats/deadlifts first?

    I'd rather build my calves more than thighs at this point.

    Quoted message said:

    And if you're going to do squats/deadlifts why do the supersets of
    leg curls/leg extensions?

    To isolate the quads/hams/gluts prior to the full body workout. Like doing
    curls prior to pullups or rows.

    Quoted message said:

    Why did you put shrugs in there? I imagine it's because everyone keeps
    coming up to you asking you why you're doing squats last and you just
    keep shrugging.

    The traps get worked with the DL's and it's an isolation after the DL's warm
    them up.

    I'm after conditioning with this. Not strength or hypertrophy.

    Conditioning for what? Strength or hypertrophy can be conditioning.

    --
    Keith

  9. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:54:08 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    John said:

    "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    John wrote:
    > I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine in
    > preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could hardly


    walk

    Quoted message said:

    > afterward. The following is my new leg routine:
    >
    > Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf raise 1x10
    > Rest 3 min.
    > Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    > Rest 2 min.
    > One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    > Rest 2 min.
    > Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    > Rest 2 min.
    > Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    > Rest 2 min.
    > Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat w/back foot


    on

    Quoted message said:

    > block 1x15
    > Rest 3 min.
    > Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    > Rest 5 min.
    > Shrugs 10x10x10
    >
    > Any comments?

    Pretty fancy-boy stuff, IMO.

    Why start with calves? Don't you want to do the squats/deadlifts first?

    I'd rather build my calves more than thighs at this point.

    Quoted message said:

    And if you're going to do squats/deadlifts why do the supersets of
    leg curls/leg extensions?

    To isolate the quads/hams/gluts prior to the full body workout. Like doing
    curls prior to pullups or rows.

    Quoted message said:

    Why did you put shrugs in there? I imagine it's because everyone keeps
    coming up to you asking you why you're doing squats last and you just
    keep shrugging.

    The traps get worked with the DL's and it's an isolation after the DL's warm
    them up.

    I'm after conditioning with this. Not strength or hypertrophy.

    Conditioning for what? Strength or hypertrophy can be conditioning.

    Is that the same as 'toning' Keith? ;o)

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JRH said:

    On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:54:08 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    John said:

    "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > John wrote:
    > > I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine in
    > > preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could
    > > hardly
    walk
    > > afterward. The following is my new leg routine:
    > >
    > > Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf raise 1x10
    > > Rest 3 min.
    > > Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    > > Rest 2 min.
    > > One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    > > Rest 2 min.
    > > Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    > > Rest 2 min.
    > > Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    > > Rest 2 min.
    > > Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat w/back foot
    on
    > > block 1x15
    > > Rest 3 min.
    > > Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    > > Rest 5 min.
    > > Shrugs 10x10x10
    > >
    > > Any comments?
    >
    > Pretty fancy-boy stuff, IMO.
    >
    > Why start with calves? Don't you want to do the squats/deadlifts first?

    I'd rather build my calves more than thighs at this point.

    > And if you're going to do squats/deadlifts why do the supersets of
    > leg curls/leg extensions?

    To isolate the quads/hams/gluts prior to the full body workout. Like doing
    curls prior to pullups or rows.

    > Why did you put shrugs in there? I imagine it's because everyone keeps
    > coming up to you asking you why you're doing squats last and you just
    > keep shrugging.

    The traps get worked with the DL's and it's an isolation after the DL's
    warm
    them up.

    I'm after conditioning with this. Not strength or hypertrophy.

    Conditioning for what? Strength or hypertrophy can be conditioning.

    Is that the same as 'toning' Keith? ;o)

    Yeah, I wouldn't be suprised.

    I decided to play rugby again this summer and this time I'm not going to
    think the club will allow me to work myself into shape. So I'm going
    into the season in rugby shape this year.

    Given that I'm putting together a training plan consisting of a 5 week
    schedule.

    Week 1 - focus is on structural adaptation - 'pre'-hab exercises focused
    more on the shoulders (hypertrophy training really), aerobic base.

    Week 2 - focus is on strength - very heavy training weights, intervals
    up to 45 seconds in running.

    Week 3 - focus on strength/speed - dynamic training, moderate intensity
    sprints introduced

    Week 4 - focus on speed/strength - plyos and 40-60 yard full-out sprints.

    Week 5 - restoration week - aerobic base, bodyweight conditioning
    exercises

    I can make 3 cycles of this training before the season starts and figure
    on coming in at about 205# bodyweight - down about 15-20 lbs from my
    powerlifting bodyweight of 220-225. The only constant will be technique
    training in the olympic lifts throughout the schedule.

    But as you can see - to me strength and some hypertrophy is conditioning
    for rugby.

    :^)

    --
    Keith

  11. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:02:34 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JRH said:

    On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:54:08 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "John" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > > John wrote:
    > > > I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine in
    > > > preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could
    > > > hardly
    > walk
    > > > afterward. The following is my new leg routine:
    > > >
    > > > Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf raise 1x10
    > > > Rest 3 min.
    > > > Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat w/back foot
    > on
    > > > block 1x15
    > > > Rest 3 min.
    > > > Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    > > > Rest 5 min.
    > > > Shrugs 10x10x10
    > > >
    > > > Any comments?
    > >
    > > Pretty fancy-boy stuff, IMO.
    > >
    > > Why start with calves? Don't you want to do the squats/deadlifts first?
    >
    > I'd rather build my calves more than thighs at this point.
    >
    > > And if you're going to do squats/deadlifts why do the supersets of
    > > leg curls/leg extensions?
    >
    > To isolate the quads/hams/gluts prior to the full body workout. Like doing
    > curls prior to pullups or rows.
    >
    > > Why did you put shrugs in there? I imagine it's because everyone keeps
    > > coming up to you asking you why you're doing squats last and you just
    > > keep shrugging.
    >
    > The traps get worked with the DL's and it's an isolation after the DL's
    > warm
    > them up.
    >
    > I'm after conditioning with this. Not strength or hypertrophy.
    >
    >

    Conditioning for what? Strength or hypertrophy can be conditioning.

    Is that the same as 'toning' Keith? ;o)

    Yeah, I wouldn't be suprised.

    I decided to play rugby again this summer and this time I'm not going to
    think the club will allow me to work myself into shape. So I'm going
    into the season in rugby shape this year.

    Given that I'm putting together a training plan consisting of a 5 week
    schedule.

    Week 1 - focus is on structural adaptation - 'pre'-hab exercises focused
    more on the shoulders (hypertrophy training really), aerobic base.

    Week 2 - focus is on strength - very heavy training weights, intervals
    up to 45 seconds in running.

    Week 3 - focus on strength/speed - dynamic training, moderate intensity
    sprints introduced

    Week 4 - focus on speed/strength - plyos and 40-60 yard full-out sprints.

    Week 5 - restoration week - aerobic base, bodyweight conditioning
    exercises

    I can make 3 cycles of this training before the season starts and figure
    on coming in at about 205# bodyweight - down about 15-20 lbs from my
    powerlifting bodyweight of 220-225. The only constant will be technique
    training in the olympic lifts throughout the schedule.

    But as you can see - to me strength and some hypertrophy is conditioning
    for rugby.

    :^)

    That seems reasonable for a front row donkey, and I hope you enjoy
    playing regularly again. ;o)

    I told you that I thought I was coming to the end of my playing days,
    and it is probable at the end of this season that I will call it a
    day. I've had a good run but I know longer look forward to it like I
    used to, and the injuries take so long to heal.

    We have had a few games cancelled over the past weeks, due to frozen
    pitches, and I have to admit to being quite relieved, It will be a
    wrench, and most of the team and committee are wanting me to stay, but
    I think this is it.

    My wife *really* wants me to quit, and even my very loyal children are
    supporting her now. The end of a long era Keith, and I shall miss it
    enormously, so you play on as long as you can old friend.

    I still have more than enough other activities to occupy me, so I must
    look on the positive side.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JRH said:

    On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:02:34 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    JRH said:

    On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:54:08 -0600, Hobbes <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >In article <[email hidden]>,
    > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email hidden]...
    >> > John wrote:
    >> > > I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine in
    >> > > preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could
    >> > > hardly
    >> walk
    >> > > afterward. The following is my new leg routine:
    >> > >
    >> > > Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf raise
    >> > > 1x10
    >> > > Rest 3 min.
    >> > > Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    >> > > Rest 2 min.
    >> > > One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    >> > > Rest 2 min.
    >> > > Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    >> > > Rest 2 min.
    >> > > Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    >> > > Rest 2 min.
    >> > > Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat w/back
    >> > > foot
    >> on
    >> > > block 1x15
    >> > > Rest 3 min.
    >> > > Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    >> > > Rest 5 min.
    >> > > Shrugs 10x10x10
    >> > >
    >> > > Any comments?
    >> >
    >> > Pretty fancy-boy stuff, IMO.
    >> >
    >> > Why start with calves? Don't you want to do the squats/deadlifts
    >> > first?
    >>
    >> I'd rather build my calves more than thighs at this point.
    >>
    >> > And if you're going to do squats/deadlifts why do the supersets
    >> > of
    >> > leg curls/leg extensions?
    >>
    >> To isolate the quads/hams/gluts prior to the full body workout. Like
    >> doing
    >> curls prior to pullups or rows.
    >>
    >> > Why did you put shrugs in there? I imagine it's because everyone
    >> > keeps
    >> > coming up to you asking you why you're doing squats last and you just
    >> > keep shrugging.
    >>
    >> The traps get worked with the DL's and it's an isolation after the DL's
    >> warm
    >> them up.
    >>
    >> I'm after conditioning with this. Not strength or hypertrophy.
    >>
    >>
    >
    >Conditioning for what? Strength or hypertrophy can be conditioning.

    Is that the same as 'toning' Keith? ;o)

    Yeah, I wouldn't be suprised.

    I decided to play rugby again this summer and this time I'm not going to
    think the club will allow me to work myself into shape. So I'm going
    into the season in rugby shape this year.

    Given that I'm putting together a training plan consisting of a 5 week
    schedule.

    Week 1 - focus is on structural adaptation - 'pre'-hab exercises focused
    more on the shoulders (hypertrophy training really), aerobic base.

    Week 2 - focus is on strength - very heavy training weights, intervals
    up to 45 seconds in running.

    Week 3 - focus on strength/speed - dynamic training, moderate intensity
    sprints introduced

    Week 4 - focus on speed/strength - plyos and 40-60 yard full-out sprints.

    Week 5 - restoration week - aerobic base, bodyweight conditioning
    exercises

    I can make 3 cycles of this training before the season starts and figure
    on coming in at about 205# bodyweight - down about 15-20 lbs from my
    powerlifting bodyweight of 220-225. The only constant will be technique
    training in the olympic lifts throughout the schedule.

    But as you can see - to me strength and some hypertrophy is conditioning
    for rugby.

    :^)

    That seems reasonable for a front row donkey, and I hope you enjoy
    playing regularly again. ;o)

    I told you that I thought I was coming to the end of my playing days,
    and it is probable at the end of this season that I will call it a
    day. I've had a good run but I know longer look forward to it like I
    used to, and the injuries take so long to heal.

    We have had a few games cancelled over the past weeks, due to frozen
    pitches, and I have to admit to being quite relieved, It will be a
    wrench, and most of the team and committee are wanting me to stay, but
    I think this is it.

    My wife *really* wants me to quit, and even my very loyal children are
    supporting her now. The end of a long era Keith, and I shall miss it
    enormously, so you play on as long as you can old friend.

    I still have more than enough other activities to occupy me, so I must
    look on the positive side.

    I know your reasons and understand them. But as someone who has retired
    once and come back I think you will miss the game.

    I tend to play more on the flank now and even get into the backs once in
    a while. I like to get in the big hit still (more timing than speed now,
    I'm afraid) and the shoulders are going to need some strenghening to
    withstand that. I separated both shoulders last year. I don't want that
    again.

    --
    Keith

  13. "Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    John said:

    "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    John wrote:
    > I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine in
    > preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could


    hardly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    walk

    Quoted message said:

    > afterward. The following is my new leg routine:
    >
    > Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf raise


    1x10

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Rest 3 min.
    > Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    > Rest 2 min.
    > One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    > Rest 2 min.
    > Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    > Rest 2 min.
    > Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    > Rest 2 min.
    > Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat w/back


    foot

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on

    Quoted message said:

    > block 1x15
    > Rest 3 min.
    > Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    > Rest 5 min.
    > Shrugs 10x10x10
    >
    > Any comments?

    Pretty fancy-boy stuff, IMO.

    Why start with calves? Don't you want to do the squats/deadlifts


    first?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I'd rather build my calves more than thighs at this point.

    Quoted message said:

    And if you're going to do squats/deadlifts why do the supersets of
    leg curls/leg extensions?

    To isolate the quads/hams/gluts prior to the full body workout. Like


    doing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    curls prior to pullups or rows.

    Quoted message said:

    Why did you put shrugs in there? I imagine it's because everyone


    keeps

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    coming up to you asking you why you're doing squats last and you just
    keep shrugging.

    The traps get worked with the DL's and it's an isolation after the DL's


    warm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them up.

    I'm after conditioning with this. Not strength or hypertrophy.

    Conditioning for what? Strength or hypertrophy can be conditioning.

    Muscle endurance. I'm following the same scheme for the rest of the muscle
    groups. Would you recommend something different for endurance?

  14. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    John said:

    "Hobbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    John said:

    "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > John wrote:
    > > I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine in
    > > preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could


    hardly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    walk
    > > afterward. The following is my new leg routine:
    > >
    > > Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf raise


    1x10

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Rest 3 min.
    > > Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    > > Rest 2 min.
    > > One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    > > Rest 2 min.
    > > Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    > > Rest 2 min.
    > > Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    > > Rest 2 min.
    > > Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat w/back


    foot

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on
    > > block 1x15
    > > Rest 3 min.
    > > Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    > > Rest 5 min.
    > > Shrugs 10x10x10
    > >
    > > Any comments?
    >
    > Pretty fancy-boy stuff, IMO.
    >
    > Why start with calves? Don't you want to do the squats/deadlifts


    first?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I'd rather build my calves more than thighs at this point.

    > And if you're going to do squats/deadlifts why do the supersets of
    > leg curls/leg extensions?

    To isolate the quads/hams/gluts prior to the full body workout. Like


    doing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    curls prior to pullups or rows.

    > Why did you put shrugs in there? I imagine it's because everyone


    keeps

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > coming up to you asking you why you're doing squats last and you just
    > keep shrugging.

    The traps get worked with the DL's and it's an isolation after the DL's


    warm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them up.

    I'm after conditioning with this. Not strength or hypertrophy.

    Conditioning for what? Strength or hypertrophy can be conditioning.

    Muscle endurance. I'm following the same scheme for the rest of the muscle
    groups. Would you recommend something different for endurance?

    I don't agree with the static holds, but other than that it is okay.
    Statics don't have much adaptative carry over to dynamic movement. Why
    not a high-rep front squat or hi-bar squat with less weight?

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    <[email hidden]>,

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    "John" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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    > > John wrote:
    > > > I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine


    in

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    > > > preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could


    hardly

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    > walk
    > > > afterward. The following is my new leg routine:
    > > >
    > > > Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf


    raise

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    1x10

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    > > > Rest 3 min.
    > > > Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat


    w/back

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    foot

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    > on
    > > > block 1x15
    > > > Rest 3 min.
    > > > Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    > > > Rest 5 min.
    > > > Shrugs 10x10x10
    > > >
    > > > Any comments?
    > >
    > > Pretty fancy-boy stuff, IMO.
    > >
    > > Why start with calves? Don't you want to do the squats/deadlifts


    first?

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    > I'd rather build my calves more than thighs at this point.
    >
    > > And if you're going to do squats/deadlifts why do the


    supersets of

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    > > leg curls/leg extensions?
    >
    > To isolate the quads/hams/gluts prior to the full body workout. Like


    doing

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    > curls prior to pullups or rows.
    >
    > > Why did you put shrugs in there? I imagine it's because everyone


    keeps

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    > > coming up to you asking you why you're doing squats last and you


    just

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    > > keep shrugging.
    >
    > The traps get worked with the DL's and it's an isolation after the


    DL's

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    warm

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    > them up.
    >
    > I'm after conditioning with this. Not strength or hypertrophy.
    >
    >

    Conditioning for what? Strength or hypertrophy can be conditioning.

    Muscle endurance. I'm following the same scheme for the rest of the


    muscle

    Quoted message said:
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    groups. Would you recommend something different for endurance?

    I don't agree with the static holds, but other than that it is okay.
    Statics don't have much adaptative carry over to dynamic movement. Why
    not a high-rep front squat or hi-bar squat with less weight?

    That's a good idea, but I don't want to puke all over the rack. ;-)

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    > In article


    <[email hidden]>,

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    > "John" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > > "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > > > John wrote:
    > > > > I recently changed my routine to more of a conditioning routine


    in

    Quoted message said:
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    > > > > preparation for my next cycle. I did legs yesterday, and I could
    hardly
    > > walk
    > > > > afterward. The following is my new leg routine:
    > > > >
    > > > > Superset: donkey calf raise 1x10 with one leg standing calf


    raise

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    1x10
    > > > > Rest 3 min.
    > > > > Donkey calf raise 10x10x10
    > > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > > One leg standing calf raise 10x10x10
    > > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > > Superset: leg curls 1x21 with leg extensions 1x21
    > > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > > Static squats 5 stops to parallel, stopping for 30 sec. each
    > > > > Rest 2 min.
    > > > > Superset: one legged stiff-legged DL 1x15 with split squat


    w/back

    Quoted message said:
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    foot
    > > on
    > > > > block 1x15
    > > > > Rest 3 min.
    > > > > Superset: DL 1x6 with squat 1x6
    > > > > Rest 5 min.
    > > > > Shrugs 10x10x10
    > > > >
    > > > > Any comments?
    > > >
    > > > Pretty fancy-boy stuff, IMO.
    > > >
    > > > Why start with calves? Don't you want to do the squats/deadlifts
    first?
    > >
    > > I'd rather build my calves more than thighs at this point.
    > >
    > > > And if you're going to do squats/deadlifts why do the


    supersets of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > leg curls/leg extensions?
    > >
    > > To isolate the quads/hams/gluts prior to the full body workout. Like
    doing
    > > curls prior to pullups or rows.
    > >
    > > > Why did you put shrugs in there? I imagine it's because everyone
    keeps
    > > > coming up to you asking you why you're doing squats last and you


    just

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > keep shrugging.
    > >
    > > The traps get worked with the DL's and it's an isolation after the


    DL's

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    Quoted message said:

    warm
    > > them up.
    > >
    > > I'm after conditioning with this. Not strength or hypertrophy.
    > >
    > >
    >
    > Conditioning for what? Strength or hypertrophy can be conditioning.

    Muscle endurance. I'm following the same scheme for the rest of the


    muscle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    groups. Would you recommend something different for endurance?

    I don't agree with the static holds, but other than that it is okay.
    Statics don't have much adaptative carry over to dynamic movement. Why
    not a high-rep front squat or hi-bar squat with less weight?

    That's a good idea, but I don't want to puke all over the rack. ;-)

    Huh! Isn't that why we lift?

    :^)

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