murderous motorist

Ian Smith <[email hidden]> writes:

**snip horrendous tale**

Quoted message said:

Police have phoned home - number plate is validly registered to a
vehicle matching that description ... at a non-existent address.
Police say that's not supposed to happen and probably not much they
can do.

Jesus! Hopefully they'll be able to put it in the watch list for the
ANPRs, and track and find him through that.

Chris
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Ian Smith said:

Hello all.

I've just been the victim of attempted murder. Motorist pulls
dangerously close alongside, shouts abuse, I ignore him. He pulls
closer, my tyres are intermittently scuffing the kerb and I'm leaning
against his van. He yanks further left.

Witness coming the other way flags him down, tells him he knocked me
off but the driver zoomed off. Witness coming other way had number
plate and description. Driver behind murderous has description of
vehicle and full description of what happened. I actually rolled over
enough while in the road to get number plate and phone it in to 999
while the adrenaline was still high enough that I wasn't screaming.

Police attend. Ambulance attend. I spend 4 hours in A&E.

Police have phoned home - number plate is validly registered to a
vehicle matching that description ... at a non-existent address.
Police say that's not supposed to happen and probably not much they
can do.

[censored].

I am missing assorted bits of flesh from both hands, moderate patches
of skin from right thigh and right forearm, my right thumb is about
30% larger diameter than it should be and my right shoulder hurts like
f***. Assorted other aches and pains and various interesting colours
developing and oozing, but A&E say probably all superficial - go back
if anything is still really painful in three days.

I have no injuries at all from the neck up. Anyone want to guess what
the only comment about my riding style or equipment any medical staff
person made was? Three of the four staff I had prolonged contact with
asked the same thing. By the time I got to the doctor I (politely)
offered to debate the topic and pointed out I was uninjured from the
neck up, but she declined the opportunity.

The ambulance men cut my best cycling shorts _and_ my irreplaceable
New Zealand bungey-jumping T-shirt off me. (To be fair, at that stage
I was swearing at anyone that got too close to my arm, and there was
ooze soaking through my shorts so they had not much option.)

Oh, and one of the witnesses offered to look after my bike, but the
ambulance took the piece of paper with his name and address off me and
it's got lost.

regards, Ian SMith
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Hope you make a speedy recovery.

What do you think made the driver behave like that?

Quoted message said:

Hope you make a speedy recovery.

What do you think made the driver behave like that?

Probably that I'd dared to remain in the primary position for half a
mile - it's a stretch of road that I regularly (most days once or so)
get passed too close, and fairly regularly (once every four weeks or
so) get car drivers alongside yelling at me. I have no idea why - I
don't have anything like the same aggro on any other stretch of road,
nor further down the same road. There is an always deserted pavement
- conceivably they think I should cycling on that. I think motorists
think it ought to be a 60mph run, but while dead straight it's
actually fairly narrow and very busy the other way so they can't
overtake. Some seem to get seriously [censored].

My guess is he didn't like being ignored when he was yelling at me,
didn't think through what driving into a cyclist might do, then
decided he wouldn't stick around and face the consequences 'cos he
knew he was invalidly registered so couldn't be traced despite the
witnesses. Presumably he's uninsured too.

regards, Ian SMith
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Ian Smith wrote on 08/06/2007 22:11 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Police have phoned home - number plate is validly registered to a
vehicle matching that description ... at a non-existent address.
Police say that's not supposed to happen and probably not much they
can do.

Ask them if normally when someone is seriously assaulted and they don't
know who it is do they say there is probably not much they can do or do
they use their supposed detection skills to track them down?

--
Tony

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is no good evidence either way."
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Tony Raven said:

Ian Smith wrote on 08/06/2007 22:11 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Police have phoned home - number plate is validly registered to a
vehicle matching that description ... at a non-existent address.
Police say that's not supposed to happen and probably not much they
can do.

Ask them if normally when someone is seriously assaulted and they
don't know who it is do they say there is probably not much they can
do or do they use their supposed detection skills to track them
down?

Could be worth going to the press in that case - "Police can't be
bothered to look for attempted murderer" etc.

Chris
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On 08 Jun 2007 21:11:23 GMT

Ian Smith said:

I've just been the victim of attempted murder.

You have witnesses who've come forward. Should be a good
chance the police will do something real.

Quoted message said:

Oh, and one of the witnesses offered to look after my bike, but the
ambulance took the piece of paper with his name and address off me
and it's got lost.

On the premise that most people are honest and helpful in a
situation like that, witness will be expecting you to reclaim
your bike, and will probably try contacting police or hospital
once the duration of your absence seems unreasonable to him.

And local press might be useful if they'll print a brief account.
Your witness may not read it, but so long as they have friends who
do and consider the incident worth a mention, they should stand a
good chance of finding out what's happened.

Quoted message said:

regards, Ian SMith

Best wishes for a speedy recovery of your person and property.

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"Ian Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello all.

I've just been the victim of attempted murder. Motorist pulls
dangerously close alongside, shouts abuse, I ignore him. He pulls
closer, my tyres are intermittently scuffing the kerb and I'm leaning
against his van. He yanks further left.

Witness coming the other way flags him down, tells him he knocked me
off but the driver zoomed off. Witness coming other way had number
plate and description. Driver behind murderous has description of
vehicle and full description of what happened. I actually rolled over
enough while in the road to get number plate and phone it in to 999
while the adrenaline was still high enough that I wasn't screaming.

Police attend. Ambulance attend. I spend 4 hours in A&E.

Police have phoned home - number plate is validly registered to a
vehicle matching that description ... at a non-existent address.
Police say that's not supposed to happen and probably not much they
can do.

[censored].

I am missing assorted bits of flesh from both hands, moderate patches
of skin from right thigh and right forearm, my right thumb is about
30% larger diameter than it should be and my right shoulder hurts like
f***. Assorted other aches and pains and various interesting colours
developing and oozing, but A&E say probably all superficial - go back
if anything is still really painful in three days.

I have no injuries at all from the neck up. Anyone want to guess what
the only comment about my riding style or equipment any medical staff
person made was? Three of the four staff I had prolonged contact with
asked the same thing. By the time I got to the doctor I (politely)
offered to debate the topic and pointed out I was uninjured from the
neck up, but she declined the opportunity.

The ambulance men cut my best cycling shorts _and_ my irreplaceable
New Zealand bungey-jumping T-shirt off me. (To be fair, at that stage
I was swearing at anyone that got too close to my arm, and there was
ooze soaking through my shorts so they had not much option.)

Oh, and one of the witnesses offered to look after my bike, but the
ambulance took the piece of paper with his name and address off me and
it's got lost.

regards, Ian SMith

JH Christ Ian, I hope they get the [censored], and that you recover soon and
completely, and that your bike turns up.

I've had a similar experience, with a motorcyclist who rode at me after I'd
pointed out that he shouldn't be in the ASL. Fortunately, I managed to
avoid him, and another cyclist confirmed my story and the reg of the
motorcycle to the police, and the same thing, untraceable vehicle. Maybe
it's time to forget speed cameras and go for the automatic number plate
recognition?

"Ian Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hope you make a speedy recovery.

What do you think made the driver behave like that?

Probably that I'd dared to remain in the primary position for half a
mile - it's a stretch of road that I regularly (most days once or so)
get passed too close, and fairly regularly (once every four weeks or
so) get car drivers alongside yelling at me. I have no idea why - I
don't have anything like the same aggro on any other stretch of road,
nor further down the same road. There is an always deserted pavement
- conceivably they think I should cycling on that. I think motorists
think it ought to be a 60mph run, but while dead straight it's
actually fairly narrow and very busy the other way so they can't
overtake. Some seem to get seriously [censored].

My guess is he didn't like being ignored when he was yelling at me,
didn't think through what driving into a cyclist might do, then
decided he wouldn't stick around and face the consequences 'cos he
knew he was invalidly registered so couldn't be traced despite the
witnesses. Presumably he's uninsured too.

You could post the number of the vehicle here and some of us might see it
around.

"burt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Ian Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello all.

I've just been the victim of attempted murder. Motorist pulls
dangerously close alongside, shouts abuse, I ignore him. He pulls
closer, my tyres are intermittently scuffing the kerb and I'm leaning
against his van. He yanks further left.

Witness coming the other way flags him down, tells him he knocked me
off but the driver zoomed off. Witness coming other way had number
plate and description. Driver behind murderous has description of
vehicle and full description of what happened. I actually rolled over
enough while in the road to get number plate and phone it in to 999
while the adrenaline was still high enough that I wasn't screaming.

Police attend. Ambulance attend. I spend 4 hours in A&E.

Police have phoned home - number plate is validly registered to a
vehicle matching that description ... at a non-existent address.
Police say that's not supposed to happen and probably not much they
can do.

[censored].

I am missing assorted bits of flesh from both hands, moderate patches
of skin from right thigh and right forearm, my right thumb is about
30% larger diameter than it should be and my right shoulder hurts like
f***. Assorted other aches and pains and various interesting colours
developing and oozing, but A&E say probably all superficial - go back
if anything is still really painful in three days.

I have no injuries at all from the neck up. Anyone want to guess what
the only comment about my riding style or equipment any medical staff
person made was? Three of the four staff I had prolonged contact with
asked the same thing. By the time I got to the doctor I (politely)
offered to debate the topic and pointed out I was uninjured from the
neck up, but she declined the opportunity.

The ambulance men cut my best cycling shorts _and_ my irreplaceable
New Zealand bungey-jumping T-shirt off me. (To be fair, at that stage
I was swearing at anyone that got too close to my arm, and there was
ooze soaking through my shorts so they had not much option.)

Oh, and one of the witnesses offered to look after my bike, but the
ambulance took the piece of paper with his name and address off me and
it's got lost.

regards, Ian SMith

JH Christ Ian, I hope they get the [censored], and that you recover soon and
completely, and that your bike turns up.

I've had a similar experience, with a motorcyclist who rode at me after
I'd pointed out that he shouldn't be in the ASL. Fortunately, I managed
to avoid him, and another cyclist confirmed my story and the reg of the
motorcycle to the police, and the same thing, untraceable vehicle. Maybe
it's time to forget speed cameras and go for the automatic number plate
recognition?

That will never happen, not enough money in it for the Safety Scamera
Partnership!

"The other view point, there is one you know"
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Quoted message said:

What do you think made the driver behave like that?

How about answering why you think the driver failed to submit valid
registration details, [censored].

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Ian Smith said:

Hello all.

I've just been the victim of attempted murder. Motorist pulls
dangerously close alongside, shouts abuse, I ignore him. He pulls
closer, my tyres are intermittently scuffing the kerb and I'm leaning
against his van. He yanks further left.

Witness coming the other way flags him down, tells him he knocked me
off but the driver zoomed off. Witness coming other way had number
plate and description. Driver behind murderous has description of
vehicle and full description of what happened. I actually rolled over
enough while in the road to get number plate and phone it in to 999
while the adrenaline was still high enough that I wasn't screaming.

Police attend. Ambulance attend. I spend 4 hours in A&E.

Police have phoned home - number plate is validly registered to a
vehicle matching that description ... at a non-existent address.
Police say that's not supposed to happen and probably not much they
can do.

[censored].

I am missing assorted bits of flesh from both hands, moderate patches
of skin from right thigh and right forearm, my right thumb is about
30% larger diameter than it should be and my right shoulder hurts like
f***. Assorted other aches and pains and various interesting colours
developing and oozing, but A&E say probably all superficial - go back
if anything is still really painful in three days.

I have no injuries at all from the neck up. Anyone want to guess what
the only comment about my riding style or equipment any medical staff
person made was? Three of the four staff I had prolonged contact with
asked the same thing. By the time I got to the doctor I (politely)
offered to debate the topic and pointed out I was uninjured from the
neck up, but she declined the opportunity.

The ambulance men cut my best cycling shorts _and_ my irreplaceable
New Zealand bungey-jumping T-shirt off me. (To be fair, at that stage
I was swearing at anyone that got too close to my arm, and there was
ooze soaking through my shorts so they had not much option.)

Oh, and one of the witnesses offered to look after my bike, but the
ambulance took the piece of paper with his name and address off me and
it's got lost.

regards, Ian SMith

Please post the time, location, reg no., and description of the vehicle.

Get in contact with the witness and ask for a description of the driver.
Post it.

_ said:

Ian Smith said:

Hello all.

Quoted message said:

I've just been the victim of attempted murder. Motorist pulls
dangerously close alongside, shouts abuse, I ignore him. He pulls
closer, my tyres are intermittently scuffing the kerb and I'm leaning
against his van. He yanks further left.

Quoted message said:

Witness coming the other way flags him down, tells him he knocked me
off but the driver zoomed off. Witness coming other way had number
plate and description. Driver behind murderous has description of
vehicle and full description of what happened. I actually rolled over
enough while in the road to get number plate and phone it in to 999
while the adrenaline was still high enough that I wasn't screaming.

Quoted message said:

Police attend. Ambulance attend. I spend 4 hours in A&E.

Quoted message said:

Police have phoned home - number plate is validly registered to a
vehicle matching that description ... at a non-existent address.
Police say that's not supposed to happen and probably not much they
can do.

Quoted message said:

[censored].

Quoted message said:

I am missing assorted bits of flesh from both hands, moderate patches
of skin from right thigh and right forearm, my right thumb is about
30% larger diameter than it should be and my right shoulder hurts like
f***. Assorted other aches and pains and various interesting colours
developing and oozing, but A&E say probably all superficial - go back
if anything is still really painful in three days.

Quoted message said:

I have no injuries at all from the neck up. Anyone want to guess what
the only comment about my riding style or equipment any medical staff
person made was? Three of the four staff I had prolonged contact with
asked the same thing. By the time I got to the doctor I (politely)
offered to debate the topic and pointed out I was uninjured from the
neck up, but she declined the opportunity.

Quoted message said:

The ambulance men cut my best cycling shorts _and_ my irreplaceable
New Zealand bungey-jumping T-shirt off me. (To be fair, at that stage
I was swearing at anyone that got too close to my arm, and there was
ooze soaking through my shorts so they had not much option.)

Quoted message said:

Oh, and one of the witnesses offered to look after my bike, but the
ambulance took the piece of paper with his name and address off me and
it's got lost.

Quoted message said:

regards, Ian SMith

Please post the time, location, reg no., and description of the vehicle.

Get in contact with the witness and ask for a description of the driver.
Post it.- Hide quoted text -

One reason for the dissinterest from the police
is that they will very likely see it as a case
of "careless driving" and not worth nearly so
much to the voters as for example making
sure that cyclists do not endanger other
road users by . . . fill in your own tale here . ..

When I was followed down the street
and run over by a car
the police who attended and arrested me
said that it "did not matter" that I had been
run over.

Driving a vehicle at pedestrians or cyclists is
not - in the eyes of our Institutionally Motorist
Criminal Justice System - Attempted Murder.
It is so run of the mill that it is not
worth bothering about any more that a
bit of littering.

"Ian Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello all.

Gently snipped tale of woe.

Sorry to hear this Ian. Horrible. Reaction of police all too common, I'm
afraid. Not that that excuses their lack of interest. Others have made good
suggestions on the plod front. Just want to say rest, heal & grow strong.

helen s

Get onto a watchdog TV programme and get them to broadcast the number
of the vehicle. It'll be found in no time flat. Then get onto your
local police superintendent, and your MP. Then you'll get action.

Ian Smith said:

Quoted message said:

Hope you make a speedy recovery.

Quoted message said:

What do you think made the driver behave like that?

Probably that I'd dared to remain in the primary position for half a
mile - it's a stretch of road that I regularly (most days once or so)
get passed too close, and fairly regularly (once every four weeks or
so) get car drivers alongside yelling at me. I have no idea why - I
don't have anything like the same aggro on any other stretch of road,
nor further down the same road. There is an always deserted pavement
- conceivably they think I should cycling on that. I think motorists
think it ought to be a 60mph run, but while dead straight it's
actually fairly narrow and very busy the other way so they can't
overtake. Some seem to get seriously [censored].

My guess is he didn't like being ignored when he was yelling at me,
didn't think through what driving into a cyclist might do, then
decided he wouldn't stick around and face the consequences 'cos he
knew he was invalidly registered so couldn't be traced despite the
witnesses. Presumably he's uninsured too.

regards, Ian SMith
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Those type of drivers give all a bad name, Which is why cameras/police
should be used to get them off the road.

Hope they catch him. Maybe with the amount of people who saw it and
the potential consequences, maybe you could push the police to do a
bit more investigating into the whereabouts of the van/driver.

A suggestion, if it had a valid tax/insurance, then the address where
they were sent, or trace the real address via the method of payment.
Shouldn't be too difficult for the police.

Tim Dunne said:

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Quoted message said:

What do you think made the driver behave like that?

How about answering why you think the driver failed to submit valid
registration details, [censored].

Tim
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Sorry, I cant be arsed to answer such a rude question.

"The other view point, there is one you know..."
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A suggestion, if it had a valid tax/insurance, then the address where
they were sent, or trace the real address via the method of payment.
Shouldn't be too difficult for the police.

I bet the insurance company would be only too happy to help as well.

Can the police put word out to all the local garages in case he calls in to
have any damage repaired?

I think there's an awful lot of line the police could explore in this case
even if they don't manage to apprehend the driver after it.
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(') said:

Hello all.

I've just been the victim of attempted murder. Motorist pulls
dangerously close alongside, shouts abuse, I ignore him. He pulls
closer, my tyres are intermittently scuffing the kerb and I'm leaning
against his van. He yanks further left.

Wow. [censored].

That has to be every cyclists worst nightmare.

Had you had _any_ interaction with the van before which might have given
him any imagined reason to attack you, or was this just completely out of
the blue?

Quoted message said:

Police have phoned home - number plate is validly registered to a
vehicle matching that description ... at a non-existent address.
Police say that's not supposed to happen and probably not much they
can do.

That seems a little irresponsible of the police - they wouldn't normally
give up on an attempted murder (and I completely agree with your
description) enquiry so easily.

Quoted message said:

The ambulance men cut my best cycling shorts _and_ my irreplaceable
New Zealand bungey-jumping T-shirt off me. (To be fair, at that stage
I was swearing at anyone that got too close to my arm, and there was
ooze soaking through my shorts so they had not much option.)

OK, confession time. After my big crash I was so concerned about the A&E
people cutting my club shirt and shorts off me that, when they left me
alone behind the curtains, I got up off my backboard and took them off
myself. Mind you, that was before I knew I'd broken my back, and had bits
of bone floating about in the fluid round my spinal cord...

Quoted message said:

Oh, and one of the witnesses offered to look after my bike, but the
ambulance took the piece of paper with his name and address off me and
it's got lost.

Strongly suggest you phone your local paper or TV station and give them the
story, with description and reg number of the van and gory pictures of
your injuries (and mention you lost the bit of paper). It's very likely
that the person with your bike will get in touch, and even more likely
that someone will recognise the description of the van.

That driver needs to be jailed.

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(') said:

Contact the police, making it clear that if they don't act, you will
communicate their inaction to your MP. If necessary, contact your MP
(that one usually gets results, unless yours is a complete waste of
space...some are, but most aren't.)  Again, make it clear as you 'go up'
that any failure to act will be communicated to the next higher level. If
the police and your MP fail to act, within, say, 48 hours - write to John
Reid.

I'm inclined to agree. It's in all our interests that motorists like that
not be on the road. Do your best to make sure that when prosecution is
brought, the charge reflects /intent/ to injure - i.e. that this was not
just careless driving, it was deliberate assault with a deadly weapon.

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