muni terminology

I know Natural Trials is when you are hopping on, off, around, up, and
on stuff in Nature. Like rocks, stumps, big cliffs, any random stuff
you can find in Nature.

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leeman180 said:

*I know Natural Trials is when you are hopping on, off, around, up,
and on stuff in Nature. Like rocks, stumps, big cliffs, any random
stuff you can find in Nature.

-Lee *

Yes but then what is the difference between natural trials and muni
trials? As far as I can see we have two kinds of courses; artificial
built and those with natural obstacles. But we have three names; trials,
muni trials and natural trials.

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As far as I know, Muni Trials is a term that was used at some
conventions to describe the trials competition. I think the idea was
that trials was one of the areas of competition within MUni, in the same
catagory as Uphill MUni or XC MUni.

So in that context, there is no distinction between regular trials and
"MUni trials". The latter is just a name given to regular trials based
on a misunderstanding.

In a completely unrelated area, sometimes people will say they are doing
"MUni trials" when they stop and hop on rocks on their MUni's during an
offroad ride. But again, this isn't a seperate area of competition. You
could also call this natural trials.

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Another possibility is that people are making typos in their posts. I
tend to do that sometimes, and Trials and Trails are not too hard to get
mixed up. On the other hand there could be a giant secret sport of MUni
trials that I never knew about.

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I think you can pretty safely stop using the term "Muni trials" and
stick to natural trials and the other kind (whatever you'd call that).
I usually don't give a specific term for man-made trials (unless it's
urban trials) and only be specific when I'm talking about natural trials
(because it's such a different style of trials riding).

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I think Muni Trials does refer to stopping and doing natural trials
obstacles on a muni ride, and most importantly, on a mountain unicycle,
not a trials unicycle.

Ben, could you please email me at scott (at) wallisdesign.com
I responded to your PM a few months ago and never heard back from you.

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goldenchicken said:

*What is the difference between a trials course and a -muni- trials
course?*

Nothing, as has been said above. You could make a distinction where MUni
Trials is stuff you do along the way on a MUni ride, but I wouldn't put
it in a dictionary.

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*And where does the term 'natural trials' fit in?*

Natural means it's not man-made. The Trials courses we have done at the
Moab Muni Fest, out in the slickrock, are natural Trials, because the
riding surface is used as-is (other than marking the course).

MUni is a generic term for Mountain Unicycling, rough terrain
unicycling, or off-road unicycling. The capital U is optional.

The official name for the Trials sport on a unicycle (correct me if I'm
wrong, Kris) is Unicycle Trials. This is to make the distinction between
it and Bicycle or Motorcycle Trials. When talking among unicyclists,
it's safe to just call it Trials.

As Ben has already suggested, the label MUni Trials probably comes from
one or more unicycle conventions where the Trials events were a subset
of the MUni events. We have similar problems with artistic events as the
word "artistic" is incorrectly attached to everything and anything,
leading to the wrong names being used, year after year, all over the
world, because the Unicycle Convention Program Andy Cotter created many
years ago is outdated. So everything keeps getting called "Artistic
Freestyle" and other wrong names (correct names: Individual Freestyle,
Pairs Freestyle, Group Freestyle, etc.).

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i'm gonna say that a trials course made from rocks and logs and other
natural items is still man-made. maybe the strangely named, "artificial
naturaly trials" or somethign equally impossible sounding. i think
natural trials are as you find them in nature. finding some roots or
rocks or logs or something out in the woods.

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I would offer to modify the above definition of Natural Trials to be
"anything not specifically set up to ride on." The idea here is that
some 'natural' stuff isn't natural either. You're riding down a trail
and you come across a log across a stream. Though a tree may have fallen
this way, this particular log was put there, several years ago, to get
across the stream. So it's natural materials, in a natural setting, but
did not naturally occur.

Another thing that could be called natural would be riding on man-made
stuff that's already there. A set of landscaping berms, walls, posts,
etc. They were not built to be a Trials course, but are some
pre-existing stuff you've chosen to use.

So unless someone sets down a hard-and-fast definition, the distinction
between natural trials and 'unnatural' trials will remain open to
interpretation.

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johnfoss said:

Another thing that could be called natural would be riding on man-made
stuff that's already there.

Much of that would in my mind be covered by the term "urban trials"
rather than natural trials.

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