Multi Sport Waterproofs

"[Not Responding]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Unseasonal, maybe. Or, glancing out of the window,
maybe not.

I need to buy some waterproofs to replace the ones that
fell victim to a pretty nurse undressing me with the aid
of a pair of scissors.

What I had then was a Sprayway mountaineering jacket that
I used for climbing, cycling and sailing and a pair of
Altura overtrousers.

I'd get the Alturas again but I'm a bit stuck on
waterproof jackets. I liked the mountain jacket because it
was long enough to be worn over a suit jacket.

Ideally, I'll go out and replace it with another similar
model. My query is aimed at those of us here who manage
to fit a bit of sailing between our hours in the saddle;
are Goretex mountain jackets up to the job at sea?
Someone told me the salt clogs up the Goretex pores and
someone else said I was "taking a risk" not spending £400
on the latest yachting kit. Both comments sound like
cobblers to me.

The reason I'm not keen on using a sailing jacket for
cycling is that sailing stuff all seems incredibly bulky.
I could roll and compress my Sprayway into the bottom of a
pannier in a manner I don't think I could achieve with
most of the sailing-specific equivilents I've seen.

If the weather perks up there's a slim chance I might try
my first commute next week.

Early Goretex used to suffer from salt blocking the pores;
the stuff used in sailing jackets now works fine (personal
experience of Henri Lloyd kit). I believe it to be "normal"
Goretex although there seem to be all sorts of stuff in use
now which purports to do the job. If I were looking for a
new multipurpose jacket I'd start with Gill as they started
out doing just sailing kit .

HTH

Julia

Not Responding said:

Ideally, I'll go out and replace it with another similar
model. My query is aimed at those of us here who manage
to fit a bit of sailing between our hours in the saddle;
are Goretex mountain jackets up to the job at sea?
Someone told me the salt clogs up the Goretex pores and
someone else said I was "taking a risk" not spending
=A3400 on the latest yachting kit. Both comments sound
like cobblers to me.

The "taking a risk" is a lot of [censored]: people have been
sailing since a=20 few thousand years BG (Before
Goretex) and a lot of them lived to tell=20 the tale.
The salt clogging the pores business is easily remedied
by hosing it off =

after you use it and wash it every now and then.

Quoted message said:

The reason I'm not keen on using a sailing jacket for
cycling is that sailing stuff all seems incredibly bulky.
I could roll and compress my Sprayway into the bottom of a
pannier in a manner I don't think I could achieve with
most of the sailing-specific equivalents I've seen.

OTOH sailing gear should have better seals as it's designed
for being=20 hit by walls of water rather than mere rain.
You won't be /as/=20 comfortable if waves hit you in a
mountaineering jacket compared to a=20 sailing jacket, but
there again you've managed in a mountain jacket thus =

far and if you think that was okay then it will continue to
be. The=20 weather isn't being upgraded to cope with new
jackets, AFAIK.

However, for cycling note that a good cycling waterproof is
generally=20 lighter than either ocean or mountain gear.
Keeping it light means it's =

more breathable, which is very useful, and freedom of
pedalling is=20 generally better. I'd use my light mountain
jacket for cycling, but=20 probably not my heavy one (I used
to, and it works, but my cycling one=20 is just better for
the job). Not been sailing for a while, but I do go sea
kayaking and I'd probably=20 take my paddling cag sailing
because the neck and wrist seals keep out=20 serious water
where the mountain ones don't. Designed for purpose=20
generally does mean better, but better as in more comfort
and ability to =

let you get on with the activity without calling undue
attention to=20 itself more than better as in you're "taking
a risk" without it. You=20 can go places sailing where a
sailing suit will make the difference=20 between hypothermia
and merely a bloody miserable time, but most people=20 don't
sail in those places!

Pete. --=20 Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44
1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
[email hidden] dundee.ac.uk~pjclinchOpen ↗

"[Not Responding]" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Unseasonal, maybe. Or, glancing out of the window,
maybe not.

I need to buy some waterproofs to replace the ones that
fell victim to a pretty nurse undressing me with the aid
of a pair of scissors.

What I had then was a Sprayway mountaineering jacket that
I used for climbing, cycling and sailing and a pair of
Altura overtrousers.

I'd get the Alturas again but I'm a bit stuck on
waterproof jackets. I liked the mountain jacket because it
was long enough to be worn over a suit jacket.

Ideally, I'll go out and replace it with another similar
model. My query is aimed at those of us here who manage
to fit a bit of sailing between our hours in the saddle;
are Goretex mountain jackets up to the job at sea?
Someone told me the salt clogs up the Goretex pores and
someone else said I was "taking a risk" not spending £400
on the latest yachting kit. Both comments sound like
cobblers to me.

The reason I'm not keen on using a sailing jacket for
cycling is that sailing stuff all seems incredibly bulky.
I could roll and compress my Sprayway into the bottom of a
pannier in a manner I don't think I could achieve with
most of the sailing-specific equivilents I've seen.

If the weather perks up there's a slim chance I might try
my first commute next week.

I had a similar problem as my main leisure pursuits are hill
walking, cycling and yachting. I found that the hill walking
goretex jacket worked well for most activities but does not
really cut it in the middle of winter when waves and rain
are lashing the deck. After a particularly wet trip on the
Clyde last winter, I bought some reasonable Gill sailing
gear. I find it heavier and warmer than my hill walking
goretex which is essentially a waterproof outer jacket and
therefore I regard my Gill suit as useful only for sailing
or for standing outside in the rain doing not a lot of
physical activity.

However, I have still not got a "cycling" waterproof and
still use my hill walking one for both walking and
cycling. It seems to cover well for the 'sweaty' pursuits.
In time, when money allows I will buy myself a nice
goretex cycling top.

In summary, and in my opinion, a hill walking jacket will
suffice but like all compromises it is still a compromise
and there will be times when you wished for a better sailing
suit or a better cycling top. But cycling and walking are
more comparable than sailing.

Gavin

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:57:22 GMT, "gavin" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In summary, and in my opinion, a hill walking jacket will
suffice but like all compromises it is still a compromise
and there will be times when you wished for a better
sailing suit or a better cycling top. But cycling and
walking are more comparable than sailing.

I think the gist of posters is that I can continue to get
away with my minimalist sporting wardrobe; providing I don't
get taken by the urge for a winter transatlantic.

As 95% of my sailing hours are within the confines of the
Solent I'm hardly pushing the maritime envelope. I used to
do a fair bit of seagoing time just off South Wales and
compared to that, I have yet to come across anything
resembling a wave between Portsmouth Harbour and Beaulieu.

Thanks for the thoughts.

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Responding (') said:

Unseasonal, maybe. Or, glancing out of the window,
maybe not.

I need to buy some waterproofs to replace the ones that
fell victim to a pretty nurse undressing me with the aid
of a pair of scissors.

What I had then was a Sprayway mountaineering jacket that
I used for climbing, cycling and sailing and a pair of
Altura overtrousers.

I'd get the Alturas again but I'm a bit stuck on
waterproof jackets. I liked the mountain jacket because it
was long enough to be worn over a suit jacket.

Ideally, I'll go out and replace it with another similar
model. My query is aimed at those of us here who manage
to fit a bit of sailing between our hours in the saddle;
are Goretex mountain jackets up to the job at sea?
Someone told me the salt clogs up the Goretex pores and
someone else said I was "taking a risk" not spending £400
on the latest yachting kit. Both comments sound like
cobblers to me.

Salt crystals are significantly bigger than water vapour
molecules. Drying salt water on a goretex jacket opens up
the pores because salt crystalises in them, ruining the
waterproofing.

My sailing foulweather gear would be completely impossible
either to cycle in or to walk up a hill in, because it isn't
breathable and is pretty heavy, but it does the job and
lives on the boat. OTOH, not only will salt water ruin
cycling or mountaineering rainwear, cycling and and
mountaineering rainwear is not even nearly going to protect
you when you're taking white water across the deck.

--
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I'm fed up with Life 1.0. I never liked it much and now
it's getting me down. I think I'll upgrade to MSLife 97
-- you know, the one that comes in a flash new box and
within weeks you're crawling with bugs.

Simon Brooke said:

OTOH, not only will salt water ruin cycling or
mountaineering rainwear

Is there actually anything it /doesn't/ ruin (apart from
seafood!)?

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111
ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
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Simon Brooke said:

[Looks around boat, sees nothing even remotely ruined]

Ermm, yes. Rather a lot of things, actually.

That must be why everyone's so happy to leave their boats in
the sea across the winter then?

We always make a point of washing the sea kayaks down after
every run so things like towing cleats actually work, skeg
and rudder cables don't corrode, etc. etc. It can be kept at
bay with care and feeding, but AFAICT it does indeed bugger
up everything if left to its own devices.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111
ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
[email hidden] dundee.ac.uk~pjclinchOpen ↗

in message <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch

(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

[Looks around boat, sees nothing even remotely ruined]

Ermm, yes. Rather a lot of things, actually.

That must be why everyone's so happy to leave their boats
in the sea across the winter then?

Mine is, twelve months of the year. It doesn't seem worth
the hassle of pulling her out. I'm not alone; there are no
spare places left on our marina for next winter.

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Do not sail on uphill water.
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