MTB vs Normal bike?

Quoted message said:

How rough going would a road / path need to be before it
was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the bloke
who's only ever had MTBs 😉.

I reckon car sized bolders and deep waterfilled trenches
ought to put a stop to anyone trying to pass on a road bike.
To be honest there are quite a few variables to take into
account like;

tyre width weight of rider nature of road/path surface e.g.
mud, flint, shale etc grtadients that you want to conquer
uphill and down hill bloodymindedness of rider the cost of
the bike the degree of immortality that you feel applies to
you :-) gearing - road gearing is likely to be too high for
serious rough and tumble work

I've ridden over some of the off road sections of the C2C
and decided that getting off and pushing was a better option
on my old Raleigh Equipe with 12 gears and 700 x 25 road
tyres. I broke a couple of spokes and knocked the rear wheel
out of true but there again, I was 20+ stone and was also
carrying camping gear on a rear rack. I wouldn't choose to
regularly ride off road sections on my newest road bike as I
now have perfectly adequate machines designed specifically
for that purpose now.

in message <[email hidden]>, Doki

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How rough going would a road / path need to be before it
was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the bloke
who's only ever had MTBs 😉.

Depends on how narrow the tyres are. If very narrow, then
anything but smooth tarmac is uncomfortable. Also, although
narrow tyres are normally inflated very hard indeed, too
many potholes will sooner or later cause pinch flats.

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Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Doki

(') said:

How rough going would a road / path need to be before it
was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the bloke
who's only ever had MTBs 😉.

Depends on how narrow the tyres are. If very narrow, then
anything but smooth tarmac is uncomfortable. Also,
although narrow tyres are normally inflated very hard
indeed, too many potholes will sooner or later cause
pinch flats.

I was thinking racer style, so narrow narrow tyres.

Doki posted ...

Quoted message said:

How rough going would a road / path need to be before it
was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the bloke
who's only ever had MTBs 😉.

Really quite rough .. look at cyclo cross bikes.

More 'normal' road bikes would probably tire the rider out
through vibration etc before the bike actually had to stop,
other than say for steepness of a hill and lack of low
enough gearing etc

--
Paul

(8(|) Homer rocks .. 😉

Doki said:

Simon Brooke said:

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Doki (') said:

How rough going would a road / path need to be before
it was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the
bloke who's only ever had MTBs 😉.

Depends on how narrow the tyres are. If very narrow,
then anything but smooth tarmac is uncomfortable. Also,
although narrow tyres are normally inflated very hard
indeed, too many potholes will sooner or later cause
pinch flats.

I was thinking racer style, so narrow narrow tyres.

Exactly what sort of cycling are you thinking of, Doki? Off
road on tiny tyres is no fun for the reasons Simon gave. A
tourer can cope with anything I could walk in flat shoes,
then a bit.

Kit

Doki said:

How rough going would a road / path need to be before it
was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the bloke
who's only ever had MTBs 😉.

To make it easier to answer the question, how about you give
us some examples of roads and paths you're thinking of. What
surface? How long? How often?

~PB

Doki said:

How rough going would a road / path need to be before it
was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the bloke
who's only ever had MTBs 😉.

What's a 'normal' bike then ? Road bikes come in all sorts
of shapes and designs. Even seen some with soft heads, is
that the new term for front suspension ?, on the Paris -
Roubaix. I think you'll be surprised what a 'normal' bike
can do with a skilled rider on board.

Why do you ask BTW ?

Doki said:

MSeries said:

Doki said:

How rough going would a road / path need to be before it
was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the
bloke who's only ever had MTBs 😉.

What's a 'normal' bike then ? Road bikes come in all
sorts of shapes and designs. Even seen some with soft
heads, is that the new term for front suspension ?, on
the Paris - Roubaix. I think you'll be surprised what a
'normal' bike can do with a skilled rider on board.

Why do you ask BTW ?

I was wondering how different a mountain bike is compared
to a road bike. As I've never even ridden a "proper" road
bike (drops handlebars, big wheels, narrow tyres etc.), I
wondered what they're capable of.

Remember they are designed for going fast and far on the
road whereas mountain bikes arn't.

Doki said:

I was wondering how different a mountain bike is compared
to a road bike. As I've never even ridden a "proper" road
bike (drops handlebars, big wheels, narrow tyres etc.), I
wondered what they're capable of.

Have a look at the Rough Stuff Fellowship's website
rsf.org.ukrsf.org.ukOpen ↗ They were taking ordinary bikes
seriously off-road before anyone had heard of Joe Breeze and
Marin County and still do. As a norm though a road bike will
handle gravel tracks and rough surfaces taken slowly but
once it starts to get rocky and loose you would probably
want to hop off and carry it.

Tony

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Doki posted ...

Quoted message said:

How rough going would a road / path need to be before it
was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the bloke
who's only ever had MTBs 😉.

Really quite rough .. look at cyclo cross bikes.

Objection, yer honour. A cyclo-cross bike isn't even nearly
a road bike.

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Philby, oddly enough.

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Kit Wolf said:

Doki said:

Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <[email hidden]>,
> Doki ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:
>
>> How rough going would a road / path need to be before
>> it was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the
>> bloke who's only ever had MTBs 😉.
>
> Depends on how narrow the tyres are. If very narrow,
> then anything but smooth tarmac is uncomfortable. Also,
> although narrow tyres are normally inflated very hard
> indeed, too many potholes will sooner or later cause
> pinch flats.

I was thinking racer style, so narrow narrow tyres.

Exactly what sort of cycling are you thinking of, Doki?
Off road on tiny tyres is no fun for the reasons Simon
gave. A tourer can cope with anything I could walk in
flat shoes, then a bit.

I wasn't thinking of going off road on a road bike 🙂, I
was just wondering how much more capable a MTB is
compared to a road bike for soaking up bumps and taking
some hammer.

Oh - incomparably. If you rode a good light road bike over
ten miles of any perfectly normal red section you would
cause it serious damage. You'd quite likely write off both
wheels, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a failed
fork crown. Take a good light road bike over a ten foot drop
off and you'd have to be exceptionally skilled to land it
without destroying it completely. Modern 'free ride' and
downhill bikes are extremely strong.

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Simon Brooke said:

Oh - incomparably. If you rode a good light road bike over
ten miles of any perfectly normal red section you would
cause it serious damage. You'd quite likely write off both
wheels, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a failed
fork crown.

Red section?

Quoted message said:

Take a good light road bike over a ten foot drop off and
you'd have to be exceptionally skilled to land it without
destroying it completely. Modern 'free ride' and downhill
bikes are extremely strong.

I've seen young lads doing the bombholes and exit jumps on
road bikes at Thetford Forest without problems. Suspension
and a strong frame mean you can get away with less finesse
but its not absolutely essential especially if all your
mates are doing it and a road bike is all you've got!

Tony

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Quoted message said:

How rough going would a road / path need to be before it
was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the bloke
who's only ever had MTBs 😉.

I rode down our cobbled High Street last night and was
shaken to bits on 23mm tyres.

--

Simon M. in Hull

Doki said:

I wasn't thinking of going off road on a road bike 🙂, I
was just wondering how much more capable a MTB is
compared to a road bike for soaking up bumps and taking
some hammer.

Given the state of the roads I ride my tourer on, I would
say that it's a non-issue. I find that 100+PSI in the tyres
makes Sustrans gravel-coated paths a bit dicey, but I have
yet to find an actual road which was not passable with
700x32c tyres. You can add suspension and be more
comfortable and less efficient if you want to, but a tourer
is pretty much ideal for road riding.

Assuming you haven't got a recumbent ;-)

Guy

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Assuming you haven't got a recumbent ;-)

As I understand it at the minute Guy, neither have
you... :-)

Jon

Jon Senior said:

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Assuming you haven't got a recumbent ;-)

As I understand it at the minute Guy, neither have
you... :-)

Below the belt ;-)

Tony

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Jon Senior said:

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Assuming you haven't got a recumbent ;-)

As I understand it at the minute Guy, neither have
you... :-)

Below the belt ;-)

But irresistable. I'm sure Guy won't take it personally.

Jon

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Doki said:

I was wondering how different a mountain bike is compared
to a road bike. As I've never even ridden a "proper" road
bike (drops handlebars, big wheels, narrow tyres etc.), I
wondered what they're capable of.

A Tourer is all-round best: fast and comfortable (a little
short of a training or racing bike) on smooth tarmac; robust
(a little short of an MTB) on the rough. Oh, and stable
under load: useful when you have full camping gear or your
weekly shopping.

I've done *much* rougher tracks on a tourer than most MTBs
ever see. And I've slipstreamed time-triallists and flat-out
mopeds whilst carrying full camping gear. OK, I was a strong
twentysomething once ...

--
Nick Kew

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Simon Brooke posted ...

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Doki posted ...

Quoted message said:

How rough going would a road / path need to be before it
was pretty much impassable on a road bike? Spot the
bloke who's only ever had MTBs 😉.

Really quite rough .. look at cyclo cross bikes.

Objection, yer honour. A cyclo-cross bike isn't even
nearly a road bike.

Depends what level you start cyclo-cross at. I know many
people at club level who use normal road bikes with beefier
wheels and tyres .. 😉

--
Paul

(8(|) Homer rocks .. 😉