MTB Rims ..

elyob said:

Just managed to crack my rear rims after a spill ... they
were Mavic X221's which sell for 17 on wiggle. However the
reviews are pretty dire on BikeMagic. So, my chance to get
something different.

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I'm a heavy rider, hitting things straight on 🙂 And have
had no real problems with the X221's.

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I need 32 holes, and a book or recommendation on wheel
builders around Kingston-upon-Thames.

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Thanks in advance ...

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Nick "Still nursing/showing off my self-inflicted wounds"

The book to read on bike wheels seems to be The
Bicycle Wheel by Jobst Brandt.

.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0960723668/ref=sr_aps_books_1_1/202-
8632480-3405459

Sheldon Brown also (unsuprisingly) has some info
which can be found at
sheldonbrown.comwheelbuild.htmlOpen ↗

I've build a couple of wheels with Mavic X221. The
wheels have been used for commuting and XC ifor a
year and having checked them yesterday are still as
true as when I build them. The rider is considerably
more careful and lighter than I am though🙂

Whether you want to rebuild with the same rims or
get something a bit more pricey is up to you though
I'm sure people with more experience will have
suggestions.
--
Tim. /\ /\ O___O
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elyob said:

Just managed to crack my rear rims after a spill ...
they were Mavic

X221's

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

which sell for 17 on wiggle. However the reviews are
pretty dire on BikeMagic. So, my chance to get something
different.

Quoted message said:

I'm a heavy rider, hitting things straight on 🙂 And
have had no real problems with the X221's.

Quoted message said:

I need 32 holes, and a book or recommendation on wheel
builders around Kingston-upon-Thames.

Quoted message said:

Thanks in advance ...

Quoted message said:

Nick "Still nursing/showing off my self-inflicted
wounds"

The book to read on bike wheels seems to be The Bicycle
Wheel by Jobst Brandt.

.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0960723668/ref=sr_aps_books_1_1/202-
8632480-3405459

Quoted message said:

Sheldon Brown also (unsuprisingly) has some info which can
be found at sheldonbrown.comwheelbuild.htmlOpen ↗

I've build a couple of wheels with Mavic X221. The wheels
have been used for commuting and XC ifor a year and having
checked them yesterday are still as true as when I build
them. The rider is considerably more careful and lighter
than I am though🙂

Whether you want to rebuild with the same rims or get
something a bit more pricey is up to you though I'm sure
people with more experience will have suggestions.

Thanks Tim, Managed 5000 miles on the X221's, so can't be
all bad. Only had to true them once or twice. Was going
to try and true them after the spill when I noticed three
big cracks 🙂

elyob said:

"Tim Izod" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2jg0j6F10qng2U1@uni-
berlin.de...

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elyob said:

Just managed to crack my rear rims after a spill ...
they were Mavic

X221's

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

which sell for 17 on wiggle. However the reviews are
pretty dire on BikeMagic. So, my chance to get
something different.

Quoted message said:

I'm a heavy rider, hitting things straight on 🙂 And
have had no real problems with the X221's.

Quoted message said:

I need 32 holes, and a book or recommendation on wheel
builders around Kingston-upon-Thames.

Quoted message said:

Thanks in advance ...

Quoted message said:

Nick "Still nursing/showing off my self-inflicted
wounds"

[snip my waffle]

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Thanks Tim, Managed 5000 miles on the X221's, so can't be
all bad. Only had to true them once or twice. Was going to
try and true them after the spill when I noticed three big
cracks 🙂

Out of curiosity I've has a peep at the reviews on
www.mtbreview.com as well as on Bike Magic. They do
seem to be divided between the good value for money
and last if wheels build well and the d00d! th3y d13
if U do jumpz on them camps. Hmmm. That suggests
something to me about the way they may have been
treated by the people with early failures🙂
--
Tim. /\ /\ O___O
=\__|__/= meow.
U

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elyob said:

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elyob <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Just managed to crack my rear rims after a spill ...
> they were Mavic

X221's

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> which sell for 17 on wiggle. However the reviews are
> pretty dire on BikeMagic. So, my chance to get
> something different.

> I'm a heavy rider, hitting things straight on 🙂 And
> have had no real problems with the X221's.

> I need 32 holes, and a book or recommendation on
> wheel builders

around

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> Kingston-upon-Thames.

> Thanks in advance ...

> Nick "Still nursing/showing off my self-inflicted
> wounds"

[snip my waffle]

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Thanks Tim, Managed 5000 miles on the X221's, so can't
be all bad. Only

had

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to true them once or twice. Was going to try and true
them after the

spill

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when I noticed three big cracks 🙂

Out of curiosity I've has a peep at the reviews on
www.mtbreview.com as well as on Bike Magic. They do seem
to be divided between the good value for money and last if
wheels build well and the d00d! th3y d13 if U do jumpz on
them camps. Hmmm. That suggests something to me about the
way they may have been treated by the people with early
failures🙂

Should I replace all the spokes at the same time? I've
already decided to replace the front rim at the same time.

elyob said:

Just managed to crack my rear rims after a spill ... they
were Mavic X221's which sell for £17 on wiggle. However
the reviews are pretty dire on BikeMagic. So, my chance to
get something different.

I'm a heavy rider, hitting things straight on 🙂 And have
had no real problems with the X221's.

Well, you did eventually have a problem. The X618 looks like
a stronger rim to me. It officially requires spokes to be
about 1mm shorter but you might possibly get a way with
reusing the same length spokes with a bit of luck.

There's no need to change spokes if they haven't been
breaking and aren't badly kinked. It saves effort as well as
money to resuse them as replacing a rim is easier than
lacing from scratch. Might be an idea to replace the
nipples, though, especially if you've been playing with them
:-)

On the other hand, if the *hub* isn't much cop anyway, you
could cut your losses and get a whole new wheel(s). Merlin
Cycles have great deals for handbuilt mail-order MTB wheels.
Deore and LX hubs are decent for most uses.

~PB

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Just managed to crack my rear rims after a spill ... they
were Mavic X221's which sell for £17 on wiggle. However
the reviews are pretty dire on BikeMagic. So, my chance to
get something different.

I'm a heavy rider, hitting things straight on 🙂 And have
had no real problems with the X221's.

I need 32 holes, and a book or recommendation on wheel
builders around Kingston-upon-Thames.

If you're a heavy rider, would 36 hole be better? You'd need
new hubs, of course.

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text.cableinet.net>, elyob

(') said:

Just managed to crack my rear rims after a spill ...
they were Mavic X221's which sell for £17 on wiggle.
However the reviews are pretty dire on BikeMagic. So, my
chance to get something different.

I'm a heavy rider, hitting things straight on 🙂 And
have had no real problems with the X221's.

I need 32 holes, and a book or recommendation on wheel
builders around Kingston-upon-Thames.

If you're a heavy rider, would 36 hole be better? You'd
need new hubs, of course.

I'm a poor heavy rider 😉 Popped in order for the same
X221's .... I guess if they did 5000 miles, they did well.
It'll also be easier to swap over. It'll be my first
rebuilds, so may just put together then get someone to
tension them. Don't want them collapsing at 40mph 😉

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I'm a poor heavy rider 😉 Popped in order for the same
X221's .... I guess if they did 5000 miles, they did well.
It'll also be easier to swap over. It'll be my first
rebuilds, so may just put together then get someone to
tension them. Don't want them collapsing at 40mph 😉

I've used them and had no problems. Only replaced them on my
mtb when the braking surfaces wore out, still have a pair on
my old mtb/winter hack which are home builds.

--
Regards, Pete

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Quoted message said:

Just managed to crack my rear rims after a spill ... they
were Mavic X221's which sell for £17 on wiggle. However
the reviews are pretty dire on BikeMagic. So, my chance to
get something different.

I'm a heavy rider, hitting things straight on 🙂 And have
had no real problems with the X221's.

I need 32 holes, and a book or recommendation on wheel
builders around Kingston-upon-Thames.

Thanks in advance ...

Nick "Still nursing/showing off my self-inflicted wounds"

I have read the other reactions on Nick's post and am
wondering why literally *nobody* mentions any other make of
rims than Mavic? These are not all that good (X517!).

Why not consider alternatives like DT's fine DT XR 4.1? Or
Sun Rhyno Lite or ..... ?

--
Mvg, Marten

Marten Hoffmann said:

I have read the other reactions on Nick's post and am
wondering why literally *nobody* mentions any other make
of rims than Mavic? These are not all that good (X517!).

Mavic rims are mentioned so often just because they are so
common and available. One can't recommend or suggest
something one hasn't tried or knows about. That's not to say
other brands won't be as good or better.

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Why not consider alternatives like DT's fine DT XR 4.1? Or
Sun Rhyno Lite or ..... ?

Where can I find the full specifications of these rims?
Preferably including profile pictures/diagrams.

thanks ~PB

Pete Biggs said:

Mavic rims are mentioned so often just because they
are so common and available. One can't recommend
or suggest something one hasn't tried or knows about.

That is quite untrue. These mailing lists depend almost entirely on large numbers of people making recommendations based on no knowledge or experience whatsoever, merely repeating the prevailing dogma with sufficient conviction to convey a false impression of expertise.

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Why not consider alternatives like DT's fine DT XR 4.1?
Or Sun Rhyno Lite or ..... ?

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Where can I find the full specifications of these rims?
Preferably including profile pictures/diagrams.

It often makes sense to look for this information on the Internet site of the manufacturer.

http://www.sun-ringle.com/ShowRoom/MTB/Rims/rhynomtb.html

http://www.dtswiss.com/index.asp?fuseaction=rims.bike

I do hope this helps.

N. Lenderby (Mrs)

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I'm a poor heavy rider 😉 Popped in order for the same
X221's .... I

guess

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if they did 5000 miles, they did well. It'll also be
easier to swap

over.

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It'll be my first rebuilds, so may just put together
then get someone to tension them. Don't want them
collapsing at 40mph 😉

I've used them and had no problems. Only replaced them on
my mtb when the braking surfaces wore out, still have a
pair on my old mtb/winter hack which are home builds.

I was starting to worry about the real rims myself. It's not
really something that I check that often .. i.e. am I
weakening the sidewalls of the rims? Especially as I found a
couple of lumps of metal in my last brake blocks that made a
hell of a noise. It was at least 5mm long.

I guess I'm sitting here thinking, if it ain't broke (thx
M.H.) then why nit do the same. Okay, they are bronke, but
5k miles is a good time to replace.

A good question to me (as an ex-car driver) - why not put a
yearly service and maximum mileage on rims? I know the
answer already. It's down to how you ride, and your terrain.
But how many car drivers stick to their service schedule
just for the hell of it?

Thanks all for the help so far, but please advise me on
wheel strengthing. Am I write on paying an expert to true
the wheel? Do they have the equivalent of torque wrenches
for spoke keys?

Nick

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Marten Hoffmann said:

Why not consider alternatives like DT's fine DT XR 4.1?
Or Sun Rhyno Lite or ..... ?

Where can I find the full specifications of these rims?
Preferably including profile pictures/diagrams.

<URL:http://www.dtswiss.com/index.asp?fuseaction=rims.bi-
ke> <URL:http://www.dtswiss.com/data/files/DAT_EN_304302-
32103.pdf>

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cancer, only 14? -- user 'Tackhead', in /.
discussion of copyright law, 22/05/02

Nora Lenderby said:

Pete Biggs said:

Mavic rims are mentioned so often just because they are
so common and available. One can't recommend or suggest
something one hasn't tried or knows about.

That is quite untrue. These mailing lists depend almost
entirely on large numbers of people making recommendations
based on no knowledge or experience whatsoever, merely
repeating the prevailing dogma with sufficient conviction
to convey a false impression of expertise.

Ooh, funny but harsh. I'd say uk.rec.cycling works so well
because there's enough people who do post advice based on
real knowledge or experience.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why not consider alternatives like DT's fine DT XR 4.1?
Or Sun Rhyno Lite or ..... ?

Quoted message said:

Where can I find the full specifications of these rims?
Preferably including profile pictures/diagrams.

It often makes sense to look for this information on the
Internet site of the manufacturer.

Quite right.

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sun-ringle.comrhynomtb.htmlOpen ↗

dtswiss.comindex.aspOpen ↗

I do hope this helps.

N. Lenderby (Mrs)

Thank you. It's funny how lazy I can be when asking
questions when I often spend so much time researching for
answers I post. Perhaps that's the way these newsgroups
work, eh? I suppose it's nice to sometimes get something
back for free.

cheers ~PB (Mr)

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Thanks all for the help so far, but please advise me on
wheel strengthing. Am I write on paying an expert to true
the wheel? Do they have the equivalent of torque wrenches
for spoke keys?

There are spoke tensionmeters available but I bet they're
not widely used.

The way to learn how to tension spokes is to use a good
wheel as a sample and with a bit of patience and care
replicate the tension. This is highly subjective but IME
isn't as critical (or maybe I'm just naturally good at it
;-) as some would have you believe.

sheldonbrown.comindex.htmlOpen ↗ is a most
excellent site!

It isn't cost effective to build a complete wheel from
scratch (as already pointed out) but is very satisfying
if you have spare time and you will learn trueing which
is useful.

The last wheels I built was 6 months ago, X517 on Hope XC,
they have been seriously hammered in the Peaks and Lakes
and have required a minimum of re-trueing. I did the rear
a few weeks back and haven't done the front at all yet.
I'm entirely self taught. A colleague also built a pair
for the first time which looked great, I can't attest to
how they fared though. If we can do it so can you, it's
mainly about patience.
--
Regards, Pete

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Thank you. It's funny how lazy I can be when asking
questions when I often spend so much time researching for
answers I post. Perhaps that's the way these newsgroups
work, eh? I suppose it's nice to sometimes get something
back for free.

Same here ;-)

BTW, the Sun Rhyno Lite is a trustworthy rim, very often
used on tandems. So this should hold up to almost any solo
cross-country rider.

--
Regards, Marten