MTB rigid fork

I recommend the Ritchey cro-mo forks, although who knows how it might mess up the geometry of her
bike. These came on Ritchey P-23's and whatnot and the nicer Bridgestones and should be around and
available used as many of them were ignorantly swapped out for shocks back in the day. These cro-mo
forks last longer under heavy trail use than any suspension fork on the market, and the ride quality
is excellent.

Robert

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Carroll said:

My wife will be taking a Jamis Exile (2003 all stock) eqipped with an Xtracycle on our touring
vacation this summer. The Exile is a Reynolds 520 chromoly frame with a Manitou Axel suspension
fork on it, and I was thinking she might like a rigid steel MTB fork for the trip. Any
suggestions? I'd like to buy something that can do some offroad duty, and be comfortable. Thanks!

Comfort (suspension effects) is not a function of rigid forks. Use tire pressure to regulate front-
end comfort, or maybe a suspension stem.

Aside from that, the good news is that steel rigid forks are incredibly cheap and widely available.
Look for a "suspension corrected" fork: your frame is designed for the extra 3-4" of height a
suspension fork adds (versus the shortest rigid fork possible). Most current rigid forks are
corrected, but old forks (such as might come from the nearest old MTB) are not.

bikeman.commerchant.mvOpen ↗ ory_Code=SSFK

Prices from $41-120. Note that some of these forks have either disc or cantilever mounts, and the
Surly 1x1 has both. I favour the Kona Project 2 fork, but only because it's big and tough looking,
and Kona is both a local company (to me) and has a rep for building their stuff big and tough (my
MTB is an old steel Kona, but with a Z.2 on it).

No endorsement of that vendor, BTW: they just came up in Google as having a decent selection. You
can probably find a cheaper fork at your local LBSes if you shop around.

"local LBS." Yeah, I know,
--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Look this up: viciouscycles.comindex.php3Open ↗ They make a great rigid fork.

Gary Jacobson Rosendale, NY

"Dave Carroll" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

My wife will be taking a Jamis Exile (2003 all stock) eqipped with an Xtracycle on our touring
vacation this summer. The Exile is a Reynolds 520 chromoly frame with a Manitou Axel suspension
fork on it, and I was thinking she might like a rigid steel MTB fork for the trip. Any
suggestions? I'd like to buy something that can do some offroad duty, and be comfortable. Thanks!

Dave Carroll said:

My wife will be taking a Jamis Exile (2003 all stock) eqipped with an Xtracycle on our touring
vacation this summer. The Exile is a Reynolds 520 chromoly frame with a Manitou Axel suspension
fork on it, and I was thinking she might like a rigid steel MTB fork for the trip.

Did you ask her about this? I can't imagine why she would want to make the bike less comfortable to
got touring.

Indeed, with the Xtracycle, she'll get even more benefit from the boingy fork than she would without
it, and it's hard for me to believe any Xtracycle user is a weight weenie! ;-)

Quoted message said:

Any suggestions? I'd like to buy something that can do some offroad duty, and be comfortable.

No rigid fork will be as comfortable or offroad-worthy as her boinger.

My advice is to buy her a pair of SPD sandals instead.

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Quoted message said:

Did you ask her about this? I can't imagine why she would want to make the bike less comfortable
to got touring.

Indeed, with the Xtracycle, she'll get even more benefit from the boingy fork than she would
without it, and it's hard for me to believe any Xtracycle user is a weight weenie! ;-)

Quoted message said:

Any suggestions? I'd like to buy something that can do some offroad duty, and be comfortable.

No rigid fork will be as comfortable or offroad-worthy as her boinger.

My advice is to buy her a pair of SPD sandals instead.

Sheldon "Why?" Brown

That's a good question; she brought it up first, because she was concerned about how the fork's bob
on a tour. She thought it might be nice to have a rigid fork around to try racing cross next season,
until she has a real cross bike. I don't think she was thinking about weight at all, I think it was
about the suspension sucking up some of her force when riding. Is that not a real problem while
touring? She brought the matter up casually, and we forgot about it. Recently, though, I was
thinking about how I'll be on a cross bike (pulling a trailer) and I didn't want her to feel
disadvantaged by the Manitou fork.

I'm sure she would LOVE those sandals. Once I mention them to her, I'm sure she'll get them, too!

Quoted message said:

Comfort (suspension effects) is not a function of rigid forks. Use tire pressure to regulate front-
end comfort, or maybe a suspension stem.

Aside from that, the good news is that steel rigid forks are incredibly cheap and widely
available. Look for a "suspension corrected" fork: your frame is designed for the extra 3-4" of
height a suspension fork adds (versus the shortest rigid fork possible). Most current rigid forks
are corrected, but old forks (such as might come from the nearest old MTB) are not.

bikeman.commerchant.mvOpen ↗ ory_Code=SSFK

Prices from $41-120. Note that some of these forks have either disc or cantilever mounts, and the
Surly 1x1 has both. I favour the Kona Project 2 fork, but only because it's big and tough looking,
and Kona is both a local company (to me) and has a rep for building their stuff big and tough (my
MTB is an old steel Kona, but with a Z.2 on it).

No endorsement of that vendor, BTW: they just came up in Google as having a decent selection. You
can probably find a cheaper fork at your local LBSes if you shop around.

"local LBS." Yeah, I know,

Thanks! I'm interested in the Surly or Kona fork, but I was wondering if swapping from a Manitou
suspension fork to one of these would affect the bike's geometry much, or at all? I've never done
this, so the answer might be obvious, but I don't know.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon Brown said:

Dave Carroll said:

My wife will be taking a Jamis Exile (2003 all stock) eqipped with an Xtracycle on our touring
vacation this summer. The Exile is a Reynolds 520 chromoly frame with a Manitou Axel suspension
fork on it, and I was thinking she might like a rigid steel MTB fork for the trip.

Did you ask her about this? I can't imagine why she would want to make the bike less comfortable
to got touring.

Indeed, with the Xtracycle, she'll get even more benefit from the boingy fork than she would
without it, and it's hard for me to believe any Xtracycle user is a weight weenie! ;-)

Quoted message said:

No rigid fork will be as comfortable or offroad-worthy as her boinger.

My advice is to buy her a pair of SPD sandals instead.

Sheldon "Why?" Brown

I think we're making suggestions at cross-purposes, Sheldon, because we're assuming different things
about this touring vacation.

I assumed from the wording this was going to be primarily a pavement excursion, and you're clearly
worried about going off-road on the bike.

For on-road use, I'm doubtful that the suspension would be worth the pedalling inefficiencies,
though I don't know the Axel fork (seems to be a cheap but functional coil/oil fork). I know from my
occasional on-road riding with my MTB that the suspension fork is a mild but persistent annoyance
when pedalling hard.

For off-road use, I'd think the Xtracycle would be the bigger problem, but SPD sandals for off-
roading? That seems like a bad idea for any trail gnarly enough to be improved by a suspension fork.
Then again, I just bought a pair of high-ankle AXO Vertigo downhiller shoes, primarily for commuting
duties, so maybe I don't have much to say on the subject of appropriate footwear.

What the heck, they were $20,
--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Carroll said:

Quoted message said:

Comfort (suspension effects) is not a function of rigid forks. Use tire pressure to regulate front-
end comfort, or maybe a suspension stem.

Aside from that, the good news is that steel rigid forks are incredibly cheap and widely
available. Look for a "suspension corrected" fork: your frame is designed for the extra 3-4" of
height a suspension fork adds (versus the shortest rigid fork possible). Most current rigid
forks are corrected, but old forks (such as might come from the nearest old MTB) are not.

bikeman.commerchant.mvOpen ↗ ory_Code=SSFK

Prices from $41-120. Note that some of these forks have either disc or cantilever mounts, and
the Surly 1x1 has both. I favour the Kona Project 2 fork, but only because it's big and tough
looking, and Kona is both a local company (to me) and has a rep for building their stuff big and
tough (my MTB is an old steel Kona, but with a Z.2 on it).

No endorsement of that vendor, BTW: they just came up in Google as having a decent selection.
You can probably find a cheaper fork at your local LBSes if you shop around.

"local LBS." Yeah, I know,

Thanks! I'm interested in the Surly or Kona fork, but I was wondering if swapping from a Manitou
suspension fork to one of these would affect the bike's geometry much, or at all? I've never done
this, so the answer might be obvious, but I don't know.

No. A "suspension-corrected" rigid fork is designed to be tall enough to match the height of the
original suspension fork. Almost all modern MTBs, even those supplied with a rigid fork, use
"suspension" geometry, and all recent rigid forks (except those designed specifically for old non-
suspension bikes) are designed to not change the geometry.

--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Quoted message said:

No. A "suspension-corrected" rigid fork is designed to be tall enough to match the height of the
original suspension fork. Almost all modern MTBs, even those supplied with a rigid fork, use
"suspension" geometry, and all recent rigid forks (except those designed specifically for old non-
suspension bikes) are designed to not change the geometry.

That's good to know. I found a Surly fork for about $60 bucks, so I think I'll go for that, unless I
see a decent one for less. Since the vast vast majority of the trip will be on-road, I'm sure it
will help.

Quoted message said:

For off-road use, I'd think the Xtracycle would be the bigger problem, but SPD sandals for off-
roading? That seems like a bad idea for any trail gnarly enough to be improved by a suspension
fork. Then again, I just bought a pair of high-ankle AXO Vertigo downhiller shoes, primarily for
commuting duties, so maybe I don't have much to say on the subject of appropriate footwear.

What the heck, they were $20,

Most of the people I know with Xtracycles use them primarily off-road, and I think it's just
fine on the singletrack when I ride that bike. But you're right, almost all of our riding will
be on the road.

Dave Carroll said:

My wife will be taking a Jamis Exile (2003 all stock) eqipped with an Xtracycle on our touring
vacation this summer. The Exile is a Reynolds 520 chromoly frame with a Manitou Axel suspension
fork on it, and I was thinking she might like a rigid steel MTB fork for the trip. Any
suggestions? I'd like to buy something that can do some offroad duty, and be comfortable.

Kona Project Two - they're still available. Whether it's comfortable or not is a matter of opinion.

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon Brown said:

Dave Carroll said:

My wife will be taking a Jamis Exile (2003 all stock) eqipped with an Xtracycle on our touring
vacation this summer. The Exile is a Reynolds 520 chromoly frame with a Manitou Axel suspension
fork on it, and I was thinking she might like a rigid steel MTB fork for the trip.

I asked:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Did you ask her about this? I can't imagine why she would want to make the bike less comfortable
to got touring.

Indeed, with the Xtracycle, she'll get even more benefit from the boingy fork than she would
without it, and it's hard for me to believe any Xtracycle user is a weight weenie! ;-)

Quoted message said:

No rigid fork will be as comfortable or offroad-worthy as her boinger.

My advice is to buy her a pair of SPD sandals instead.

Ryan Cousineau said:

I think we're making suggestions at cross-purposes, Sheldon, because we're assuming different
things about this touring vacation.

I assumed from the wording this was going to be primarily a pavement excursion, and you're clearly
worried about going off-road on the bike.

Nope, I also suppposed it would be primarily on road, with, perhaps a bit of incidental light duty
dirt road riding.

Quoted message said:

For on-road use, I'm doubtful that the suspension would be worth the pedalling inefficiencies,

I'm not aware of such inefficiencies, if the rider has a smooth riding style.

Quoted message said:

though I don't know the Axel fork (seems to be a cheap but functional coil/oil fork). I know from
my occasional on-road riding with my MTB that the suspension fork is a mild but persistent
annoyance when pedalling hard.

Touring cyclists don't generally pedal hard, they use their gears to conserve their physical
resources.

Quoted message said:

For off-road use, I'd think the Xtracycle would be the bigger problem, but SPD sandals for
off-roading? That seems like a bad idea for any trail gnarly enough to be improved by a
suspension fork.

I wouldn't recommend them for gnarly trails through the underbrush, but for touring they
can't be beat.

Any imperfect road surface can be improved by a suspension fork, however.

Sheldon "Comfort vs Speed" Brown +-----------------------------------+
| Habit is the nursery of errors. | --Victor Hugo |
+-----------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772
FAX 617-244-1041 harriscyclery.comharriscyclery.comOpen ↗ Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
captainbike.comcaptainbike.comOpen ↗ sheldonbrown.comsheldonbrown.comOpen ↗

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon Brown said:

Ryan Cousineau, in part:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For on-road use, I'm doubtful that the suspension would be worth the pedalling inefficiencies,

I replied

Quoted message said:

I'm not aware of such inefficiencies, if the rider has a smooth riding style >>

Someone who didn't want to reveal his secret identity replied:

Quoted message said:

Front suspension can be an annoyance for those of us who like to stand out of the saddle. This
is true not only on roads but on smooth trails as well.

That's true, but this was for a _touring_ application. Touring cyclists don't stand and honk so
much. They also can get greater benefit from the comfort of suspension, as they tend to ride for
longer stretches of time.

How much comfort would you expect a suspension to supply on normal roads? I would have thought that
marginally fat tires were overkill for anything besides rutted gravel roads.

I don't have any touring experience, but the 5-hour rides I have done were acceptably comfortable
with 20-25 mm tires, and I ended with more butt problems than hand problems.

I'm into geeky racing applications, so I will try to limit my opinions in this matter 🙂.
--
Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon Brown said:

Ryan Cousineau, in part:

Quoted message said:

> For on-road use, I'm doubtful that the suspension would be worth the pedalling
> inefficiencies,

I replied

Quoted message said:

I'm not aware of such inefficiencies, if the rider has a smooth riding style >>

Someone who didn't want to reveal his secret identity replied:

Quoted message said:

Front suspension can be an annoyance for those of us who like to stand out of the saddle. This
is true not only on roads but on smooth trails as well.

That's true, but this was for a _touring_ application. Touring cyclists don't stand and honk so
much. They also can get greater benefit from the comfort of suspension, as they tend to ride for
longer stretches of time.

How much comfort would you expect a suspension to supply on normal roads? I would have thought
that marginally fat tires were overkill for anything besides rutted gravel roads.

I don't have any touring experience, but the 5-hour rides I have done were acceptably comfortable
with 20-25 mm tires, and I ended with more butt problems than hand problems.

Depends a lot on the road surface you're riding on. I know some tarmac roads (OK, in a poor state,
but still tarmac) that are unridable with 20mm tyres.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) jasmine.org.uk~simonOpen ↗

do not sail on uphill water
- Bill Lee

Simon Brooke said:

Depends a lot on the road surface you're riding on. I know some tarmac roads (OK, in a poor state,
but still tarmac) that are unridable with 20mm tyres.

I can believe that, but I don't think the answer is suspension.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Cousineau said:

How much comfort would you expect a suspension to supply on normal roads? I would have thought that
marginally fat tires were overkill for anything besides rutted gravel roads.

I don't have any touring experience, but the 5-hour rides I have done were acceptably comfortable
with 20-25 mm tires, and I ended with more butt problems than hand problems.

After 20 years on road touring bikes (Trek 520 and similar) with 25--28 mm tires, last year I bought
my first mountain bike. I find all of my riding to be much more comfortable, since every sort of
bump is smoothed out, from streetcar tracks in the city to tarlines on highways to dips in unpaved
roads. This is easier on both hands and backside. I also feel safer when riding fast, because I
don't worry about bumps in the road throwing me off balance (or causing pinch flats, which I have
had even with 7 bar air pressure in the 28 mm tires). Overall I am probably faster on the mountain
bike than on the touring bike.

--
Ned Mantei Department of Cell Biology, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology CH-8093 Zurich,
Switzerland

RE/

Quoted message said:

I also feel safer when riding fast, because I don't worry about bumps in the road throwing me
off balance

...or those grates with bars parallel to the bikes path spaced about 2cm.....
--
PeteCresswell