MTB Racer - RIP

"Ride-A-Lot" <mitchell@[nospam]schnauzers.ws> wrote in message
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Who let the damned SUV's on the trail? This sucks.

http://www.velonews.com/race/mtn/articles/5962.0.html

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Not sure who was at fault here... I was in this race riding Sport Class... I
came by after the accident and before the EMT's... When I went by I saw the
one guy rolling around on the ground with the broken arm and they had a
blanket around the who had passed. I remember riding by thinking that did
not look good.

One thing that I will say that may be confusing in the article... The race
organizers stated many times to be careful due to on comming traffic on the
road. The way those mirrors stick out on vechicles (the trailer mirrors). it
would be hard to see... No one found out about the death until after the
race. It definitely cast a down mood on the event...

I think I speak for everyone at the event that our hearts go out to his
family. No one expects to die in a MTB race...

-p

Ride-A-Lot said:

Who let the damned SUV's on the trail? This sucks.

http://www.velonews.com/race/mtn/articles/5962.0.html

My condolences to friends and family. Unfortunately Kane Creek is a
fairly busy road.
I always hated road racing on open roads. Packs aren't as smart as
individual riders in that you may be following a wheel of a rider,
following a wheel of a rider following the guy at the front. The guy at
the front sees an obstacle and reacts to avoid it as anyone would. Four
guys back in the pack, all of a sudden the "wheel" disappears to the
side and you're staring at an unavoidable hazard. I could think of
several different ways where this guy could've ended up eating a mirror
coming at him at 70 mph (both vehicles cumulative speed) where no major
mistakes on anyone's part were responsible. Just the cumulative effects
of several people. You can't trust the pack entirely, and have to look
at what's ahead-hard to do on a twisting dirt road at 40 mph in a pack
of riders.

Shawn

Shawn Curry said:

Ride-A-Lot said:

Who let the damned SUV's on the trail? This sucks.

http://www.velonews.com/race/mtn/articles/5962.0.html

My condolences to friends and family. Unfortunately Kane Creek is a
fairly busy road.
I always hated road racing on open roads. Packs aren't as smart as
individual riders in that you may be following a wheel of a rider,
following a wheel of a rider following the guy at the front. The guy
at the front sees an obstacle and reacts to avoid it as anyone would.
Four guys back in the pack, all of a sudden the "wheel" disappears to
the side and you're staring at an unavoidable hazard. I could think
of several different ways where this guy could've ended up eating a
mirror coming at him at 70 mph (both vehicles cumulative speed) where
no major mistakes on anyone's part were responsible. Just the
cumulative effects of several people. You can't trust the pack
entirely, and have to look at what's ahead-hard to do on a twisting
dirt road at 40 mph in a pack of riders.

Racers get up to 40mph on MTBs?

Doki said:

Shawn Curry said:

Ride-A-Lot said:

Who let the damned SUV's on the trail? This sucks.

http://www.velonews.com/race/mtn/articles/5962.0.html

My condolences to friends and family. Unfortunately Kane Creek is a
fairly busy road.
I always hated road racing on open roads. Packs aren't as smart as
individual riders in that you may be following a wheel of a rider,
following a wheel of a rider following the guy at the front. The guy
at the front sees an obstacle and reacts to avoid it as anyone would.
Four guys back in the pack, all of a sudden the "wheel" disappears to
the side and you're staring at an unavoidable hazard. I could think
of several different ways where this guy could've ended up eating a
mirror coming at him at 70 mph (both vehicles cumulative speed) where
no major mistakes on anyone's part were responsible. Just the
cumulative effects of several people. You can't trust the pack
entirely, and have to look at what's ahead-hard to do on a twisting
dirt road at 40 mph in a pack of riders.

Racers get up to 40mph on MTBs?

Kane Creek road is fairly steep maybe an 8-10% grade (?) in places and
was good smooth dirt road the last time I rode it (been a whlie). 40
mph in a pack sounds pretty plausible. I've done about 45 on fire roads
by myself and I'm no DHer. Even if the rider and the truck were doing
15, he'd still have no chance. 30 mph is about how fast you're going
after falling 40 feet. Putting it in those terms gives me a good idea
how people lose going up against cars.

Shawn

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:27:35 -0400, "Ride-A-Lot"
<mitchell@[nospam]schnauzers.ws> wrote:

..http://www.velonews.com/race/mtn/articles/5962.0.html

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Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in
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That's pretty much the exception that proves the rule...he was hit by a
car!

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:27:35 -0400, "Ride-A-Lot"
<mitchell@[nospam]schnauzers.ws> wrote:

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rare does not mean death never happens. hence the rarity of it happening.

falling down and dying in my shower is rare too but still a possibility. I
still shower every day. well.......almost anyway!

sheesh

Michael

Shawn Curry said:

Doki said:

Racers get up to 40mph on MTBs?

Kane Creek road is fairly steep maybe an 8-10% grade (?) in places and
was good smooth dirt road the last time I rode it (been a whlie). 40
mph in a pack sounds pretty plausible. I've done about 45 on fire
roads by myself and I'm no DHer. Even if the rider and the truck
were doing 15, he'd still have no chance. 30 mph is about how fast
you're going after falling 40 feet. Putting it in those terms gives
me a good idea how people lose going up against cars.

Ah. I was thinking 40mph on the flat 😉. I've managed 40mph downhill on the
road on my MTB, so I can see how a racer could get up to that on a dirt road
now.

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:27:35 -0400, "Ride-A-Lot"
<mitchell@[nospam]schnauzers.ws> wrote:

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For mountain biker deaths to be rare, they would have to happen on
occasion. If they didn't, they would be non-existent, a claim no one
has made. The fact that one has occured still means that they fall
into the rare catagory and that you are an idiot.

On Sat, 01 May 2004 02:58:03 GMT, Brett Jaffee <[email hidden]>
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..Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in
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..> http://www.velonews.com/race/mtn/articles/5962.0.html
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..That's pretty much the exception that proves the rule...he was hit by a
..car!

No, he wasn't. He ran into the car. Read the article.
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 05:18:03 GMT, "Michael Paul" <[email hidden]>
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.."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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..> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:27:35 -0400, "Ride-A-Lot"
..> <mitchell@[nospam]schnauzers.ws> wrote:
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..> .http://www.velonews.com/race/mtn/articles/5962.0.html
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..rare does not mean death never happens. hence the rarity of it happening.
..
..falling down and dying in my shower is rare too but still a possibility. I
..still shower every day. well.......almost anyway!

Stop wasting water.

..sheesh
..
..Michael
..

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Quoted message said:

.> http://www.velonews.com/race/mtn/articles/5962.0.html
.
.That's pretty much the exception that proves the rule...he was hit by a
.car!

No, he wasn't. He ran into the car. Read the article.

Actually, by mikie's twisted definition, he was on the road so he wasn't
'mt. biking'.

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On Sat, 01 May 2004 02:58:03 GMT, Brett Jaffee

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wrote:

.Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in
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.> http://www.velonews.com/race/mtn/articles/5962.0.html
.
.That's pretty much the exception that proves the rule...he was hit by a
.car!

No, he wasn't. He ran into the car. Read the article.
===

Well, since you claim to have read the article you would know that it
doesn't specifically state precisely what happened.

"he died when he collided with a Ford Excursion sport-utility vehicle that
was towing a trailer"

did he hit the vehcile or did it hit him? hmmmmm, maybe it says later in
the article

"but then the second guy hit the mirror and that caused another guy to hit
him"

so was the unfortunate rider the first or the second?

See Mikey, even you don't know precisely what happened. All the article
says is that somebody died and a collision with a vehicle was involved.
However, if the first rider to actually hit the mirror merely causes the
remainin riders to take some sort of evasive action resulting in the
unfortunate event of matching paths with the vehicle then that is hardly the
same as saying "he ran into the car"

But then, we're all used to your rather poor attempts to use logic to state
your case since you've been discredited by everybody time and time again.

Michael

Michael Paul said:

falling down and dying in my shower is rare too but still a possibility.

And that lame troll Vandeman would probably classify that as a "mountain
biker death", as well.

Every time I see threads like this - his typical Friday-evening trolls - I
wonder if he is really stupid (or insane) enough to think that he's making
sense, or if he's intentionally NOT making sense just to get into
meaningless arguments to entertain himself over the weekend. Who knows...

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To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

"Doki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Shawn Curry said:

Ride-A-Lot said:

Who let the damned SUV's on the trail? This sucks.

http://www.velonews.com/race/mtn/articles/5962.0.html

My condolences to friends and family. Unfortunately Kane Creek is a
fairly busy road.
I always hated road racing on open roads. Packs aren't as smart as
individual riders in that you may be following a wheel of a rider,
following a wheel of a rider following the guy at the front. The guy
at the front sees an obstacle and reacts to avoid it as anyone would.
Four guys back in the pack, all of a sudden the "wheel" disappears to
the side and you're staring at an unavoidable hazard. I could think
of several different ways where this guy could've ended up eating a
mirror coming at him at 70 mph (both vehicles cumulative speed) where
no major mistakes on anyone's part were responsible. Just the
cumulative effects of several people. You can't trust the pack
entirely, and have to look at what's ahead-hard to do on a twisting
dirt road at 40 mph in a pack of riders.

Racers get up to 40mph on MTBs?

Regular riders get up to 40 mph.

Greg

G.T. said:

Quoted message said:

"Doki"

Racers get up to 40mph on MTBs?

Regular riders get up to 40 mph.

Greg

I'm less than regular (shut up Baker) and get up to 40 mph.
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Slacker said:

I'm less than regular (shut up Baker)

Moi? You mean "Sorni" surely? Please.....

Quoted message said:

and get up to 40 mph.

Not going there. ;-)

Steve

Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 02:58:03 GMT, Brett Jaffee
<[email hidden]> wrote:

.Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in
.news:[email hidden]:
.
.> http://www.velonews.com/race/mtn/articles/5962.0.html
.
.That's pretty much the exception that proves the rule...he was hit by
a .car!

No, he wasn't. He ran into the car. Read the article.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Car was moving (and possibly too fast, according to the article), and he
was moving. The car was hit by the bike and the bike was hit by the car.
I'm not sure what difference it makes though, as paved or not, he was on a
road, not a trail.

BTW, we 1/4 through 2004. How many road bikers have been killed since the
start of the year compared to MTB'ers?

Stephen Baker said:

Slacker said:

I'm less than regular (shut up Baker)

Moi? You mean "Sorni" surely? Please.....

DON'T CALL ME SHIRLEY.

Bill "more roughage, Slack" S.