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  1. OK, I'm finally fed up with SPDs.

    It has to be confessed that the SPDs I'm talking about are clones, not
    the real thing. But nevertheless I had a number of 'offs' today where
    my pedals simply failed to release, and a couple of very scary moments
    on particularly difficult technical sections where I wanted to bail out
    and put a foot down but could not because my pedals wouldn't release.
    And the fact that I wasn't confident they'd release made me ride more
    cautiously and less well overall. This isn't to say I didn't have a
    great time - I did - but they definitely took the edge off the day.
    They also weren't clipping in at all easily which made getting going
    after an off on the technical stuff difficult.

    They were (by the end of the ride) on their slackest setting. They were
    nice and clean at the beginning of the ride, although it's fair to say
    they didn't stay that way (but that is the nature of mountain bike
    riding in Scotland in winter).

    So while it's possible that real Shimano SPDs would have been fine I'd
    rather try something completely different.

    My priorities are:

    * They've got to be easy to clip into, secure while you're in, and easy
    to clip out of. Even when filthy and with mud-clogged shoes. Galloway
    in winter is _MUDDY_.

    * They've got to be easy to service. It's got to be easy to strip them
    and get more grease in, and to replace bearings when needed.

    * The cleats have got to fit shoes with SPD-style bolt holes.

    Cost is a lower priority but at the same time if it's really expensive
    it has to justify that by really performing well.

    Under consideration at the moment are:

    * Egg beaters. I have to confess they don't appeal very much. I note
    reviewers talk about their tendency to roll when you're clipping in.
    On the positive side they're pretty minimal and here's no 'platform'
    to get beaten up and tatty looking. And allegedly good at clearing
    mud.

    * Time ATAC. Chunky, ugly, and (except the carbon ones) heavy. They're
    going to get beaten up and tatty looking in no time. But allegedly
    good at clearing mud.

    * Speedplay Frogs. Small, light, elegant, fragile-looking. The platforms
    (which are, let's face it, basically plastic) don't look as if they'd
    survive a serious argument with a lump of granite.

    As you can see I don't have an obvious winner. The carbon ATACs are more
    or less a hundred quid. So are the LOOK egg-beaters (which seem to have
    bigger bearings than the Crank Bros ones). The cheap ATACs are stupidly
    heavy. The cheap egg-beaters allegedly rust.

    Helpful responses would of the form 'I've tried both X and Y, and I
    preferred X for the following reasons...'.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ... a mild, inoffensive sadist...

  2. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <big snip>

    I use Shimano 959's on a couple of bikes and they're great. Shed mud well,
    a bit of float and easy engage/release.

  3. Andy said:

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <big snip>

    I use Shimano 959's on a couple of bikes and they're great. Shed mud
    well, a bit of float and easy engage/release.

    Well I know you want to ditch SPD's - I have 959s and think they're
    brilliant though. In fact I bought a second pair and use them on the road
    bike too!

    Cheers,
    Chris

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    Chris Walters
    Hungerford, UK
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  4. in message <[email hidden]>, Chris Walters

    (') said:
    Andy said:

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    <big snip>

    I use Shimano 959's on a couple of bikes and they're great. Shed mud
    well, a bit of float and easy engage/release.

    Well I know you want to ditch SPD's - I have 959s and think they're
    brilliant though. In fact I bought a second pair and use them on the
    road bike too!

    Thanks for the suggestion, guys, but no, I definitely don't want SPDs
    again.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    "This young man has not the faintest idea how socialists think and does
    not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
    to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
    -- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair

  5. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Chris Walters

    (') said:
    Andy said:

    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    <big snip>

    I use Shimano 959's on a couple of bikes and they're great. Shed mud
    well, a bit of float and easy engage/release.

    Well I know you want to ditch SPD's - I have 959s and think they're
    brilliant though. In fact I bought a second pair and use them on the
    road bike too!

    Thanks for the suggestion, guys, but no, I definitely don't want SPDs
    again.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    "This young man has not the faintest idea how socialists think and does
    not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
    to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
    -- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair


    Me I prefer Time Atacs; I know they are a bit heavy but they're so much
    easier to find with your foot; zero maintenance ( well so far after
    18months) and cope well with the mud etc. if I nede to lose a few grams I
    could lways drink less beer....

    Julia

  6. in message <[email hidden]>, JBB

    (') said:


    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks for the suggestion, guys, but no, I definitely don't want SPDs
    again.


    Me I prefer Time Atacs; I know they are a bit heavy but they're so
    much easier to find with your foot; zero maintenance ( well so far
    after 18months) and cope well with the mud etc. if I nede to lose a
    few grams I could lways drink less beer....

    H'mmm... this morning as work displacement activity I decided to debug
    the problem. I completely disassembled the SPD mechanism in one of the
    pedals to see how it was supposed to work and what was going wrong
    (incredibly fiddly to get the bugger back together!).

    What's happening is in two parts. First, of course, crud isn't helping,
    but second the tread on my shoes is binding on the shoulders of the
    pedal platform and inhibiting both engagement and exit. This is worse
    on the Scott-branded SPD clones (actually WPD, I think) which I've got
    on the Jekyll than on the Cannondale CODA ones that I've got on the
    Mantra, and it's worse with my SIDI winter boots than with my
    Specialized summer shoes. Naturally I was wearing the SIDIs and riding
    the Jekyll yesterday. That definitely puts egg-beaters and ATACs up to
    the top of the list, since the mechanism has better vertical clearance
    above the spindle particularly at the shoulders.

    Or alternatively I could carve away at the tread on my shoes.

    Anyone tried the Look egg-beater clones?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    Iraq war: it's time for regime change...
    ... go now, Tony, while you can still go with dignity.
    [update 18 months after this .sig was written: it's still relevant]

  7. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, JBB

    (') said:


    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks for the suggestion, guys, but no, I definitely don't want SPDs
    again.


    Me I prefer Time Atacs; I know they are a bit heavy but they're so
    much easier to find with your foot; zero maintenance ( well so far
    after 18months) and cope well with the mud etc. if I nede to lose a
    few grams I could lways drink less beer....

    H'mmm... this morning as work displacement activity I decided to debug
    the problem. I completely disassembled the SPD mechanism in one of the
    pedals to see how it was supposed to work and what was going wrong
    (incredibly fiddly to get the bugger back together!).

    What's happening is in two parts. First, of course, crud isn't helping,
    but second the tread on my shoes is binding on the shoulders of the
    pedal platform and inhibiting both engagement and exit. This is worse
    on the Scott-branded SPD clones (actually WPD, I think) which I've got
    on the Jekyll than on the Cannondale CODA ones that I've got on the
    Mantra, and it's worse with my SIDI winter boots than with my
    Specialized summer shoes. Naturally I was wearing the SIDIs and riding
    the Jekyll yesterday. That definitely puts egg-beaters and ATACs up to
    the top of the list, since the mechanism has better vertical clearance
    above the spindle particularly at the shoulders.

    Or alternatively I could carve away at the tread on my shoes.

    Anyone tried the Look egg-beater clones?

    I use Shimano as both SPD and shoe vendor so have no interoperability
    issues ;-)

  8. Andy [email hidden] opined the following...

    Quoted message said:


    "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    <big snip>

    I use Shimano 959's on a couple of bikes and they're great. Shed mud well,
    a bit of float and easy engage/release.

    Have a pair of those on my "proper" road bike. New 525s (?)[1] on the
    other two.

    Always liked the look of Egg beaters, but can't afford to replace the
    pedals on three bikes.

    Jon

    [1] Can't actually remember if this is the right code. They are the
    bottom of the range mud shedders.

  9. Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    * Time ATAC. Chunky, ugly, and (except the carbon ones) heavy. They're
    going to get beaten up and tatty looking in no time. But allegedly
    good at clearing mud.

    They're surprisingly durable; I've had a pair of metal-bodied ATACs
    for nearly 3 years, and they're still in pretty good shape. Apart from
    the bits where shoeplates are likely to make contact, the black paint
    job is virtually intact. Getting in and out is a doddle, and they're
    excellent at clearing mud. Cleats are very simple in concept and last
    for ages. Only downside - some of the high-end models are designed for
    allen bolt fitting only, so can't be fitted/removed with a pedal
    spanner; this can make removal difficult if pedals have been on the
    bike a while.

    David E. Belcher

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